How can we achieve a living wage?
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Budley Doright
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That’s why he has no ideal how the actual world works......... figured
Budley Doright
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Ummm victory ya sure lol the more you talk the more I get it, you are delusional I’m thinking.You left out the part about people doing what they want to with their OWN body and property. Doing things with other peoples body and property should entail consent from the other person.
You almost had it.
Rob Roy
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Which part of what I said do you find objectionable or "delusional" ?
Rob Roy
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Budley Doright
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Well first off you claim victory where there was no victory to be had, I consider that somewhat delusional. And no nothing you have said is objectionable. Rather it’s actually quite humorous that you haven’t really answered any of my queries, just offered ideologies, not any actual working models. I gotta say if there is a victory to be had, yes you win, it’s hard to debate delusion. I’ll get back to you when you have something of substance to debate.
Fogdog
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He believes without any need for evidence or facts to verify his belief. Hard to argue with a religious conviction.
Rob Roy
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Budley Doright
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I accept the universal salute of defeat ..... given under your own free will.... thanks.
Budley Doright
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Yes.
ttystikk
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Try again.
The difference between a business and a hobby is not the bankroll of the owner.
Customers are the key distinction. Without CUSTOMERS, no one makes any money. Rich people know this very well; it's how they got rich in the first place.
Now, what has America spent the last half century doing to its middle class, the greatest assemblage of customers in human history? That's right. Small wonder things are so fucked here.
Bugeye
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I agree customers are perhaps the most important thing, but don't you agree that businesses need capital?
ttystikk
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What's the point in capital without customers?
Bugeye
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I can reverse that and ask you, what is the point of customers without capital to serve them? Capital is needed for production, labor, marketing, distribution, etc.
Budley Doright
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The rich certainly do create jobs. They require services and that creates jobs right? Did I say they create all the jobs? And are they not customers? We all create jobs in some way. Why would you single out the rich as not creating jobs? I create less jobs than the wealthy guy next door because he’s useless at anything so needs to hire people. Me on the other hand will fix anything I can and even can’t lol, instead of paying for it.
UncleBuck
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Why would you need marketing when there’s already demand from customers?
Bugeye
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To increase demand by making sure people outside your current customer base are aware of you.
UncleBuck
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So demand is so important that you should be willing to burn through capital to create it
Why don’t you just make tty’s argument for him?
ttystikk
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Capital is a way to improve productivity but it is not as fundamental a requirement as customers.
To put it another way; Business can do without capital but not without customers.
Rich people aren't nearly as essential as they like to tell us they are. In point of fact, they aren't essential at all.
I'm not against people gaining wealth. I'm against wealthy people using their money to corrupt politics and Nations.
Budley Doright
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What is your definition of wealthy, it’s an honest question, I’m just curious as to what you classify as wealthy. My definition of wealthy is the ability to support your lifestyle you’re accustom to even if your not working by choice/or not, more of a happy than wealthy I guess. By that definition, a living wage would provide wealth for some. And I agree anytime there is corruption democracy takes a hit. The amount of money involved is really the determining factor of the damage inflicted. The unfortunate part of this is, nothing will change, votes have been bought one way or another since the dawn of democracy (I use that term loosely).