Homosexuality a choice??

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Kaendar

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There is much debate about this subject. Some people think gay people are born like that, and others believe its a choice. For the people like me that believe its a choice, we often get the "why would I want to be gay and have to suffer? You think I like dealing with this?" Well, I wouldnt think so but you obviously do. I think homosexuality is just another way your brain subconsciously deals with some sort of conflict you have emotionally. Some people bite their nails, some people like bondage and dominatrix, some people are swingers, some people drink themselves to death, and others turn to hardcore drugs. I dont think people actually wake up and say "hey, I think I wanna be gay!". Of course not. Its not a conscious decision but I dont think people were born that way.
 
cannabineer

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Do you have any science to back that? Whenever I see "gay is a choice" i see it inextricably bundled with "gay is a sin". I reject the doctrinal argument. cn
 
Kaendar

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cannabineer said:
Do you have any science to back that? Whenever I see "gay is a choice" i see it inextricably bundled with "gay is a sin". I reject the doctrinal argument. cn
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Thats why I purposely left out any religious anything in the post lol.. that way none of you can use that as an argument. I think, on a scientific level, that homosexuality is sort of an emotional disorder.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Kaendar said:
Thats why I purposely left out any religious anything in the post lol.. that way none of you can use that as an argument. I think, on a scientific level, that homosexuality is sort of an emotional disorder.
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Opinion isn't science. Unless you can produce (and not from a source contaminated by religious or political agenda) I'll say No. cn
 
UncleBuck

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cannabineer said:
Opinion isn't science. Unless you can produce (and not from a source contaminated by religious or political agenda) I'll say No. cn
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the APA has not classified it as a disorder going on thirty plus years now.

their decision to do so was based on...wait for it...science.

but this thread promises to deliver on exposing kaendar's bigotry, so i'll hang around.
 
Kaendar

Kaendar

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cannabineer said:
Opinion isn't science. Unless you can produce (and not from a source contaminated by religious or political agenda) I'll say No. cn
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I came prepared this time 'neer..


"There is substantial evidence based on years of clinical experience that homosexuality is a developmental disorder.Every child has a healthy need to identify positively with the parent of the same sex, have same-sex friendships, a positive body image and a confident sexual identity. Homosexual feelings can occur when these needs are not met appropriately.The adolescent's unmet needs become entangled with emerging sexual feelings and produce same-sex attraction.Therapy consists in helping male clients to understand the emotional causes of their attraction and to strengthen their masculine identity. It has been our clinical experience that as these men become more conformable and confident with their manhood, same-sex attractions resolve or decrease significantly in many patients." - Richard P Fitzgibbons, MD

"Homosexuality is neither innate and unchangeable nor a 'life-style choice' and changeable at will. The one with homosexual feelings, desires, and behavior is struggling as a result of a developmental problem. This developmental disorder is most often a deeply embedded condition which normally starts in early childhood long before the development of moral and self-awareness and is genuinely experienced by the individual as though it was never absent in one form or another."


2005 - David N. Glesne, DMin


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"The stages of psycho-social development toward adult heterosexuality are clearly demarcated, known and understood by developmental psychologists, and are so obviously learned that heterosexuality is clearly not genetically mandated. Surveys of adult homosexuals show conspicuous deficits in several of these developmental stages - showing that homosexuality is cultural and environmental rather than genetic."

- Neil E. Whitehead, PhD
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mindphuk

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Why does it matter whether it is a choice or not? Do you remember choosing between liking girls and boys when you hit puberty? If you didn't choose, why do you supposed people that have different attractions actually made a conscious choice versus felt something inherent like you did? I think the only people that try to claim being gay is a choice are people looking for a reason to discriminate against them.
 
UncleBuck

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Kaendar said:
Thats why I purposely left out any religious anything in the post lol..
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Kaendar said:
... Richard P Fitzgibbons, MD
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LOL!

who is richard fitzgibbons?

[h=1]A Letter to the Catholic Bishops[/h][h=2]Richard P. Fitzgibbons, M.D.[/h]


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This open letter describes in clear terms the real problem facing the Roman Catholic Church. It is included here because of its sympathy towards men and women struggling with homosexuality while remaining thoroughly within Christian moral tradition.

May 29, 2002

Your Excellencies:

As a Catholic psychiatrist and psychologist...​
 
Chief Walkin Eagle

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Homosexuality happens with many species of wild animals as well, do they have emotional disorders? I think that you are convinced that it is not natural and I would expect that the bible has something to do with your reasoning as well. I suggest you look for truth everywhere and not just the bible, the bible does have literal and metaphorical truth in it but theres also a lot of corrupted words. Theres slivers of truth in almost every religion, take what you can from each.
Some Native American tribes consider homosexuals to be blessed with a male and female soul and they look forward to having a gay baby.
 
Kaendar

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BUENOS AIRES, May 1, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The eminent Spanish psychiatrist Enrique Rojas gave a speech yesterday in Buenos Aires declaring that homosexuality is "a clinical process that has an etiology, pathogeny, treatment, and cure".

Speaking at the Buenos Aires International Book Fair about his book"Goodbye, Depression", Rojas characterized homosexual orientation as a "disorder" rather than an illness, and stated his opinion that 95% of cases are caused by environmental factors, according to the Spanish news service Terra.

The disorder, according to Rojas, is the result of an absent father, overweening mother, or sexual abuse in childhood.

Rojas blasted the homosexual movement for promoting the development of homosexual tendencies in young people, and particularly condemned the practice of allowing homosexual couples to adopt children.

The child is deprived of a right to grow up "in a normal environment, heterosexual, which is the standard" he said. "Heterosexuality is what is normal, the natural condition of human bengs."

According to studies from the United States, Canada, and New Zealand, there is a 70-80 percent chance that a child adopted by homosexuals will develop the same tendencies, Rojas said.
 
Kaendar

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I believe that the atheistic worldview has no moral foundation upon which to make distinctions between right and wrong. The only way atheists can make a moral judgment is if they borrow from the Christian worldview, which adheres to moral absolutes. Still, for the purpose of this post, let's assume that it's possible for atheists to remain consistent in their worldview.

Atheists rely on a naturalistic, pragmatic morality that considers "right" to be that which is beneficial for humanity as a whole. Likewise, that which is detrimental to humanity is deemed "wrong". For example, an atheist may judge murder to be wrong on the basis that if everyone ran around killing each other, the human race would become extinct. The atheist can comfortably conclude, then, that it is good not to murder his fellow human being.

So what about the issue of homosexuality? Why do so many atheists seem to be such ​
strong supporters
of gay rights? I would think that the atheist, even from a naturalistic perspective, has no choice but to conclude that homosexuality is morally wrong. The reason is simple: If everyone were gay, procreation would cease, thereby dooming the human race to extinction.​
 
UncleBuck

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Kaendar said:
Thats why I purposely left out any religious anything in the post lol..
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Kaendar said:
...Enrique Rojas...
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who is enrique rojas?

[h=2]Work[/h]Rojas is the author of several self-help books, essays, newspaper articles and other texts. Their essays address specific issues related to psychiatry, which are analyzed from a Catholic point of view, linked to his moral and transcendence of human beings.
 
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