Hortilux Ceramic HPS - Total trash?

growingforfun

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Honestly all the true DE cmh bulbs have been getting iffy reviews regarding one of the burners darkening which then ruins the spectrum. Honestly these 630cmh dual bulb pack alot of power. ad well as allow you to mix Kelvin bulbs. I've heard of people doing a 1000w hps then a 630cmh side ny side and getting unreal results
Can a 630cmh do a 5x5?
 

Lordhooha

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Well are you gonna put it in a 5x5 tho? I'd bet it can do a 4x4, but that extra bit of foot print makes a differance. That comes out to 25 watts/sq ft...
It’s going in part of my experiment room. With a partition it comes out to right at a 5x5. I’ll be finding out soon enough. The one I bought is capable of doing 1000 watt de cmh as well. If all goes well I’m planning on getting about 5 more.
 

ttystikk

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hmm, read this thread from beginning to end... all these "experts" weighing in with their personal opinions, lots of talk of spectrum intensity, lumens/w.... high and low outputs in certain light ranges.

tf you all on? has everyone in this thread had nothing but smoke blown up their ass to help confirm their personal beliefs (most of which are total fucking bs btw...) in terms of legitimate output, quality of flower, potency and yield. fact of the matter is, there are only 2 values that should be considered. lumens/sqft, and CRI... its amazing how a thread about nothing but lighting... 5 pages in, and not one person has touched on the subject of CRI ? tf is wrong with all of you. simply put, even though its old tech, it has Not been surpassed by any other style of lighting. Ceramic metal halide is hands down without question, the absolute best. far from cost effective though, LED, HPS, MH, Induction... all fall short to CMH. CMH has a CRI (with quality bulb) of ~95%+. 2nd closest will be induction, followed by HPS, and then LED and finally MH. argue, bicker, bitch, complain, attack me personally. none of this will change the facts. when it comes to best of the best and concentration on quality of product, CMH simply cannot be beat. not going to argue, discuss, nor respond... believe differently and want to dispute? theres this amazing thing referred to as search engines... do some research and learn something. as to the rest of you claiming this or this is the best.... you have no idea what youre talking about. and function on purely on ego. Prove me wrong. With verifiable facts. until then.... CMH is the goto in terms of yield and quality. HPS is best in terms of value /$.... LED isnt far behind hps but has a very high initial buy in price. Induction is on par but wildly over priced... MH will beat out HPS on potency but never match in terms of yield. Realitys a bitch.
Having run various high CRI lights extensively, I can tell you from personal experience that plants don't give a shit about it by itself.
 

growin-Jables

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Can a 630cmh do a 5x5?
My nanolux dual bulb 630w has a perfect footprint for a 5x5. I'm currently just hitting week 5 in my 5x5 tent using 2 - Phillip's 3100k in my 630w hood. Resin production is insane.....hell the buds that are the furthest from the fixture against the tent wall are actually some of the biggest buds in the tent. I assume because the intense reflection coming back right at the bud. These 630s pack some serious power and honestly suprisingly the penetration is really nice. It's like more than double the penetration than the 315s. Those thing lose power 10inches into canopy unless some serious defoliation is done....but I'm seeing my nodes stacking a good 12 -18 inches and them trailing to spaced out nodes that are still recieving tons of light as well as growing tons of calyx
 

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growingforfun

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My nanolux dual bulb 630w has a perfect footprint for a 5x5. I'm currently just hitting week 5 in my 5x5 tent using 2 - Phillip's 3100k in my 630w hood. Resin production is insane.....hell the buds that are the furthest from the fixture against the tent wall are actually some of the biggest buds in the tent. I assume because the intense reflection coming back right at the bud. These 630s pack some serious power and honestly suprisingly the penetration is really nice. It's like more than double the penetration than the 315s. Those thing lose power 10inches into canopy unless some serious defoliation is done....but I'm seeing my nodes stacking a good 12 -18 inches and them trailing to spaced out nodes that are still recieving tons of light as well as growing tons of calyx
So is that 2x 630 bulbs or 2x 315 watt bulbs?

I think you should do a run with a brand new 1kw super hps hortilux bulb so you can be sure your results arnt just because the bulb is new. Those dont look any more frosty an they sure arnt bigger than what a 1kw hps is giving me. Just my opinion.
I dunno tho sure seems plenty of people are happy enough. <shrug>


25 watts/ sq ft seems like very little.
 

Lordhooha

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My nanolux dual bulb 630w has a perfect footprint for a 5x5. I'm currently just hitting week 5 in my 5x5 tent using 2 - Phillip's 3100k in my 630w hood. Resin production is insane.....hell the buds that are the furthest from the fixture against the tent wall are actually some of the biggest buds in the tent. I assume because the intense reflection coming back right at the bud. These 630s pack some serious power and honestly suprisingly the penetration is really nice. It's like more than double the penetration than the 315s. Those thing lose power 10inches into canopy unless some serious defoliation is done....but I'm seeing my nodes stacking a good 12 -18 inches and them trailing to spaced out nodes that are still recieving tons of light as well as growing tons of calyx
This will be fun for me I’ve grown with qb, cobs and all the but excited to see the hype of the cmh. I got a 630 de 4K.
 

