hold it in ???

OddBall1st

OddBall1st

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TripleMindedGee5150 said:
That's called 'ghosting' also were you in the car hot boxing? The smell comes from hot boxing. Personally I love smelling like unsmoked buds , but not smoked up ass burnt smoke. Very unattractive.
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I never got in cars. Smell all day if you do. We never smoked in our jamming rooms after school either. I like to smoke with the least attraction and not smell like it. There were of course times when a garage session would get outta hand smoking. I still smoke out of the same brass chamber pipe I bought in the 70`s. My wife like it rolled so I do that too, But I favor my Pipe.
 
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jtprin

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OddBall1st said:
I usually, like many others, smoke about six cigarettes an hour after smoking weed. That unnecessary damage thing don`t quite pan out.

Back in high school, I would draw a hit, hold it as long as I could, go back in and not smell like weed. Those that sat in the cars smoking away ...well...

Can you put dat vaaaaaape in your pocket ?
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Nope, don't need to either.
 
cannabineer

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JackTheBongRipper

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Don't take stuff you read on the internet at face value, even what I say. Do what I did, take college courses in psycho-pharmacology, neurotransmitter function, and a class that was actually called "drugs and behavior". Don't believe anyone that thinks an internet infographic actually has, you know, info.
 
JackTheBongRipper

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jtprin said:
http://www.theweedblog.com/smoking-marijuana-vs-vaporizing-marijuana-infographic/ From infographic: Holding in smoke doesn't increase the effects felt and just allows more tar and carcinogens to be absorbed. It also creates PAH's (which cause cancer, brain disease, neurotransmitter dysfunction) and more than 100 other toxic chemicals. All you're doing is becoming more light headed from oxygen deprivation.
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Sorry to pick on you dude, but...

Yeah, so you get a free pass from the tar, carcinogens, cancer, brain disease, and neurotransmitter dysfunction because you exhale the "poisonous smoke" right away, as opposed to holding it in a few more seconds?

 
JackTheBongRipper

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Flaming Pie said:
I think what he was saying is you don't get morenfrom holding it in.
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So just a little cancer, brain disease, and neurotransmitter dysfunction is OK then? Gotcha. I think he was saying that you don't get most of that if you exhale right away, but then take more hits... Flaming Pie, I'm a lurker, I've read many of your posts, you're not that stupid.

Either the smoke is poisonous or it isn't. Letting it out right away might save your lungs, but not if you have to take several more baby hits to get the same effect as holding it in a while longer. Your lungs absorb whatever is put in them at the same rate, THC isn't magically absorbed faster than the poison. When you burn it, it is a certain parts per million of THC combined with the smoke, your lungs absorb the bad stuff and THC at the same rate.

God damn where is the physiologist?
 
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jtprin

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JackTheBongRipper said:
So just a little cancer, brain disease, and neurotransmitter dysfunction is OK then? Gotcha. I think he was saying that you don't get most of that if you exhale right away, but then take more hits... Flaming Pie, I'm a lurker, I've read many of your posts, you're not that stupid.

Either the smoke is poisonous or it isn't. Letting it out right away might save your lungs, but not if you have to take several more baby hits to get the same effect as holding it in a while longer. Your lungs absorb whatever is put in them at the same rate, THC isn't magically absorbed faster than the poison. When you burn it, it is a certain parts per million of THC combined with the smoke, your lungs absorb the bad stuff and THC at the same rate.

God damn where is the physiologist?
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Dude, when did I ever say you got a free pass? I said holding it in longer exposes you to even MORE of those carcinogens. I vape though broski.
 
OddBall1st

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jtprin said:
Dude, when did I ever say you got a free pass? I said holding it in longer exposes you to even MORE of those carcinogens. I vape though broski.
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So where`s my cancer after smoking and holding, combined with cigarettes for 40 years ? I wanna meet it. You and the vegans are so afraid of dying. Guess what, it`s gonna happen !i
 
Flaming Pie

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Ok I was high last night and read it wrong.

