how many bottles of earth juice i need?

Dr. Who

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I'm just looking for 3 bottles of Earth juice... Not sure if it's 100% organic long as it says organic..I'm not feeding organic because it's organic.. I was having small probs with chemical fertilizer so my friend let me have enough of his organic fertilizer to run 6 plants and I had no problems at all....I even used as directed on bottle other then when I started feeding and did my best indoor grow yet ..... So going to use organic fertilizer
Few words on organic and synthetic.

In the end. The nutrient ions being used by the plant. ARE EXACTLY the SAME, organic, or synthetic..

Organic liquid nutrients are plant ready, and have been chelated by organic chelators.
Synthetic nutrients are chelated by chemicals like EDTA. (BTW, Hope college in Holland MI found the first method of treating lead poisoning. You treat the person with chelators like EDTA. It strips the metals from the person, in the places it's stored and does the most damage - the brain.)

Organic chelated nutrients are still considered "mineral salts".

You can make the same damn mistakes with either synthetic or organic liquid nutrients - period!

THE greatest debate in organic growing today is;

Is it really organic growing. Using chelated nutrients in any media.
Or is it actually organic growing to build a soil from natural sources for the amending of nutrients, and grow naturally with naturally sourced (EWC and Various compost sources) living bio's.

In other words. Many feel that unless you use natural amended organic soil. Your not truly growing organic with organic sourced and chelated liquid nutrients! You've short cut the living bio's in the soil doing the work and adding their chemical compounds, how ever minute they are, to the natural living bio's chelation of the natural compounds made available to the plant by that action.

VS.

Using prechelated and already a available to the plant nutrients. No matter how they were chelated. They (organic chelated liquid nutrients) don't organically chelate through soil bio's to make the liquid organic, plant ready nutrients.

While the source quality of any nutrient (organic or synthetic) is important. To use an "organic sourced" nutrient line. Doesn't mean it's better then another. Several synthetic lines use organic sources for their nutrients. Doesn't make them better then ones made with non-organic source's......

I'm on the side of the natural soil folks.....Make the bio's in the soil do the work. That's organic.

Pouring organic chelated, plant ready nutrients on any soil in a pot containing a plant. Is not exactly organic growing!

Over many years, tried many nutrient lines. I still do some synthetic plants. I'm seriously impressed with Botanicares KIND line. Damn simple and infinitely adjustable to plant needs.

Hesi
Canna
and a few others are just as good.

Things like H&G
AN, and others.

Are a scam of the maker, breaking nutrient compounds into differing bottles of various sizes and varying needs. They say you constantly need more and more to get to XY, or Z level of growing.
They're doing no more then stealing from you. You can do just as well with the KIND and a cpl of simple supplements.

Less is more, and all the "grow" magazines are no more then glossy ways to promote sales of the over hyped nutrient lines. BIG MIKE is a curse on the MJ growing world! AN - CYCO and H&G are the Monsatan's of nutrient makers...His claim's of his nutrients being MJ specific is an outright LIE! He might balance and chart for MJ but, in the end, a nutrient, is a nutrient, is a nutrient.... They are not specific to any living organism that uses then. Including the human body!

Understand better yet?
 
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Dr. Who

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thanks, im still around. i just dont have the patience to repeat myself over and over.

but if I must... keep an eye on the ph of earth juice. unless they changed the formula, its acidic. They make an organic ph up. But I found that aerating it for 24 -48 hrs helps to raise the ph a little. I try to use as little ph up/down as posible.
I'm really getting to that point here, myself.
 
I think salt build up from over feeding was my problem with chemical fertilizer.. don't chemical fertilizer leave way more salt behind if ya over feed with it.....not sure of anything I read about anymore lol definitely was no over feeding or any other problems using organic fertilizer... I read over feeding with organic fertilizer won't burn as badly or leave as much salt build up.. witch was why I was thinking all my plants did amazing.. not sure just what I read I don't know shit only what I read
 
Please don't buy into the nonsense peddled by nutrient companies that you need 15 different bottles of snake oil to grow cannabis. In fact, I recommend that new growers use the simplest nutrient regimens they can find. Learning the ins and outs of growing is easier when your not creating a bunch of problems for yourself with a convoluted, ineffective feed schedule. A basic 1 or 2 part system is more than enough to grow great pot, particularly in the hands of a novice. Good luck.
Ty bro.... Definitely
 

Dr. Who

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I think salt build up from over feeding was my problem with chemical fertilizer.. don't chemical fertilizer leave way more salt behind if ya over feed with it.....not sure of anything I read about anymore lol definitely was no over feeding or any other problems using organic fertilizer... I read over feeding with organic fertilizer won't burn as badly or leave as much salt build up.. witch was why I was thinking all my plants did amazing.. not sure just what I read I don't know shit only what I read
Then the best course of action. Would be to not overfeed. Wouldn't it be true then for both synth and organic? Yes, I'm leading you into a thought process, like a teacher.

I get your point but, it's overshadowed by simply not overfeeding. That is the part of learning involved here, that's most important..

Be patient. Shortcuts tend to bite you in the ass, later on.

Good luck.
 
... exactly I think my my problem with chemical fertilizer is that I have a feeding chart and l blindly follow it to a extent ... I only use the! Feeding chart as guide lines....and my guideline is fucked with chemicals.... because you can't trust shit chemical fertilizer companies say so they tell you to use more so they can' keep bringing in cash . I guess lol .. So even tho I'm feeding plants what I think they need and only following the chart as gide line it's still fucked... with organic I follow feeding chart as directed but still using as guide line I just give what they say to dose pants with then up the dose if the plant ask for it .... With chemicals I honestly didn't know what was Moor and what was less when feeding ... I may have just got lucky with "organic" tho ...
 
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