Homosexuality a choice??

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DelSlow

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Kaendar said:
You have a fucking bad habit of taking something someone says, twisting it and blowing it up to somehow support your argument. You know im not saying everybody has disorders.. good job making yourself look like a douche. I think you are the one that hates gays, thats why your trying so hard to attack me because im saying they dont make a conscious choice to be gay..
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Dude, you never told us if you banged your baby momma's momma. You know, suegra :hump:
 
Kaendar

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Padawanbater2 said:
I'd appreciate it if you just tell me directly, I don't really have the time to read 23 pages right now. Just seems easier, for times' sake.
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I dont have time to provide all the links for you again.. but i guess a short summary would be that homosexual feelings is an anomaly in sexual development that can be brought on by environmental factors during childhood. Its not a conscious choice, but its not permanently in you either. Unless you had a really fucked up childhood
 
Cut.Throat.

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Kaendar said:
I dont have time to provide all the links for you again.. but i guess a short summary would be that homosexual feelings is an anomaly in sexual development that can be brought on by environmental factors during childhood. Its not a conscious choice, but its not permanently in you either. Unless you had a really fucked up childhood
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Pray the gay away? You disgust me.
 
Padawanbater2

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Kaendar said:
I dont have time to provide all the links for you again.. but i guess a short summary would be that homosexual feelings is an anomaly in sexual development that can be brought on by environmental factors during childhood. Its not a conscious choice, but its not permanently in you either. Unless you had a really fucked up childhood
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Psychology was one of the first disciplines to study homosexuality as a discrete phenomenon. Prior to and throughout most of the 20th century, common standard psychology viewed homosexuality in terms of pathological models as a mental illness. That classification began to be subjected to critical scrutiny in the research, which consistently failed to produce any empirical or scientific basis for regarding homosexuality as a disorder or abnormality. As a result of such accumulated research, professionals in medicine, mental health, and the behavioral and social sciences, opposing the classification of homosexuality as a mental disorder, claimed the conclusion that it was inaccurate, and that the DSM classification reflected untested assumptions that were based on once-prevalent social norms and clinical impressions from unrepresentative samples which consisted of patients seeking therapy and individuals whose conduct brought them into the criminal justice system.[SUP][1]
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Since the 1970s, the consensus of the behavioral and social sciences and the health and mental health professions globally is that homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexual orientation, while there remain those who maintain that it is a disorder.[SUP][2][/SUP] In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder. The American Psychological Association Council of Representatives followed in 1975.[SUP][3][/SUP] Thereafter other major mental health organizations followed and it was finally declassified by the World Health Organization in 1990. Consequently, while some still believe homosexuality is a mental disorder, the current research and clinical literature demonstrate that same-sex sexual and romantic attractions, feelings, and behaviors are normal and positive variations of human sexuality, reflecting the official positions of the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_psychology
 
Kaendar

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Padawanbater2 said:
Psychology was one of the first disciplines to study homosexuality as a discrete phenomenon. Prior to and throughout most of the 20th century, common standard psychology viewed homosexuality in terms of pathological models as a mental illness. That classification began to be subjected to critical scrutiny in the research, which consistently failed to produce any empirical or scientific basis for regarding homosexuality as a disorder or abnormality. As a result of such accumulated research, professionals in medicine, mental health, and the behavioral and social sciences, opposing the classification of homosexuality as a mental disorder, claimed the conclusion that it was inaccurate, and that the DSM classification reflected untested assumptions that were based on once-prevalent social norms and clinical impressions from unrepresentative samples which consisted of patients seeking therapy and individuals whose conduct brought them into the criminal justice system.[SUP][1]
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Since the 1970s, the consensus of the behavioral and social sciences and the health and mental health professions globally is that homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexual orientation, while there remain those who maintain that it is a disorder.[SUP][2][/SUP] In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder. The American Psychological Association Council of Representatives followed in 1975.[SUP][3][/SUP] Thereafter other major mental health organizations followed and it was finally declassified by the World Health Organization in 1990. Consequently, while some still believe homosexuality is a mental disorder, the current research and clinical literature demonstrate that same-sex sexual and romantic attractions, feelings, and behaviors are normal and positive variations of human sexuality, reflecting the official positions of the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_psychology
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The APA has no credibility man, they can be bought out. Thats why after 3 years of classifying homosexuality as a disorder, politics swooped in and changed that shit.
 
