Carribbeangrower
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how can I make distillate at home for vape carts ? Or co2 extraction? I’m currently in the Caribbean which makes it hard to get carts. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Happy 420
How can I make distillate at home for vape carts ?
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GBAUTO
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Solvent extraction using ethanol or isopropyl would probably be the easiest for you to source.
I use an Extractcraft etoh to recover the alcohol but you could just air purge to remove the solvent.
Fractional distillation needs some expensive equipment but that's the next level above using alcohol.
I use an Extractcraft etoh to recover the alcohol but you could just air purge to remove the solvent.
Fractional distillation needs some expensive equipment but that's the next level above using alcohol.
Carribbeangrower
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Yeah man, I’ve done some research I ordered the set to able to make. Know if my starting crude isn’t as potent will running the end product a few times make more potent ?
Midnight Warrior
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I've been researching distillates myself as they are the most versatile concentrate available and the process involves no solvents. Found a few Short-Path distillation kits on Alibaba for $460, but just not sure about ordering from China at this time.
gwpharms
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That must be just the glass for $460
You will need a recirculating chiller/heater, about 3k and a vacuum pump that can achieve low micron levels, about 3k. And some other costly peripherals.
Then you will need education so you can utilize it all effectively and efficiently. This isn't something where you can dive right into the deep end and expect to swim. You're going to fail several times and wreck a lot of product before you get it right. You'll have a lot of very expensive toys and if you don't know the first thing about any of it or the basic laboratory procedure/processes and equipment, you are likely to break your toys and or just get frustrated with everything and your stuff ends up on Ebay with all the other people trying to recoup their investment after deciding to jump into this without a life jacket
Also when buying stuff from China, always get a shipping quote. That is almost never included in the list price.
Once they add shipping the cost usually ends up being about the same as what you could have bought it for domestically. Unless you're filling a whole shipping container
Then you can get some screaming good deals
You also get no support from China if something goes wrong or is defective, good luck getting them to return and replace it
You will need a recirculating chiller/heater, about 3k and a vacuum pump that can achieve low micron levels, about 3k. And some other costly peripherals.
Then you will need education so you can utilize it all effectively and efficiently. This isn't something where you can dive right into the deep end and expect to swim. You're going to fail several times and wreck a lot of product before you get it right. You'll have a lot of very expensive toys and if you don't know the first thing about any of it or the basic laboratory procedure/processes and equipment, you are likely to break your toys and or just get frustrated with everything and your stuff ends up on Ebay with all the other people trying to recoup their investment after deciding to jump into this without a life jacket
Also when buying stuff from China, always get a shipping quote. That is almost never included in the list price.
Once they add shipping the cost usually ends up being about the same as what you could have bought it for domestically. Unless you're filling a whole shipping container
Then you can get some screaming good deals
You also get no support from China if something goes wrong or is defective, good luck getting them to return and replace it
Gardenator
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Making it for yourself is one thing but making decent material that will atomize in ur cart and taste good is a different story, plan on spending some money on some lab equipment, butane extraction is great given you follow all due process and safety procedures but there are a few different processes to dial in to get a nice end product and lots of research to do to as well, extraction is the easy part, cleaning and washing your product with ethanol and bleaching clay and pulling a vaccume on the material between and durring each process, making sure all your temps are perfect and you practice extremely maticulous and constant cleaning of everything... its a big deal depending on how deep you want to dive in but plan on swimming at the very least lol and dont be tricked into buying junk equipment or dangerous cutting/imulsifing agents that will make you and your friends sick or worse... research first though it is like taking a crash coarse in chemistry and brush up on all of the hot and cold tolerrences on ur solvents you will be using as you will want to know and pre-emptively take action towards safety and due process when you start blasting and washing and running a vacuum and remember that temp parameters change drastically under any amount vacuum
gwpharms
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I reccomend sub zero ethanol quick washes. No special expensive equipment needed. Reclaim your ethanol with the source turbo or something like that. Then pour it out thin layer and put it in a vacuum oven.
Or spend 2k on a rotovap.
