How do you pay for your MMJ?

leaffan said:

What about Pharma companies that have vaccines available but are unwilling to provide them to third world countries at a lower price? They let people suffer and die.

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yep there shit fuckers too.... cause one day something's gotta give....

What about all of us who sit back knowing that there are people who don't have clean drinking water or food?

We are all shit fuckers

leaffan said:

In all my meetings not once did any investor show any concern for patients. Patients are consumers.
It is all about profit and expanding, and tolerating the inconvenience of having to deal with the "medical" market till the recreational market opens up.
You should have seen their faces when I was talking about how to administer a compassionate program for patients that needed assistance. They thought I was a fucking idiot.

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That must have been hard to sit through given the situation with your son.

but it was the corporate/bank greed that bought all that water from the poor countries and sold it back to them for a huge profit!!!

and yes were shit fuckers too ... cause we know it does happen

So are you saying if you can't beaten them join them??? Sick and terrible philosophy!!!! How about fighting for the right thing even if it doesn't bring you material or wealth its called honour and self respect! Think about this guys you are playing with peoples lives????


Peace

Out of sight out of mind. It is sort of comparable to med mari and the people who say it's just an excuse for us to get stoned...until they or someone they love benefits from it, it's poison.

GrowRock said:

So are you saying if you can't beaten them join them??? Sick and terrible philosophy!!!! How about fighting for the right thing even if it doesn't bring you material or wealth its called honour and self respect! Think about this guys you are playing with peoples lives????


Peace

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Yes I wanted to join them.
I wanted to make lots of money.
I have no problem with wanting that.
I will also continue to help others as I have in the past.
www.medcann.ca

Jackal69 said:

if ya think with that in mind..... all the hookers would have dicks and the blow would burn and bleed while not getting you high. What a douche

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Look get back in the real world and unless you want to take up arms and over throw the current gov because you want poor people to have cheap med's do so, baking on forum about wanting some Nirvana world ain't gonna get you anywhere. Some of use just move and and do what we need to do and if it means we grown our own so be it. If you think you gonna get cheap weed when it becomes legal I got a nice bridge with a cannabis garden under it to sell you for cheap.

another falling for "that stupid unreachable dream" ..... here's the real secrete "it never ends... the higher you go up that ladder, the more you see your actually at the bottom.... reach for that ring... then stick it your nose so they can attach the chain"

CannaReview said:

Look get back in the real world and unless you want to take up arms and over throw the current gov because you want poor people to have cheap med's do so, baking on forum about wanting some Nirvana world ain't gonna get you anywhere. Some of use just move and and do what we need to do and if it means we grown our own so be it. If you think you gonna get cheap weed when it becomes legal I got a nice bridge with a cannabis garden under it to sell you for cheap.

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your really don't know how to read English that well eh? is this rnr's second account?

Jackal69 said:

I'm also talking about the general way corporations treat their so called customers..... i'll tell ya right now.... if the corporate world don't sort themselves out soon .... even the soccer moms will join the revolt against them all.

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No one will join the revolt. The days of WW2/1 and people willingness to sacrifice themselves are gone. There's a different mentality in North America. If you really want to stir things up take away the internet and entertainment. That is the only way you will see people take notice.

Look at the cost of food vs 7-10 years ago, are people revolting? Nope. How about the cost of gas when it was $.79 5 years ago and now its $1.29 in the same area. Are people revolting, nope. Have you seen what "farmers markets" are selling food for, its on par with the big stores yet you think "farmers market" should be cheaper. No they're there to make money.

the sheep have not yet awakened LOL

your useless to argue with because your points are actually pointless.

Jackal69 said:

the sheep have not yet awakened LOL

your useless to argue with because your points are actually pointless.

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Pot meet kettle

GrowRock said:

GroErr you are right but we are talking 1000 and thousands of pounds not 10 to 20 pounds that's were the savings come in to play and they could easily sell for a $ 1000 a lb and make a killing that's $62.50 an ounce think about the larger picture tweeds warehouse is what 500,000 square foot so at low end 500 grams per square meter on say half of there warehouse so 250,000sqf of grow space so he should be able to produce around 90,000 lbs so that at $1000 a lbs is $90,000,000 keep in mind you can do this three times a year!!!!! Greed

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Oh yeah, there will be some economies of scale. But if you look at the percentage of overall op costs, electricity, and then labour in a commercial op would eat up a huge percentage of the costs. You can hire cheap labour and pay for it in other ways, and you can probably get better electricity rates commercially but my numbers are based on approx. 1gpw, I doubt any of them are anywhere near that production rate. From what I'm hearing, don't know if they could sell as much as you're talking unless they somehow open up the US/export market, very unlikely to happen. Productivity in those MMPR ops will be low for a while, how are they going to find the right people with skills/knowledge of growing MJ when they're subjected to testing? I don't know many MJ growers, can't think of any that don't smoke. So they're left with lettuce growers and the time it'll take them to become proficient at growing MJ and hit 1gpw.

Time and square footage are factors as well as watts.

leaffan said:

Time and square footage are factors as well as watts.

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Sort of, but gpw is a good baseline productivity scale in commercial ops, no matter how you cut it, you can only get so much per sq. foot. You can make bigger rooms, more plants, whatever you want, if you don't consistently hit a high gpw your electricity costs will eat up any real gains. I'd like to see a commercial op hit anywhere near 1gpw of quality/usable bud anytime soon. If you were running hydro you might be able to hit that or higher, but I don't even know if they can run hydro setups can they?

No doubt gpw is the standard baseline, and 1gpw is head of the class. I would assume most are at .5gpw
Having said that...
If your 1gpw takes you 63 days in flower and say 42 days in veg.
And my 1gpw takes 49 days in flower and say 28 days in veg....
Time is a huge factor in a commercial grow.
SQFT not as much.

We were comfortable with .784gpw as our target, with a 56 day flower cycle.
Yes they can run hydro setups.

leaffan said:

No doubt gpw is the standard baseline, and 1gpw is head of the class. I would assume most are at .5gpw
Having said that...
If your 1gpw takes you 63 days in flower and say 42 days in veg.
And my 1gpw takes 49 days in flower and say 28 days in veg....
Time is a huge factor in a commercial grow.
SQFT not as much.

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Oh I get what you're saying, yeah, if you can improve/reduce your timeframe while maintaining a decent gpw, for sure. That's primarily genetics/strains, there are some tweaks you can do as a grower but genetics drives this the most I think. I'm assuming in my scenario running shorter flowering strains and 8 week veg to hit around 4 zips per plant. What I've found out recently after switching to CMH for flowering, but maintaining LED's for veg is there's something going on, possibly the change or mix of different light sources/spectrums, it's given me a huge increase in production and the CMH tech is suspected to reduce flowering times, which I've also seen. Trying to lock down the process I used in my first round with this config, and reduce variables for this run to see if both of these factors hold. The last round knocked 6 days off flowering for a same strain, clone from same mother, with all other variables/process being equal, other than the switch to CMH for flowering. idk exactly what's going on as you know it takes time to prove out theories in this game but so far this combo is looking really good. I expect to hit 1gpw this current cycle and hoping for as high as 1.25, in the same or shorter timeframe, that would be f'n awesome.