How do i get solid heavy buds ?

greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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THE KONASSURE said:
but normally cutting off around 10% to 30% of the plants mass going into flowering means more buds and bigger buds


Roots can only do so much in a day but sucking up all the extra sugar from the plants leaves can get you an extra weeks growth in the last week or 2 normally seems worth it to me
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i'd say we differ on our understanding of how plants grow man.
if cutting off damn near a third of your plant's mass gets you "bigger and more buds"
and while they are going INTO flowering??!
wow..
 
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THE KONASSURE

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Yodaweed said:
I trim under my plants skirt to get rid of the larfy popcorn that forms under there. Allows more resources to be put into the top buds.
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Yes is does and gives you some nice cuttings you can clone too

some leaf I leave on just so I have something to spray if I`m going to use pgr`s or have a bug problem

but yeah when I pot up the plant into its flowering pot I take 10% to 30% sometimes as much as 50% of the plant off its always lower stuff I like to leave 4 to 10 nodes on the top, leaving more in my current set up just means theres more junk to trim at harvest

that being said I had a small`ish chem dog that I left some size branches on I`d normally of cut off but due to it being a bit small, and the tops of them are pretty fat but its got a big pot for its size, still kinda wish I had cut them off as it`s looking like I wanted a few more clones of that one, only got one clone of it, guess I`ll take 2 to 10 cuttings off that clone when it veg`s up
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Yodaweed said:
I trim under my plants skirt to get rid of the larfy popcorn that forms under there. Allows more resources to be put into the top buds.
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do you trim off 30% of your plants mass before flowering to get bigger yields?
and i'm not really on the same page as the plant getting MORE resources by cutting off photosynthetic producing leaves.
but I;m not really in the mood of starting another internet argument, lets just say that if you are happy with that, then so am I.
there are many, many different techniques used, and to a degree they all work.

i'm just not a subscriber of any "green" material being removed from my plants.
to avoid molds? hell yes.
to make the trimming easier?
sure
but to INCREASE yields?
No.
 
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THE KONASSURE

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greasemonkeymann said:
do you trim off 30% of your plants mass before flowering to get bigger yields?
and i'm not really on the same page as the plant getting MORE resources by cutting off photosynthetic producing leaves.
but I;m not really in the mood of starting another internet argument, lets just say that if you are happy with that, then so am I.
there are many, many different techniques used, and to a degree they all work.

i'm just not a subscriber of any "green" material being removed from my plants.
to avoid molds? hell yes.
to make the trimming easier?
sure
but to INCREASE yields?
No.
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if your growing small plants or side lighting a lot, doing a vert grow or removing the lower junk early in veg then sure

but if not you must get some popcorn and or some lower branches that pretty much do sod all, why would you leave them on ?
 
cat of curiosity

cat of curiosity

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greasemonkeymann said:
do you trim off 30% of your plants mass before flowering to get bigger yields?
and i'm not really on the same page as the plant getting MORE resources by cutting off photosynthetic producing leaves.
but I;m not really in the mood of starting another internet argument, lets just say that if you are happy with that, then so am I.
there are many, many different techniques used, and to a degree they all work.

i'm just not a subscriber of any "green" material being removed from my plants.
to avoid molds? hell yes.
to make the trimming easier?
sure
but to INCREASE yields?
No.
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@Mellowman2112 says it's all a myth. pots are round, so you can't water them because water is flat. so, if any leaves are three dimensional, you should cut them off. only 2d leaves work on a flat earth...
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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THE KONASSURE said:
if your growing small plants or side lighting a lot, doing a vert grow or removing the lower junk early in veg then sure

but if not you must get some popcorn and or some lower branches that pretty much do sod all, why would you leave them on ?
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because taking growing photosynthetically producing parts off my plant makes it grow slower.
and like I said it's not a growing technique I subscribe to.
at least not to increase yields.
like I said it has it's purpose in many grows, to help airflow, reduce molds, keep from getting too tall, ease of trimming etc.
but it doesn't increase yields.
plants don't work that way.

beyond that, the "larf" has it's purpose, usually destined for hash or cooking.

If you like to grow that way it's totally cool man, it's just a preference, like the types of food you like, or women you date.

I was simply saying it's not gonna get you bigger and more buds
 
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THE KONASSURE

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greasemonkeymann said:
because taking growing photosynthetically producing parts off my plant makes it grow slower.
and like I said it's not a growing technique I subscribe to.
at least not to increase yields.
like I said it has it's purpose in many grows, to help airflow, reduce molds, keep from getting too tall, ease of trimming etc.
but it doesn't increase yields.
plants don't work that way.

beyond that, the "larf" has it's purpose, usually destined for hash or cooking.