You'll also need a buchner funnel vacuum filtration setup and the filter media like celite diatomaceous earth bleaching clay activated carbon etc....
The cold qwet process will yeild a potent oil that is comparable to distillate and just as versatile. And your winterizing process is done during the extraction process so it saves you a step which you would have to take if you're working with butane wax derivatives
Or spend 2k on a rotovap.
You'll also need a buchner funnel vacuum filtration setup and the filter media like celite diatomaceous earth bleaching clay activated carbon etc....
The cold qwet process will yeild a potent oil that is comparable to distillate and just as versatile. And your winterizing process is done during the extraction process so it saves you a step which you would have to take if you're working with butane wax derivatives
gwpharms
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A crash course at the very least but I really recommend going all the way back to the beginning. It's the long road but you will be much more successful in the long run and happy you started from square 1.
Learn the periodic table, how it works how its structured and memorize it so you can fill in a blank one with the symbols and properties of each element.
That's the first thing you will have to learn/understand if you were to pursue an education/career in chemistry, or any of the sciences for that matter.
Then you can study basic synthesis, reactions ect... and learn the basic foundations of organic chemistry. Extraction, distillation, filtration/purification and crystallization
OP is at least a couple years away from getting to play with labware and chemicals imo
You can make very nice carts with ethanol extraction like a lot of these other guys have said. Short path distillation is not cheap or easy to learn. I'm confused by you saying you don't need a solvent. From my understand you needs lots of crude oil to even use one. And that oil had to be extracted with something.
gwpharms
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Yes you need lots of crude for short path. Like, half of your flask capacity.Which makes mistakes even more costly. Even if you get the smallest 1 litter setup ,
that could be 500 grams of oil you just burnt up and now it tastes like fried tires.
Thousands of dollars down the drain
that could be 500 grams of oil you just burnt up and now it tastes like fried tires.
Thousands of dollars down the drain
gwpharms
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There was never any need for anything other than ethanol extraction imo. If you don't want any "solvent then use co2, dry ice, pressed rosin. You will have to de fat rosin if you want it to be oil.
If You're using ethanol anyway to winterize. May as well cut out the butane propane and the extra processes that go along with it and do it all in 1 step with 1 solvent and on less time.
Bho is just a reinvention of the wheel so "they" could sell you stuff and get in on all this money and distract you from the simple safe diy processes and control the narrative. They dont want you to know how extract has been made for centuries because then they cant sell you anything.
But that's just my opinion
If You're using ethanol anyway to winterize. May as well cut out the butane propane and the extra processes that go along with it and do it all in 1 step with 1 solvent and on less time.
Bho is just a reinvention of the wheel so "they" could sell you stuff and get in on all this money and distract you from the simple safe diy processes and control the narrative. They dont want you to know how extract has been made for centuries because then they cant sell you anything.
But that's just my opinion
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mysunnyboy
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I’m following you
Midnight Warrior
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I've researched the cost, turnkey setups can be had for around 2.3-2.5k. I've been doing lots of research, but that's the thing there isn't very much besides the summit documents. This is something I am very interested in pursuing and will not be dissuaded.
worldspawn
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In certain countries that tax the fuck out of any consumable alcohol, ethanol is an expensive choice for a consumable. I bit the bullet and dropped $1k on a vacuum pump + vacuum chamber + closed extraction column. Then some more money on 99.9998% butane. In my pretty small column i can wash 3 times with about 1.8-2 cans (AUD$30 of butane) and yield 10-14grams ($600-840). Made all the $$ back in a week 
If you have a shit load of trim its worth it. I pretty much follow this guide as exactly as I can: https://www.dudegrows.com/how-to-make-bho-step-by-step-with-thecapn/
Also the obligatory warning. If u do this, don't blast inside. Blast outside or something as good as. Don't turn on OR off any electronics anywhere near it.