Padawanbater2

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Kaendar said:
The APA has no credibility man, they can be bought out. Thats why after 3 years of classifying homosexuality as a disorder, politics swooped in and changed that shit.
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What about WHO? Anyone who disagrees with you has no credibility or is bought..

Kaendar, where is your evidence for this? Are you going to adopt CWE's playbook and make unsubstantiated claims as if they were fact without providing any proof?

You have a choice right now, you can look at the direct evidence I just provided you with and acknowledge and accept it, it is the truth. At this time, it doesn't matter what you believe is the truth or what you want to be the truth. This IS the truth. Make the choice to be a better person, to be intellectually honest with yourself. I can guarantee you it will be a sign of strength and you will feel better knowing you're not lying to yourself. You become a stronger person acknowledging your mistakes, conversely the longer you go holding on to unfounded beliefs the less of the truth you ever get to see.

Make the right choice, man...
 
BustinScales510

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Kaendar said:
I dont have time to provide all the links for you again.. but i guess a short summary would be that homosexual feelings is an anomaly in sexual development that can be brought on by environmental factors during childhood. Its not a conscious choice, but its not permanently in you either. Unless you had a really fucked up childhood
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That still doesnt explain gay people that came from supportive families that had otherwise unremarkable childhoods. If everyone that was gay fit the template that you are talking about with the trauma and all that then I could understand how you could arrive at that conclusion. But it seems you dont want to factor in any sort of deviations from your very unsupported theory. Especially where you say the more traumatic the childhood..the longer youre gay. I know it seems like everyone piled on you but you have to think of how wacky that sounds.
 
Kaendar

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That still doesnt explain gay people that came from supportive families that had otherwise unremarkable childhoods. If everyone that was gay fit the template that you are talking about with the trauma and all that then I could understand how you could arrive at that conclusion. But it seems you dont want to factor in any sort of deviations from your very unsupported theory. Especially where you say the more traumatic the childhood..the longer youre gay. I know it seems like everyone piled on you but you have to think of how wacky that sounds.
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The environmental factors didnt have to be negative necessarily. Its been shown that boys that have over involved mothers come out more feminine.
 
BustinScales510

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It has been shown? I doubt that. Youre still avoiding the question though of gay people that had normal childhoods, how do you account for that?
 
Kaendar

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Padawanbater2 said:
..dude, source? Where has it been shown? When was this study conducted?
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Consequences of overbearing mothers.

  • Impeding the boy’s natural gravitation towards things that boys love to do, (i.e. rough sports and aggressive play)
  • By constantly scolding, condemning, yelling and screaming at him. This commonly used tactic erodes a boy’s self-confidence
  • By being a domineering or overbearing mother. These single moms not only bruise their son’s male ego, but they mutilate his male identity and condition him to be a cowardly passive male
  • Constantly seeing his mother crying or throwing temper tantrums. When a boy sees these seemingly harmless emotional outbursts, he becomes conditioned to respond to the issues and pressures of life in the same manner as his mom.
 
Padawanbater2

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Kaendar said:
Consequences of overbearing mothers.

  • Impeding the boy’s natural gravitation towards things that boys love to do, (i.e. rough sports and aggressive play)
  • By constantly scolding, condemning, yelling and screaming at him. This commonly used tactic erodes a boy’s self-confidence
  • By being a domineering or overbearing mother. These single moms not only bruise their son’s male ego, but they mutilate his male identity and condition him to be a cowardly passive male
  • Constantly seeing his mother crying or throwing temper tantrums. When a boy sees these seemingly harmless emotional outbursts, he becomes conditioned to respond to the issues and pressures of life in the same manner as his mom.
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Yeah, I've heard the claims, a claim isn't evidence of anything.

Where is the evidence that back the claims up?

Because check this out, it does a pretty good job at refuting all of that;

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