How many plants for 3x3 sog?
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paxneotech
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thats 1m x 1m right? Im doin 20 plants on 1,2m x 1,2m ( 4 x 4 ft), using Atami Wilma Tray 20.
jack the beanstalk
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Yes, plant size=maturity to some degree. You won't get bulk off small plants. You want to figure on getting atleast a month of vigorous veg in before bloom...that dictates size to some extent. Tying and screening can only get you so far. Stem thickness and age are needed for killer buds.
jack the beanstalk
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The most productive SOG setups hide height by tying so you get effectively 4-5 foot plants that stand 24" high. Thus, more maturity and less space. All plants want a month of veg, a few strains will produce well with less but even they will give substantially more with a proper veg period.
Nullis
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Are you limited to strictly a 3x3 area? I grow in a 3x3 under 400 watts, if I was using 600 watts I would probably extend my area to a 4x4. I plan on using my space for an SOG-style grow with anywhere from 16-20 short plants in 3 gallon containers. With an extra foot of space per dimension and 600 watts I would feel comfortable adding maybe 8 more plants for 28 maximum in a 4x4.
However, if you were to stick with a 3x3 I would say 20 plants at most would suffice. Remember that the plants will potentially double or triple in height by mid-way through flowering and they will fill up the room. When you're standing there looking at your little plants it is very easy to get carried away and think that more is better, but you don't want your plants to end up competing for space and shading one another. Besides, one of the greatest determining factors of yield is the amount of [the proper spectrum of] light the plants receive. You want enough plants to fully utilize the amount of lighting you make available, anymore than that simply isn't going to increase your yield. The exact number of plants you should keep under any given amount of light will depend somewhat upon the characteristics of the strain you are growing as well.
Also, container size does matter. I like to use containers that are as large as possible for the space that I have available, especially because I grow organically in soil. There are a couple of ways to help determine what size container you should use. A common rule of thumb is a gallon per foot; if you expect the plants to finish 3 feet tall then they should be in 3 gallon containers at the start of flowering. The other rule I've heard referenced around here I believe has to do with the amount of time the plants are expected to grow: something like a gallon per month of grow time. I stick with the former.
However, if you were to stick with a 3x3 I would say 20 plants at most would suffice. Remember that the plants will potentially double or triple in height by mid-way through flowering and they will fill up the room. When you're standing there looking at your little plants it is very easy to get carried away and think that more is better, but you don't want your plants to end up competing for space and shading one another. Besides, one of the greatest determining factors of yield is the amount of [the proper spectrum of] light the plants receive. You want enough plants to fully utilize the amount of lighting you make available, anymore than that simply isn't going to increase your yield. The exact number of plants you should keep under any given amount of light will depend somewhat upon the characteristics of the strain you are growing as well.
Also, container size does matter. I like to use containers that are as large as possible for the space that I have available, especially because I grow organically in soil. There are a couple of ways to help determine what size container you should use. A common rule of thumb is a gallon per foot; if you expect the plants to finish 3 feet tall then they should be in 3 gallon containers at the start of flowering. The other rule I've heard referenced around here I believe has to do with the amount of time the plants are expected to grow: something like a gallon per month of grow time. I stick with the former.
Are you talking about SOG or SCROG? I never heard or tying a plant in sog.
Thats what I thought. 9 plants(from clone) in a 3x3 with no veg time seems like not enough plants.
Thanks man
jack the beanstalk
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I always tie SOG plants. SOG is a wide designation. I have seen SOG with 75 plants under a foot that yielded less than an oz each and I have seen SOG LSTed with 8 plants that were over a lb each. The larger buds tasted better and got a muthafuckah way higher. If you wanna make a quick buck, try the short SOG. If you want good weed, listen to people who have been growing for 25+ years.
how long did you veg?Here are 8 Indicas (Bubba Kush) in a 3 X 4 area with 400 watt HPS.
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1 week into 12/12 in 2 gallon pots.
golddog
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I vegged them 3 weeks. Until the tallest reached 18 inches.
KuLong
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You are correct. SOG is with no or little veg time. SOG is best for indoor growers with limited space, especially height.
I have no idea what some of these guys are saying (Google must be down for them).
Kerovan
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Sorry, but SOG is not a wide designation. SOG by definition is growing a bunch of small plants quickly. What you are doing is LST, or Low Stress Training, another style of growing which makes the plants grow low and wide similar to SCROG.
jack the beanstalk
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You guys can grow your google plants and I will keep growing the plants that make my eyes google.
KuLong
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Please learn some of the terminology of growing so you do not confuse others with your definitions.
I will help you get started:
SOG = Sea of green is the harvesting of a lot of small plants.
SlimJim503
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Well I have 50+ years of gardening and fly to the moon every sunday... SOG is lots of little plants flowered after being rooted. The age of your plants in your sog depends on how old the mother is not how long you vegged your clones. A clone of your mother is the same age as the mother just with smaller root ball.