From my understanding of smoking, the smoke touches the cells to exchange molecules (?). So the smoke is already touching the inside of your lungs.

Aveolas? bracts? Google check?
 
Flaming Pie

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tobacco leaves covered in classic white paper. But when it burns, it releases a dangerous cocktail of about 4,000 chemicals including:
  • more than 70 cancer-causing chemicals
  • hundreds of other poisons.
  • nicotine, a highly addictive drug, and many additives designed to make cigarettes taste nicer and keep smokers hooked.

At least weed doesnt contain formaldyhyde.

Biology classes aren't even allowed to use that to preserve the disection specimens any more because the fumes cause cancer.
 
JackTheBongRipper

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OddBall1st said:
So where`s my cancer after smoking and holding, combined with cigarettes for 40 years ? I wanna meet it. You and the vegans are so afraid of dying. Guess what, it`s gonna happen !i
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No shit. Why is it that chain smokers that eat crap live to 105, while joggers die of heart attacks at 53? Genetics. That's all. You can try to change your fate, but you really have very little power over it. Go ahead and eat vegan, or do whatever, but ultimately if your genes are against you then you can't do a whole lot to change your life span.
 
cannabineer

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Flaming Pie said:
tobacco leaves covered in classic white paper. But when it burns, it releases a dangerous cocktail of about 4,000 chemicals including:
  • more than 70 cancer-causing chemicals
  • hundreds of other poisons.
  • nicotine, a highly addictive drug, and many additives designed to make cigarettes taste nicer and keep smokers hooked.

At least weed doesnt contain formaldyhyde.

Biology classes aren't even allowed to use that to preserve the disection specimens any more because the fumes cause cancer.
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Formaldehyde is a product of the sort of incomplete smoldering combustion that powers either a nic-stick or a doob.

Cannabinoids are hydrophobic: they don't like water which is most of us and way most of our lung linings. You gotta hold a cannabinoid hit to get best absorption. I have always held hits long and hard.* I figure the toxins absorb faster than the goods, and a long-held hit might actually (will probably) improve the good/bad ratio. So not only am I serving efficiency with a long-held hit, but I flatly reject the idea that quickie hits are less relatively toxic. As I intimated ... "herbin' legend".


*exception: a not-so-good friend's less-good weed bwahahaa
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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Well THC actually helps prohibit the uptake of cancer causing agents whereas nicotine promotes the uptake of carcinogens.

Been looking up scientific articles. Interesting stuff.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Flaming Pie said:
Well THC actually helps prohibit the uptake of cancer causing agents whereas nicotine promotes the uptake of carcinogens.

Been looking up scientific articles. Interesting stuff.
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I don't think it affects uptake. It could conceivably and credibly inhibit the carcinogenic action of the usual suspects. Jmo.
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/

In conclusion, while both tobacco and cannabis smoke have similar properties chemically, their pharmacological activities differ greatly. Components of cannabis smoke minimize some carcinogenic pathways whereas tobacco smoke enhances some. Both types of smoke contain carcinogens and particulate matter that promotes inflammatory immune responses that may enhance the carcinogenic effects of the smoke. However, cannabis typically down-regulates immunologically-generated free radical production by promoting a Th2 immune cytokine profile. Furthermore, THC inhibits the enzyme necessary to activate some of the carcinogens found in smoke. In contrast, tobacco smoke increases the likelihood of carcinogenesis by overcoming normal cellular checkpoint protective mechanisms through the activity of respiratory epithelial cell nicotine receptors. Cannabinoids receptors have not been reported in respiratory epithelial cells (in skin they prevent cancer), and hence the DNA damage checkpoint mechanism should remain intact after prolonged cannabis exposure. Furthermore, nicotine promotes tumor angiogenesis whereas cannabis inhibits it. It is possible that as the cannabis-consuming population ages, the long-term consequences of smoking cannabis may become more similar to what is observed with tobacco. However, current knowledge does not suggest that cannabis smoke will have a carcinogenic potential comparable to that resulting from exposure to tobacco smoke.
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