How a Police IR helicopter functions?

gammaz

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microwaves are the x rays of the future. or potentially the present, we just don't know about it yet =)
In medical applications right? Where you dont need a great deal of penetration? It makes it safer to use waves with less energy.
 

Melangwanja

Active Member
In medical applications right? Where you dont need a great deal of penetration? It makes it safer to use waves with less energy.

I don't know, microwaves usually have more energy because they have a very high frequency. That's why they cook our food, by accelerating the energy in the water particles in the food!

But hey, maybe I'm wrong about that to! :D:wall::clap:
 

doobnVA

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In medical applications right? Where you dont need a great deal of penetration? It makes it safer to use waves with less energy.

Nah, the military is using microwave technology to create thermal imaging devices that CAN see through walls, etc. They're probably already in limited use.
 

gammaz

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Nah, the military is using microwave technology to create thermal imaging devices that CAN see through walls, etc. They're probably already in limited use.
Doing some reading now, see a couple of things, one is UWB 'see through walls' Radar, the other is a 'see through walls' Motion Tracker. Niether is a Thermal Imager as far as I can tell, so they wouldnt have any obvious 'glows' to randomly pick you up on. A motion tracker only tracks movement, and I think that the UWB Radar is defeated by metal walls. At least this one is: http://eurekaaerospace.com/impsar.php


I don't know, microwaves usually have more energy because they have a very high frequency. That's why they cook our food, by accelerating the energy in the water particles in the food!

But hey, maybe I'm wrong about that to! :D:wall::clap:
Im not an expert, knew nothing 3 weeks ago, but Im pretty sure microwaves have less energy. In the elcetromagnetic spectrum, microwaves(according to their wavelength and frequency) fall between IR waves and FM Radio waves. Nither of these are high energy waves. Despite the name 'Microwave' the wavelength is quite large compared to gamma and x rays(smallest microwave 1mm, biggest gamma rays are 0.00000001mm). The larger the wavelength the lower the frequency, and the frequency denotes the wavelengths energy, higher frequency = more energy.
 

HOMEGROWN4DE

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i think that ppl are really paranoid on this thread and need to do there own research on all of the above, people don't fully believe anything they hear unless they have read it for themselves so go do your own reading then you wont be arguing on here, your'll be growing nice bud instead
 

gammaz

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i think that ppl are really paranoid on this thread and need to do there own research on all of the above, people don't fully believe anything they hear unless they have read it for themselves so go do your own reading then you wont be arguing on here, your'll be growing nice bud instead
Youre right, however, the discussion/arguing actually lets people know what they need to verify ;)
 

doobnVA

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Doing some reading now, see a couple of things, one is UWB 'see through walls' Radar, the other is a 'see through walls' Motion Tracker. Niether is a Thermal Imager as far as I can tell, so they wouldnt have any obvious 'glows' to randomly pick you up on. A motion tracker only tracks movement, and I think that the UWB Radar is defeated by metal walls. At least this one is: http://eurekaaerospace.com/impsar.php




Im not an expert, knew nothing 3 weeks ago, but Im pretty sure microwaves have less energy. In the elcetromagnetic spectrum, microwaves(according to their wavelength and frequency) fall between IR waves and FM Radio waves. Nither of these are high energy waves. Despite the name 'Microwave' the wavelength is quite large compared to gamma and x rays(smallest microwave 1mm, biggest gamma rays are 0.00000001mm). The larger the wavelength the lower the frequency, and the frequency denotes the wavelengths energy, higher frequency = more energy.

I misspoke when I said the microwave imaging was "thermal imaging". I just used that term because it's what most people think of when they conjure up images of LEO watching them through the walls of their homes. I believe the term that's used is actually "remote sensing".
 

HOMEGROWN4DE

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Youre right, however, the discussion/arguing actually lets people know what they need to verify ;)

YEA FAIR POINT M8, :clap:
ANYWAY THEY CAN'T SEE IN YOUR HOUSE!!!! I'V DONE LOADS OF REASERCH ON THIS TOPIC AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN EVIDENCE OF THIS HAPPENING:wall:
 

doobnVA

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YEA FAIR POINT M8, :clap:
ANYWAY THEY CAN'T SEE IN YOUR HOUSE!!!! I'V DONE LOADS OF REASERCH ON THIS TOPIC AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN EVIDENCE OF THIS HAPPENING:wall:
They can't see in your house with infrared, but that doesn't mean there aren't other technologies in use that can.