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Lordhooha

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So is that 2x 630 bulbs or 2x 315 watt bulbs?

I think you should do a run with a brand new 1kw super hps hortilux bulb so you can be sure your results arnt just because the bulb is new. Those dont look any more frosty an they sure arnt bigger than what a 1kw hps is giving me. Just my opinion.
I dunno tho sure seems plenty of people are happy enough. <shrug>


25 watts/ sq ft seems like very little.
They are said to be up to par with 1000 watt lights or better at less wattage. But I can’t say I’m just about to get my feet wet with this light.
 

growingforfun

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They are said to be up to par with 1000 watt lights or better at less wattage. But I can’t say I’m just about to get my feet wet with this light.
How much for that setup tho?

It may be viable here in winter but the whole "not air cooled" part makes that impossible in summer.

With hps just move more air. With a open hood you need a/c
 

Lordhooha

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How much for that setup tho?

It may be viable here in winter but the whole "not air cooled" part makes that impossible in summer.

With hps just move more air. With a open hood you need a/c
Yah my rooms are controlled with my geothermal I have a two zone setup one for the house one piped into my rooms. Winter time in Michigan it should be nice to have that extra heat. That light cost me 481 with shipping. But granted they give a military discount so that was a plus. Also that setup can run a 1000 watt cmh bulb if I choose to later.
 

growin-Jables

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So is that 2x 630 bulbs or 2x 315 watt bulbs?

I think you should do a run with a brand new 1kw super hps hortilux bulb so you can be sure your results arnt just because the bulb is new. Those dont look any more frosty an they sure arnt bigger than what a 1kw hps is giving me. Just my opinion.
I dunno tho sure seems plenty of people are happy enough. <shrug>


25 watts/ sq ft seems like very little.
2 315w bulbs
 

growin-Jables

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So is that 2x 630 bulbs or 2x 315 watt bulbs?

I think you should do a run with a brand new 1kw super hps hortilux bulb so you can be sure your results arnt just because the bulb is new. Those dont look any more frosty an they sure arnt bigger than what a 1kw hps is giving me. Just my opinion.
I dunno tho sure seems plenty of people are happy enough. <shrug>


25 watts/ sq ft seems like very little.
I've never seen colors terps or resin production when using hps like I do with cmh. And they shouldn't be as big as a 1000w hid bulb.....its 630w total so just a little more than half that of the super hps and I dont have to run any ac....I would most definitely need to with 1000w. As well as loose out on the spectral advantage and uv output of the cmh
 

growin-Jables

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This will be fun for me I’ve grown with qb, cobs and all the but excited to see the hype of the cmh. I got a 630 de 4K.
Keep me posted on how the double senses bulb works for you. Just start with a really high mounting height first then bring it down bit by bit. These lights are very intense and cant imagine how bright the double ended will be.
 

growin-Jables

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How much for that setup tho?

It may be viable here in winter but the whole "not air cooled" part makes that impossible in summer.

With hps just move more air. With a open hood you need a/c
The nanolux dual 315w bulb set up is $380-$400 for the fixture. About $120 for two bulbs
 

Lordhooha

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Keep me posted on how the double senses bulb works for you. Just start with a really high mounting height first then bring it down bit by bit. These lights are very intense and cant imagine how bright the double ended will be.
When I plugged it in and turned it on the light was insane esp after it had time to ramp up all the way. The double ended ones are nuts. It’s been a long time since I’ve used traditional ( bulb type) lights. It was like a tiny sun and the cri on the 4K bulbs are 95 or 96 which is crazy.
 

MichiganMedGrower

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Can a 630cmh do a 5x5?

I think the best results may be 2 individual 315’s over a 3
I've never seen colors terps or resin production when using hps like I do with cmh. And they shouldn't be as big as a 1000w hid bulb.....its 630w total so just a little more than half that of the super hps and I dont have to run any ac....I would most definitely need to with 1000w. As well as loose out on the spectral advantage and uv output of the cmh

When I first tested the cmh I thought it was superior to my Hortilux hps in resin production and such. But I learned to backnoff my hps during ripening and can get the same results.

At least in all our blind testing with us and our patients no one could tell which was which with any accuracy.

The cmh tends to keep plants shorter and greener and even may ripen some strains a half week or week earlier. Also brings out more color.

But the hps grows more bud and less leaf and can rival the quality with some finesse.
 

MichiganMedGrower

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i love hortilux. I did a side by side with two 4x4 tables. el cheapo 600w hps on one side and hortilux 600w hps on the other both run on solis-tek ballast. It was absolutely amazing the difference in how the buds finished. I will never buy another bulb that is not hortilux.

It’s the 25% Blue in the spectrum in addition to the strong red peak. Almost perfect for flowering our plant.

Even better combined with a 315 cmh. Best of both worlds.
 
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