Hillary can't be trusted

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rkymtnman

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rkymtnman said:
good riddance!! another faux university where you get thousands in debt and a worthless degree. but you do get to keep your laptop when you graduate!!!

sounds like Trump U actually.
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sounds like UCLA to me unless I'm mistaken & the tens of thousands who got degrees in lesbian dance theory are now CEO :lol:
 
Flaming Pie

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And that is why the African American vote for TRUMP! will not exceed 3%? Or is it because (as your butt buddies will explain on Breitbart)black people have lower IQs than white people so they vote against their interests? Or is it rigged? "You tell me".
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He is rising with black americans. They have noticed there is a problem but the democrats have them under the new jim crow.

It most definitely is rigged against black people.
 
Flaming Pie

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Poverty and Schools

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/01/20/how-appalling-are-conditions-in-detroit-public-schools-this-appalling/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/ct-youth-unemployment-urban-league-0126-biz-20160124-story.html


http://www.chicagotribune.com/ct-brown-v-board-anniversary-schools-resegregating-20160517-story.html
The number of high-poverty schools that serve primarily black and brown students more than doubled between 2001 and 2014, the GAO found. The proportion of such schools -- where more than 75 percent of children receive free or reduced-price lunch, and more than 75 percent are black or Hispanic -- climbed from 9 percent to 16 percent during the same period.

In 1972, just 25 percent of black students in the South attended the most segregated schools, in which more than 90 percent of students were minorities, according to a 2014 ProPublica investigation. But in districts that emerged from court oversight between 1990 and 2011, more than half of students now attend such segregated schools, ProPublica found.
 
Flaming Pie

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http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/300432/party-civil-rights-kevin-d-williamson

This magazine has long specialized in debunking pernicious political myths, and Jonah Goldberg has now provided an illuminating catalogue of tyrannical clichés, but worse than the myth and the cliché is the outright lie, the utter fabrication with malice aforethought, and my nominee for the worst of them is the popular but indefensible belief that the two major U.S. political parties somehow “switched places” vis-à-vis protecting the rights of black Americans, a development believed to be roughly concurrent with the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the rise of Richard Nixon. That Republicans have let Democrats get away with this mountebankery is a symptom of their political fecklessness, and in letting them get away with it the GOP has allowed itself to be cut off rhetorically from a pantheon of Republican political heroes, from Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass to Susan B. Anthony, who represent an expression of conservative ideals as true and relevant today as it was in the 19th century. Perhaps even worse, the Democrats have been allowed to rhetorically bury their Bull Connors, their longstanding affiliation with the Ku Klux Klan, and their pitiless opposition to practically every major piece of civil-rights legislation for a century. Republicans may not be able to make significant inroads among black voters in the coming elections, but they would do well to demolish this myth nonetheless.
 
Unclebaldrick

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Flaming Pie said:
He is rising with black americans. They have noticed there is a problem but the democrats have them under the new jim crow.

It most definitely is rigged against black people.
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How patronizing. It is pretty easy to "rise" when you start out at zero. I was bring generous, he isn't even at 3% yet.

You missed your time Pie, you would have been a killer nazi.
 
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UncleBuck

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Flaming Pie said:
Republican political heroes, from Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass to Susan B. Anthony, who represent an expression of conservative ideals
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none of them were conservatives. they were liberals.

do you really buy into propaganda this easily?

lincoln did not conserve slavery. he liberated slaves.

frederick douglass was an abolitionist. the exact opposite of a conservative.

susan b anthony certainly did not conserve the ban on suffrage, she was a liberal too.

you really are fucking stupid. sorry, no way to sugarcoat that one. no need to mention your cum guzzling or your welfare or your hypocrisy. you are just fucking stupid.
 
Fogdog

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I have no idea what you point is.

Trump's argument goes something like: the blacks have been voting for democrats but are still in poverty, why not try something different and vote for me? Well, over the past 20 years, we've had 12 years of Democratic presidents and 8 years of Republican President. That's not exactly an overwhelming argument for Trump.

And then, over the past 20 years, we've seen Republican controlled US congress for most of those years. Also, if you overlay Buck's map with the map of states with high levels of poverty, most of those states with high levels with black poverty are Republican and voting for Trump. What in hell is Trump's argument then? Yes, black people are at higher levels of poverty and most of them live in republican-controlled states and the Republicans have controlled the US congress most of that time too. So, yeah, let's vote those republicans out of office. What have we got to lose?
 
