Hooray for Global Warming!

Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Overmonitor said:
Those of you saying there are too many of us and no more can fit...

You have never been to the country outside of the city then. In North America at least we use such a small % of the land for living space. We could fit 10x the amount of people we currently have very easily. China and India both do it. We are so spoiled crying about over this kind of stuff, IMO, when we can't even solve our most basic of problems, like homelessness or whatever.
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Just in regard to India.
They have cities ringed by slums. Outside the slums is farmland. The farmland in certain parts (the major rice producing areas) are watered by water reserves under the ground. The big problem they are having is accessing this water. Its being used up faster than it can be replaced. Farms are going broke simply because they cannot afford to access the falling water level.

The land is no use for anything else for a couple of reasons. First one is the cost for another industry in a rural area is to great. Second is the simple truth that a nation must be able to supply food for itself. Especially when that nation is poor.
 
Budley Doright

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Lucky Luke said:
Just in regard to India.
They have cities ringed by slums. Outside the slums is farmland. The farmland in certain parts (the major rice producing areas) are watered by water reserves under the ground. The big problem they are having is accessing this water. Its being used up faster than it can be replaced. Farms are going broke simply because they cannot afford to access the falling water level.

The land is no use for anything else for a couple of reasons. First one is the cost for another industry in a rural area is to great. Second is the simple truth that a nation must be able to supply food for itself. Especially when that nation is poor.
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Ahhh yes but the two new statues, at a cost of $1,000,000,000, they are building will be real cool, they can all have a shit around it ;). Just fucking insane....who hired these guys anyways :(.
 
Gquebed

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Just watched that Tom Hanks movie, Inferno.

The madman in that one wanted to cull the human herd with a biological agent, because the populaton had reached the tipping point of unsustainability.

Its not the first time i heard the same math.

I think i recall the magic number and just about 4 billion people, the the planet can sustain.

Does anybody remember Logan's Run? Hahahah
 
Bareback

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I have a friend from Mexico city and to listen to his stories of over crowding , hungry, poverty....... And I grew up under the poverty line but we had a garden, fishing, hunting. Now there are super bugs , and it's Russian roulette just to have an procedure at the hospital. I did waste water and water treatment construction for years and all the water in use is used over and over and over. Pollution sucks !!!
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Bareback said:
I have a friend from Mexico city and to listen to his stories of over crowding , hungry, poverty....... And I grew up under the poverty line but we had a garden, fishing, hunting. Now there are super bugs , and it's Russian roulette just to have an procedure at the hospital. I did waste water and water treatment construction for years and all the water in use is used over and over and over. Pollution sucks !!!
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We are a pretty smart race.
But i dont think we can actually make water can we?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Lucky Luke said:
We are a pretty smart race.
But i dont think we can actually make water can we?
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Recapturing and reusing it accomplishes the same end, and in fact I'm doing that right now; I'm reusing condensate from my air handlers to make more nutrient solution. The plants drink up, transpire it and voila! Cycle complete!
 
Bareback

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Lucky Luke said:
We are a pretty smart race.
But i dont think we can actually make water can we?
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I only worked on one desalination plant, and to tell the truth, I think properly treated sewage is better . As bad as it sounds , properly treated sewage is actually cleaner than the system we return it to.
 
Lucky Luke

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ttystikk said:
Recapturing and reusing it accomplishes the same end, and in fact I'm doing that right now; I'm reusing condensate from my air handlers to make more nutrient solution. The plants drink up, transpire it and voila! Cycle complete!
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true but we are recycling it and not making it.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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ttystikk said:
So explain what difference it makes if you don't need to keep getting more either way?
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Water is finite as i understand it and expensive. Liter of water can be more expensive than a Liter of petrol.

Humans are clever yet we cannot manufacture water.

Millions of us dont have access to water. Hell people die from not having access to clean water. Would also be a major concern for longer space journeys and settling other planets (we will do sooner or later)

Recycling waste water and de sall's is brilliant, dont get me wrong but why cannot we go the next step?

Maybe making it will end up being smaller than a recycling unit and more cost effective than recycling it..?
 
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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Lucky Luke said:
Water is finite as i understand it and expensive. Liter of water can be more expensive than a Liter of petrol.

Humans are clever yet we cannot manufacture water.

Millions of us dont have access to water. Hell people die from not having access to clean water. Would also be a major concern for longer space journeys and settling other planets (we will do sooner or later)

Recycling waste water and de sall's is brilliant, dont get me wrong but why cannot we go the next step?

Maybe making it will end up being smaller than a recycling unit and more cost effective than recycling it..?
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Dude, I'm recycling it RIGHT NOW. It's a natural byproduct of HVAC. Creating water from hydrogen n oxygen can be done, it's called a fuel cell, but you gotta get the hydrogen and that's where the cost comes from. Hydrogen comes from hydrocarbons, in this case natural gas. However, you also get co2 and cogenerated heat so there are upsides all over the place, you just gotta be able to get enough fuel cells together to generate useful power... but those are expensive and have limited availability.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Why can't we manufacture water? | HowStuffWorks
science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geophysics/manufacture-water.htm
Theoretically, this is possible, but it would be an extremely dangerous process, too. To create water, oxygen and hydrogen atoms must be present. Mixing them together doesn't help; you're still left with just separate hydrogen and oxygen atoms.
 
Budley Doright

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Bareback said:
I only worked on one desalination plant, and to tell the truth, I think properly treated sewage is better . As bad as it sounds , properly treated sewage is actually cleaner than the system we return it to.
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Well sometimes it is :(. Google walkerton, mind you that was not recycled, just .... ummm treated :(.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Lucky Luke said:
Why can't we manufacture water? | HowStuffWorks
science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geophysics/manufacture-water.htm
Theoretically, this is possible, but it would be an extremely dangerous process, too. To create water, oxygen and hydrogen atoms must be present. Mixing them together doesn't help; you're still left with just separate hydrogen and oxygen atoms.
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Pass a spark through that mixture of hydrogen n oxygen and bam! Instant water! ...vapor.

...and a free explosion, lol
 
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