How many plants ??

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i just got a relatively cheap new Phlizon 600watt LED light , I think the true watt is only 190.

Manfacturer says should fill a space 2foot wide by 2foot long and tent will prob be 6 foot high.

I was just wondering how many plants should I put under it and what method of training should I do to them for maximum yield . The strain is unknown but it’s a mostly sativa hybrid, I grew one outside this year and reached 1.3meters and took 10/11weeks to flower and doubled in size maybe even almost tripled in size when switched to flower.


I was thinking 4 plants in 4 gallon soil pots and was going to top them and supercropp and scrog. Is this too many plants in that small space to do all that? I’m open for better alternatives or suggestions . Thanks for any help
 
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Would 4 vegged for half the time as 2 be the same or would that fill out just as much or effect potency and yield ? I have 4 little sprouts already in pots haha and not sure if I should give 2 away now. I also have 1 plant about 20cms high that I never expected to grow because I had it ages before I got my light and wanted to see if my seeds were viable (long story to that but they should all be female) and I grew it hell slow in a cupboard with a really weak cfl and put it out in the sun sometimes as you can tell it only grew like 20cm in like
6 weeks haha I was just trying out things on it like topping and super cropped a couple branches the other day learning what to so before I put these 4 new ones under the new light and do shit properly , here’s a photo of it after I cropped the 2 topped branches last night ( should I even maybe use this one or would it be severely stunted from how it was grown from the startA33590DF-6F47-4880-A5AA-2808B3F0F857.jpeg
 
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Or run a 4 plant mini sog. Put them in 1 to 3 gallon pots, top them once and veg them until they are around 10" tall and then switch them to flower. Super fast grow doing it like that and I'd guess yield 4-8 ounces, depending on skill and genetics.


Edit: I should say should yield zero-8 ounces depending on skill and genetics.
 
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ANC said:
COMPARE TO HPS/MH- The 600W LED grow light can replace traditional 400 watt HPS/MH while consuming only 108 watts!

Send back that POS and order a panel from HLG.
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I’ve did a bit of research on it and was trying not to spend so much as a first indoor grow as I’ll be trying to get a feel of things but for what it is it’s actually got a lot of good reviews for respected sites , now I know it’s not the greatest and there’s heaps of better ones out there, but for $120 Australian and with my grow space size it seemed like a decent investment. When I get a few more grows under my belt I’ll upgrade the light.
 
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Big Green Thumb said:
Or run a 4 plant mini sog. Put them in 1 to 3 gallon pots, top them once and veg them until they are around 10" tall and then switch them to flower. Super fast grow doing it like that and I'd guess yield 4-8 ounces, depending on skill and genetics.


Edit: I should say should yield zero-8 ounces depending on skill and genetics.
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This sounds like a decent idea as I really didn’t want to give away my other seedlings and wanted to grow and train the plants properly from scratch, do you think the plant in the photo Ive got now could produce the same amount as the method you said in the same time frame as it’s been growing a while or do you think because it had a slow and stunted grow in the first month that it wouldn’t do so well later in flower. I’m really not sure what to do with it as I want to use the light for my seedlings and it’s winter here so can’t put it outside to keep it growing
 
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Newbiegrowerrr said:
I know it’s not the greatest
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Honestly, man, I am trying to help you. You are being reamed with that shitty light. There simply are not enough photons coming out the business end of those plastic lensed LEDs.
Might be ok to veg a plant under but not much more. A smallish HLG panel will serve your needs much better and their markup isn't that much.
 
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ANC said:
Honestly, man, I am trying to help you. You are being reamed with that shitty light. There simply are not enough photons coming out the business end of those plastic lensed LEDs.
Might be ok to veg a plant under but not much more. A smallish HLG panel will serve your needs much better and their markup isn't that much.
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Sorry I didn’t mean to sound ignorant, I know it’s not that great but will be hard to send back now and what I really want to know now is will it be ok still to grow a plant ? Like will it only take longer to grow or will it severely effect yield ? If I did what someone else stated here and topped 4 plants and did a sea of green. What should I expect in timeframe to veg to 11inches and 10/11 week flower and what average yield ( I know there’s a lot of factors figuring that out) but if I did everything right and right nutrients what’s my best and worst outcome in your opinion given the light I have . Thanks for any advice btw I appreciate you taking your time to help.
 