If you like to grow that way it's totally cool man, it's just a preference, like the types of food you like, or women you date.

I was simply saying it's not gonna get you bigger and more buds
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Well if I got mold I would yield less bud right ? less airflow means smaller buds too

and tiny tiny popcorn buds I don`t count as "yield" "yield" is the good hard nice smelling strong buds, I`d rather cut off the small stuff and get bigger big buds, ok to you that maybe the same yield but for me I yield more of what I`m after

also I yield more, as the branches I cut off for clones will yield me more, as if I go from seed the chances of getting a good plant are 1 in 3 or 1 in 10 strain depending but if I`m cloning a yielder then I`ll get more


but like you say everyone has their own style

I`ll give you more leaves can sometimes mean the plant can produce more flowering hormones

but that`s why I leave some big fan leaves off that some people I know would take off, so I have something to spray with my boosters bongsmilie
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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greasemonkeymann said:
do you trim off 30% of your plants mass before flowering to get bigger yields?
and i'm not really on the same page as the plant getting MORE resources by cutting off photosynthetic producing leaves.
but I;m not really in the mood of starting another internet argument, lets just say that if you are happy with that, then so am I.
there are many, many different techniques used, and to a degree they all work.

i'm just not a subscriber of any "green" material being removed from my plants.
to avoid molds? hell yes.
to make the trimming easier?
sure
but to INCREASE yields?
No.
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Nah I just do it to reduce all the crap under the canopy that gets no light, not sure if it makes more weight overall.
 
Kidbruv

Kidbruv

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THE KONASSURE said:
Well if I got mold I would yield less bud right ? less airflow means smaller buds too

and tiny tiny popcorn buds I don`t count as "yield" "yield" is the good hard nice smelling strong buds, I`d rather cut off the small stuff and get bigger big buds, ok to you that maybe the same yield but for me I yield more of what I`m after

also I yield more, as the branches I cut off for clones will yield me more, as if I go from seed the chances of getting a good plant are 1 in 3 or 1 in 10 strain depending but if I`m cloning a yielder then I`ll get more


but like you say everyone has their own style

I`ll give you more leaves can sometimes mean the plant can produce more flowering hormones

but that`s why I leave some big fan leaves off that some people I know would take off, so I have something to spray with my boosters bongsmilie
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I guess I just still havent heard why you need more light to get to the buds by taking off the part of the plant that can actually utilize and convert that light energy. It's the plant that supplies the buds using nutrients and energy gathered by the roots and leaves. The buds aren't, to my knowledge dependant on light. They are dependant on the energy the leaves converted. Seems like deprivation to remove that source.

Unless the plant grows bigger buds as a stress reaction to less photosynthesis?
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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THE KONASSURE said:
Well if I got mold I would yield less bud right ? less airflow means smaller buds too

and tiny tiny popcorn buds I don`t count as "yield" "yield" is the good hard nice smelling strong buds, I`d rather cut off the small stuff and get bigger big buds, ok to you that maybe the same yield but for me I yield more of what I`m after

also I yield more, as the branches I cut off for clones will yield me more, as if I go from seed the chances of getting a good plant are 1 in 3 or 1 in 10 strain depending but if I`m cloning a yielder then I`ll get more


but like you say everyone has their own style

I`ll give you more leaves can sometimes mean the plant can produce more flowering hormones

but that`s why I leave some big fan leaves off that some people I know would take off, so I have something to spray with my boosters bongsmilie
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more leaves has nothing to do with flowering hormones man
 
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THE KONASSURE

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Bruvyman said:
I guess I just still havent heard why you need more light to get to the buds by taking off the part of the plant that can actually utilize and convert that light energy. It's the plant that supplies the buds using nutrients and energy gathered by the roots and leaves. The buds aren't, to my knowledge dependant on light. They are dependant on the energy the leaves converted. Seems like deprivation to remove that source.