If you have a shit load of trim its worth it. I pretty much follow this guide as exactly as I can: https://www.dudegrows.com/how-to-make-bho-step-by-step-with-thecapn/
Also the obligatory warning. If u do this, don't blast inside. Blast outside or something as good as. Don't turn on OR off any electronics anywhere near it.
bEelzeBosS
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Sorry if this has been asked 100000000+ times but is there a step-by-step tek out there somewhere for cart making? I already have a Source Turbo and I'm good at making oil/wax. I just need to know how to get it into the carts and explained to me like a child. I've found several Youtube videos but all of them seem to leave out very important steps.
p0opstlnksal0t
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Www.Future4200.com
I've detailed many cost saving methods for extraction and distillation.
David is a China glass blower who sells on eBay and has very good quality distillation glassware. You can score cheap 2-5l rotary evaps using house water for condensor instead of a chiller.
Pirani vacuum guages and a RS interface or even a yellow jacket that uses an agilent 531 type thermocouple vac sensor gets you a gauge as accurate as a bullseye.
Instead of dry ice or cold extraction you can extract at room temp. Ethanol or denatured ethanol holds 10 times the amount of cannabinoids in it at room temp than it does at -40 so you don't need as much. You can use bubble bags and a panda spinner coupled with one of rocksteady 3d printed spouts.
Use a small chest freezer and pull the temp probe out some so it gets a false reading. This will get you a freezer capable of -35 degrees and has been capable of winterization and coagulation of fats/ lipids. You can also search room temp methanol winterization which is even easier.
I've detailed many cost saving methods for extraction and distillation.
David is a China glass blower who sells on eBay and has very good quality distillation glassware. You can score cheap 2-5l rotary evaps using house water for condensor instead of a chiller.
Pirani vacuum guages and a RS interface or even a yellow jacket that uses an agilent 531 type thermocouple vac sensor gets you a gauge as accurate as a bullseye.
Instead of dry ice or cold extraction you can extract at room temp. Ethanol or denatured ethanol holds 10 times the amount of cannabinoids in it at room temp than it does at -40 so you don't need as much. You can use bubble bags and a panda spinner coupled with one of rocksteady 3d printed spouts.
Use a small chest freezer and pull the temp probe out some so it gets a false reading. This will get you a freezer capable of -35 degrees and has been capable of winterization and coagulation of fats/ lipids. You can also search room temp methanol winterization which is even easier.
gwpharms
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I know they have turn key short path systems available that cheap but they are inadequate.
Trust me.
I've seen these 3k "turn key" setups, they are laughable and the people selling them have NO idea how this stuff is used or what is required for spd of cannabinoids.
I've seen them come with water baspirator pumps or cheap oil sealed harbor freight vacuum pump.
Your vacuum pump alone will cost more than 3k. Plus your heater/chiller Is another 2 or 3k.
You will also need or should have a rotovap for reclaiming your alcohol. You can use that water aspirator for that then you do not risk getting ethanol vapors in your pump and blowing it up. Another 2.5k
You'll also need a buchner filter and various lab consumables like filtration media.
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p0opstlnksal0t
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If the dude does the research and is scrappy he can use or build equipment far cheaper than what you've outlined. Although those are entry level retail prices for new Chinese equipment
PentultimateMasterblaster
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Cheap and effective. Go to the plumbing store and buy a length of 1.5 inch pvc pipe and some glue and two end caps. Cut a length of your piping somewhere around 10 inches ( one OZ = 6g oil ) and then one cap you will drill a hole right completely, through the center the diameter of the inside of a butane can nozzle and then partially though the same hole with a bit the same diameter of the outside of the can nozzle so that placing the nozzle in the hole and depressing the can will discharge its contents and glue it on one end of your pipe. The other cap drill numerous small holes. Now stuff the tube with as much dry powdered bud and pack some coffee filters into the bottom cap and force it onto the pipe, stick in the freezer with the butane cans or better yet a bag of dry ice, then when as cold as you can get it and blast butane through into a metal container. Degas by using warm water then boiling water as a safe heat source, then finish off on a hotplate. Make it just start to smoke then withdraw and repeat until all of the bubbles are gone, cool down and enjoy spread it , dab, it eat it, smoke it.