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Fogdog

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Flaming Pie said:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/300432/party-civil-rights-kevin-d-williamson

This magazine has long specialized in debunking pernicious political myths, and Jonah Goldberg has now provided an illuminating catalogue of tyrannical clichés, but worse than the myth and the cliché is the outright lie, the utter fabrication with malice aforethought, and my nominee for the worst of them is the popular but indefensible belief that the two major U.S. political parties somehow “switched places” vis-à-vis protecting the rights of black Americans, a development believed to be roughly concurrent with the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the rise of Richard Nixon. That Republicans have let Democrats get away with this mountebankery is a symptom of their political fecklessness, and in letting them get away with it the GOP has allowed itself to be cut off rhetorically from a pantheon of Republican political heroes, from Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass to Susan B. Anthony, who represent an expression of conservative ideals as true and relevant today as it was in the 19th century. Perhaps even worse, the Democrats have been allowed to rhetorically bury their Bull Connors, their longstanding affiliation with the Ku Klux Klan, and their pitiless opposition to practically every major piece of civil-rights legislation for a century. Republicans may not be able to make significant inroads among black voters in the coming elections, but they would do well to demolish this myth nonetheless.
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Your mind has rotted away. Racist Solid South Democrats switched over to Republican party beginning after the 1965 voting rights act was passed. By the end of the 80's the Solid South has been voting solidly Republican. Ever since then, the Republican party has been chipping away at that act until it's almost been completely overturned. Recent court action reversed that trend for now. Why is it that Republicans hate true democracy?
 
Fogdog

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From: https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/2yt9rj/acknowledging_the_existence_of_the_southern/

Racism is just like feces. It is very real, and at some point we do need to talk about it.

Here's a relevent interview from Republican political consultant Lee Atwater:

Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry S. Dent, Sr. and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn't have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he's campaigned on since 1964 and that's fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster.

Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger".

Lamis, Alexander P. et al. (1990) The Two Party South. New York: Oxford University Press.

It seems prettly clear that Atwater is acnowledging the existance of the southern strategy here.

When the dixiecrats split from the democratic party due to their civil rights platform (including support for the african-american civil rights movement), the strategy was implemented by Nixon and Goldwater to great success, winning over previously blue states like Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, and Tennessee, etc.

Opposition to things like the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Voting Rights Act of 1965, and desegregation contributed to the electoral realignment of some Southern states to the Republican Party, but at the expense of losing more than 90 percent of black voters to the Democratic Party. As the twentieth century came to a close, the Republican Party began attempting to appeal to black voters again, though with little success.

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/19/us/gop-tries-hard-to-win-black-votes-but-recent-history-works-against-it.html

Here's a few links to relevant /r/askhistorians posts on the changing demographics of the south, and the southern strategy
 
Flaming Pie

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When the dixiecrats split from the democratic party due to their civil rights platform (including support for the african-american civil rights movement),

^blatantly false.
 
Unclebaldrick

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Flaming Pie said:
When the dixiecrats split from the democratic party due to their civil rights platform (including support for the african-american civil rights movement),

^blatantly false.
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No, you are right. They split over state's rights. Specifically, the right of a state to discriminate against blacks.
 
Flaming Pie

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Fogdog said:
I have no idea what you point is.

Trump's argument goes something like: the blacks have been voting for democrats but are still in poverty, why not try something different and vote for me? Well, over the past 20 years, we've had 12 years of Democratic presidents and 8 years of Republican President. That's not exactly an overwhelming argument for Trump.

And then, over the past 20 years, we've seen Republican controlled US congress for most of those years. Also, if you overlay Buck's map with the map of states with high levels of poverty, most of those states with high levels with black poverty are Republican and voting for Trump. What in hell is Trump's argument then? Yes, black people are at higher levels of poverty and most of them live in republican-controlled states and the Republicans have controlled the US congress most of that time too. So, yeah, let's vote those republicans out of office. What have we got to lose?
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The worst cities in our nation have been run by democrats for 50+ years and the blacks have been disproportionately affected by liberal policies. Chicago, milwaukie, and detroit are liberal wastelands. Unemployment, single mothers, poverty, and death all up for black people under democrat policies.
 
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