Unless the plant grows bigger buds as a stress reaction to less photosynthesis?
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So if you want more tops on a plant you cover the tops so they don`t get any light ? No you get more light to the tops so they can grow

what works outside with tons of light does not work inside where most of your light is coming from close by and right above

I mean a lot of people "top" their plants, by cutting the top node off or cutting some of it off

but you can get a top effect by bending the plant so the 2nd to top nodes are getting more light

you can also do that by cutting away some plant so nodes get more light

Ok a fan leaf maybe the best "solar panel" but if you cut or move a fan leaf or branch to let more air and light get to the top of another node/branch that area of the plant will grow more

so you can by cutting the plant make it have more top area and more of the bigger bud sites

I find that plants with more of them sites yield more and I`m more inclined to trim and look after said plants

I`ve tried doing it a ton of different ways but I find that removing 10 to 40% of the plants mass is the best way to get more buds, I think that you end up with more root to plant ratio making flowering easier for the plant

but it maybe that rootzone in veg and light in flower is limiting me, I guess my outdoor plants do make bigger buds lower down than my indoor plants I only have to take the 1st to 3rd nodes off of my outdoor plants where as my indoor plants I`m taking the bottom 3 to 6 nodes off

if its vegged a long time sometimes more, and you see a lot of people growing SROG will cut off everything under the net at 2/4 weeks into flower.

I agree it does not seem to add up I used to be all about leaving the plants alone

but then I LST and top and fimm my plants, feed them pgr`s and extracts, take clones and such

So I noticed we got a lot of small worthless branches and buds and such near the bottom of the plants so started by taking the bottom 5 to 10% off the plant then with some plants I started taking off more of the bottom crap

I guess everyone's set up is different but if your sick of bottom branches doing nothing or making pop corn just hack them off before going into flower or even up until week 4 of bloom, hell if there going to make nothing then cut them off later in flower saves having some worthless bit of plant sucking up your light and drying out the pot faster

I mean if your growing a bunch of plants together they will block side light and you`ll get less off them lower down so makes sense to cut that off and use it for clones, not worth leaving some of it on as it means the plant will drink more

So if you pot dries out a day faster that`s more work for you, that`s assuming the plant won`t drink the same and make fatter buds, either way you win unless your after some extra popcorn then ok leave the lower crap on

I`m talking 120cm to 2m tall plants here, cutting off the lower 10 to 40% of the plants and that`s when I`ve cut off less during veg then I normally would due to not always getting the time I need in the garden
 
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platt

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thx for your efforts konna^

no one mentioning wood ashes? wtf! the main residue is Ca/K, nice for ripen & swelling according to agricultural practices^. Each batch is different, it may need a precharge with epsom salts... and a bit of cycling to avoid that Ph-Napalm feature..but the results (bag appeal & such) doesnt lie!
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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platt said:
thx for your efforts konna^

no one mentioning wood ashes? wtf! the main residue is Ca/K, nice for ripen & swelling according to agricultural practices^. Each batch is different, it may need a precharge with epsom salts... and a bit of cycling to avoid that Ph-Napalm feature..but the results (bag appeal & such) doesnt lie!
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Get some bio-char bro, its charred wood and soak in ewc/molasses tea.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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DonTesla said:
what about your heights, grease?

what heights do you like for making big dense buds

bit strain dependent and light dependent but overall i guess
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well since I do like 4 to 6 strains at a time the heights are more dictated by the stuff I gotta stuff UNDER the containers to get them a uniform heighths.
but the strains dictate which types of training I do, 85% of my strains are sativa doms, and they ALL like to get tall, especially the mountain temple, and the double dream.
but my ceiling is 7 feet tall, and with my hoods and piping for the inline fans, coupled with the extra heat my 600w MH puts out (no glass in that reflector)
so my height limits are like 5 feet or so.
but I usually don't have them that big, they mostly are around 4 feet if I trained the way I should have
annnnd if i'm NOT doing this endless seed-popping pheno hunt
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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platt said:
no one mentioning wood ashes? wtf! the main residue is Ca/K, nice for ripen & swelling according to agricultural practices^. Each batch is different, it may need a precharge with epsom salts... and a bit of cycling to avoid that Ph-Napalm feature..but the results (bag appeal & such) doesnt lie!
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I think most don't like the fact that the "liming" attributes of it are REAL unpredictable, not to mention soluble.
I don't really use Epsom salt either.
if your soil is devoid then maybe
 
DonTesla

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greasemonkeymann said:
well since I do like 4 to 6 strains at a time ..
annnnd if i'm NOT doing this endless seed-popping pheno hunt
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I hear you, dawg

Mono crops kill my buzz, lol

Variety is the sheiiiiit, I don't know how someone can grow one strain for 20 years and stick to smoking jus that
Damn

That said, the double dream and mountain temple sound like something I gotta try..
What's their lineage G
 
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