Homosexuality a choice??

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cannabineer

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Kaendar, you disregarded my request. UB has neatly filleted two of your three "scientists", and the third appears to be fifth-rank. Serious cherrypicking going on here. And the above is from LifeSite, exactly the sort of "site with agenda" i asked not be invoked.

Also , finding "a scientist" who endorses a wild claim does not mean "science" does. The Tobacco and Creation institutes rely on that sort of jesuitry. cn
 
UncleBuck

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Kaendar said:
UncleBuck, I hope you know that all those quotes were taken off of a Gay rights website.
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kaendar, i hope you know that those quotes came from religious quacks who the APA would kick out for their views if they did not cloak themselves in religion.
 
cannabineer

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Kaendar said:
I believe that the atheistic worldview has no moral foundation upon which to make distinctions between right and wrong. The only way atheists can make a moral judgment is if they borrow from the Christian worldview, which adheres to moral absolutes. Still, for the purpose of this post, let's assume that it's possible for atheists to remain consistent in their worldview.​
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This is blatant bigotry. Of course atheists are just as moral and circumspect as any other people. You're swallowing Pentecostal poison here.
Atheists rely on a naturalistic, pragmatic morality that considers "right" to be that which is beneficial for humanity as a whole. Likewise, that which is detrimental to humanity is deemed "wrong". For example, an atheist may judge murder to be wrong on the basis that if everyone ran around killing each other, the human race would become extinct. The atheist can comfortably conclude, then, that it is good not to murder his fellow human being.
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Do you have any sound support for this somewhat freewheeling opinion? It sounds like Evangelical hatespeech slightly repackaged.
So what about the issue of homosexuality? Why do so many atheists seem to be such
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of gay rights? I would think that the atheist, even from a naturalistic perspective, has no choice but to conclude that homosexuality is morally wrong. The reason is simple: If everyone were gay, procreation would cease, thereby dooming the human race to extinction.​
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No words. Pure facepalm. This is obviously c&p from another they're-unclean! hatesite. cn
 
Kaendar

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cannabineer said:
This is blatant bigotry. Of course atheists are just as moral and circumspect as any other people. You're swallowing Pentecostal poison here.

Do you have any sound support for this somewhat freewheeling opinion? It sounds like Evangelical hatespeech slightly repackaged.

No words. Pure facepalm. This is obviously c&p from another they're-unclean! hatesite. cn
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That was on an atheist website, written by an atheist, for atheists.
 
Hepheastus420

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Kaendar said:
I believe that the atheistic worldview has no moral foundation upon which to make distinctions between right and wrong. The only way atheists can make a moral judgment is if they borrow from the Christian worldview, which adheres to moral absolutes. Still, for the purpose of this post, let's assume that it's possible for atheists to remain consistent in their worldview.

Atheists rely on a naturalistic, pragmatic morality that considers "right" to be that which is beneficial for humanity as a whole. Likewise, that which is detrimental to humanity is deemed "wrong". For example, an atheist may judge murder to be wrong on the basis that if everyone ran around killing each other, the human race would become extinct. The atheist can comfortably conclude, then, that it is good not to murder his fellow human being.

So what about the issue of homosexuality? Why do so many atheists seem to be such ​
strong supporters
of gay rights? I would think that the atheist, even from a naturalistic perspective, has no choice but to conclude that homosexuality is morally wrong. The reason is simple: If everyone were gay, procreation would cease, thereby dooming the human race to extinction.​
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Morals come from lessons learned.

Imagine there were no morals.
There's a mother and she has a kid. She spends enough time with the kid that she begins to love the child. One day, a big mean guy comes and kills the baby. The mother is now hurt and is feeling depressed. She has now learned that it is wrong to kill babies.. Moral learned.
 
mindphuk

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Kaendar said:
I believe that the atheistic worldview has no moral foundation upon which to make distinctions between right and wrong. ​
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Identifying someone as an atheist says absolutely nothing about their moral outlook. An atheist is a negative attribute, it tells you about one thing they do NOT believe and is limited to this one issue. Knowing someone is an atheist tells you nothing about what they do believe and therefore you can make absolutely no conclusions about their morality.
The only way atheists can make a moral judgment is if they borrow from the Christian worldview, which adheres to moral absolutes.
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The only way a Christian can make a moral judgment is if they borrow from the Jewish worldview which can be relative depending on the situation.
Still, for the purpose of this post, let's assume that it's possible for atheists to remain consistent in their worldview.
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How magnanimous of you...:roll:
Atheists rely on a naturalistic, pragmatic morality that considers "right" to be that which is beneficial for humanity as a whole.
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Pragmatism is not atheism.
Likewise, that which is detrimental to humanity is deemed "wrong". For example, an atheist may judge murder to be wrong on the basis that if everyone ran around killing each other, the human race would become extinct. The atheist can comfortably conclude, then, that it is good not to murder his fellow human being.
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Yet a Christian would come to a different conclusion?
So what about the issue of homosexuality? Why do so many atheists seem to be such
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strong supporters
of gay rights? I would think that the atheist, even from a naturalistic perspective, has no choice but to conclude that homosexuality is morally wrong. The reason is simple: If everyone were gay, procreation would cease, thereby dooming the human race to extinction.​
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So an "atheist" must base their morals on whether or not how behavior X must affect us if EVERYONE were that way? I guess by your logic, celibacy is morally wrong, because if EVERYONE did it we wouldn't procreate. Let's get rid of priests and monks, they are immoral!!!

Not only do you have a poor grasp of logic, your attempt to demonstrate homosexuality as an absolute moral wrong is letting your religious bigotry shine through.
 
Shannon Alexander

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I don't want to derail this convo cause this really isn't the place, but I've tried to write a reply to this thread at least 10 times now and it always ends up focusing on the wrong aspect of the original post...

What's your beef with bondage..?


I'm sorry...
 
cannabineer

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Shannon Alexander said:
I don't want to derail this convo cause this really isn't the place, but I've tried to write a reply to this thread at least 10 times now and it always ends up focusing on the wrong aspect of the original post...

What's your beef with bondage..?


I'm sorry...
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Mine is Kobe. Beef, with bondage. Yum. cn
 
Kaendar

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From a study at the University at Buffalo:


There have been numerous theories identifying homosexuality asabnormal. Some researchers (eg: Bieber, 1976) have identified abnormal patterns of upbringing and relationships that to lead to homosexuality. Homosexuality is thus said to bethe result of disturbed early experiences, including poor familylife (eg: for men - extremely poor father-son relationships and anoverly involved mother) and poor relationships with same-sex peers. Psychoanalytic theorists suggest that these experiences caused thehomosexual to be afraid of heterosexuality, so they becomehomosexual as a means of denying their fear of same-sex peers.
 
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