How do you think the military finds those cave hideouts in Afghanistan?

Just Google "through the wall microwave imaging" and read some of the reports and studies that come up.

It's technologies like this that were the driving force in the Supreme Court's decision re: thermal imaging and search warrants.
 

HOMEGROWN4DE

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Listen i am only talking about "flir" nothing else, i haven't done any research on other tech that might be in use else where across the world, all i know is that the chopper round me is not going to see in my home! There is a police chopper hanger bout 10min drive from my grow and it passes me several times per day, if i had any doubt in my mind i wouldn't be growing now!!
 

ROBINBANKS

New Member
If they need to use a chopper they will.

'Recorder William Davis QC jailed the two men for two years'
Northampton
August 1

A strong smell of cannabis near homes in Northampton town centre led police to send up the force helicopter which spotted the heat bloom rising from the lights of a drugs factory.
Two Vietnamese-born men, who admitted running the £14,000 cannabis production plant from a property in The Mounts, were each jailed for two years.
Northampton Crown Court heard how Man Bao Sam, aged 40, and 33-year-old San Khong were arrested when the heat generated by the lights used to nurture their lucrative plants was spotted by the helicopter's thermal imaging camera.
Pearl Willis, prosecuting, said officers raided the property in Margaret Street at 2am on October 30 and discovered three rooms being used to cultivate the class A drug.
As well as lights, trays, plant pots and fertiliser, they discovered almost 250 plants at varying stages of growth, two kilos of cannabis and 156 infant plants at Khong's home. Recorder William Davis QC jailed the two men for two years after Sam, of Margaret Street, The Mounts, and Khong, of Bidders Close in Northampton town centre, pleaded guilty last month to conspiracy to cultivate and produce cannabis in October last year, Full Sentence....

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So basically, if I got this right.... Don't have a steamy hot grow room indoors or you could get some attention from people you never want to invite over. But if it's insulated enough, then only your exhaust fan will be spilling heat to the outside. I think a simple home engineering could take that exhaust and cool it down before it actually spills outside, then you would be like the wind... invisible. And invisible is always good.
 

ROBINBANKS

New Member
So basically, if I got this right.... Don't have a steamy hot grow room indoors or you could get some attention from people you never want to invite over. But if it's insulated enough, then only your exhaust fan will be spilling heat to the outside. I think a simple home engineering could take that exhaust and cool it down before it actually spills outside, then you would be like the wind... invisible. And invisible is always good.
Thats about it dude, small is good, big is risky.
 

HOMEGROWN4DE

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"Pearl Willis, prosecuting, said officers raided the property in Margaret Street at 2am on October 30 and discovered three rooms being used to cultivate the class A drug"


can i just point out that this is not a class A drug, or am i totally stupid, lol
 

ROBINBANKS

New Member
"Pearl Willis, prosecuting, said officers raided the property in Margaret Street at 2am on October 30 and discovered three rooms being used to cultivate the class A drug"


can i just point out that this is not a class A drug, or am i totally stupid, lol
I know, in the uk it was a class C from B, now its back to B from C, so right now in the UK weed is a class B, am sure with the amount they had those details were the last thing on their minds.
 

HOMEGROWN4DE

Well-Known Member
lol,
yea true m8 but we don't want to scare off any new growers wen they read that its a class A, I WOULDN'T BE GROWING IF IT WAS, WOULD U??
 

gammaz

Member
About those See Through Wall radars, heres some more evidence that they dont like metal, from http://pubs.drdc.gc.ca/PDFS/unc36/p518404.pdf

"Solid metallic walls are completely opaque to the radar frequencies of interest. The radar signals are completely blocked by a thin aluminum foil such as that used in insulating houses...

Solid metallic walls are much thicker than a few microns. Hence, they are opaque to radar signals. Even a thin aluminum foil, which is about 200 microns thick, is opaque to the radar frequency of interest since most energy is attenuated within the first 8 microns..."

sleep easy :blsmoke:
 
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