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Here are some simplified pot head rules of thumb:
50 watts per square foot should work decently for cheap LEDs (but I just realized you will only have 25 watts/ft)
Even crappy LED lights grow plants and can produce between (guestimating here) .4 and 1.4 grams per watt

Whoa wait a minute, I just looked up that light and ---
"COMPARE TO HPS/MH- The 600W LED grow light can replace traditional 400 watt HPS/MH while consuming only 108 watts! "

That really is a POS. If you are wall-to-wall plant in that tent, that weak light will probably only give you really light, fluffy, small buds. If you kill it this grow using that light and do 1 gram per watt, that would be 4 ounces of larfy buds that will be a real bitch to trim. Of course you probably won't hit the magic 1 gram/watt so yield will probably be much less (2 ounces??).

My recommendation: If you can send that light back, do it and ask here what light you should buy. If you can't return it, use it to veg then put in more lighting for flower.
 
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Big Green Thumb said:
Here are some simplified pot head rules of thumb:
50 watts per square foot should work decently for cheap LEDs (but I just realized you will only have 25 watts/ft)
Even crappy LED lights grow plants and can produce between (guestimating here) .4 and 1.4 grams per watt

Whoa wait a minute, I just looked up that light and ---
"COMPARE TO HPS/MH- The 600W LED grow light can replace traditional 400 watt HPS/MH while consuming only 108 watts! "

That really is a POS. If you are wall-to-wall plant in that tent, that weak light will probably only give you really light, fluffy, small buds. If you kill it this grow using that light and do 1 gram per watt, that would be 4 ounces of larfy buds that will be a real bitch to trim. Of course you probably won't hit the magic 1 gram/watt so yield will probably be much less (2 ounces??).

My recommendation: If you can send that light back, do it and ask here what light you should buy. If you can't return it, use it to veg then put in more lighting for flower.
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Thanks for your time to write that bro, I’m all ears now mate after hearing that I’ll get another light for flower too please point me in the right direction without breaking the bank haha
 
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https://horticulturelightinggroup.com/collections/quantum-boards
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That looks really good but a bit complicated for me to figure out and setting it up etc. if I
got another one of the lights I have now would that be sufficient or any idea of another brand maybe a 300watt vipaspectra led beside it for flower ? To be honest I’d prefer something as simple as the light I’ve got to hang and fit in my grow space and not run up the power bill but produce a nice yield and could maybe spend max $150 AUD but wouldn’t really want to spend over 100. Thanks again man
 
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Newbiegrowerrr said:
That looks really good but a bit complicated for me to figure out and setting it up etc. if I
got another one of the lights I have now would that be sufficient or any idea of another brand maybe a 300watt vipaspectra led beside it for flower ? To be honest I’d prefer something as simple as the light I’ve got to hang and fit in my grow space and not run up the power bill but produce a nice yield and could maybe spend max $150 AUD but wouldn’t really want to spend over 100. Thanks again man
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It really doesn't get much simpler than quantum boards.

3 components: board, heatsink, driver. If you can wire speakers you can build an HLG light. I realize that recommending HLG goes over like a broken record for people who don't own one, but I'm telling you that a 135 watt kit will very likely beat the dogshit out of not one, but 2 of those lights you bought. Not only are they some of the best lighting tech you can buy, they are pretty accessible, price wise. I've never heard of anyone being disappointed with an HLG. When you get one, you will chuck those cheap lights in the landfill.

Barring that, yeah, I'd definitely pick up a second light, but if you are going to shell out the extra cash anyway, you're better off just getting the right tool for the job the first time.
 
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Ok,
Here are some ideas:
https://www.rapidled.com/vero29-triple-cob-array-kit/ - VERY powerful cob setup for your 2x2 - probably want to dim it
https://horticulturelightinggroup.com/collections/kits/products/135w-led-board-kit - Current state of the art quantum board. SUPER efficient, on the low end of amount of light, but would work well.


Me, I am into DIY led strips for the most bang for my buck$.
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If you get the DIY bug, look up Samsung or Bridgelux strips. Like these: https://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/bridgelux/BXEB-L0560Z-35E2000-C-B3/976-1734-ND/7907663?cur=USD&lang=en
Mount 10 of of those on aluminum angle strips, wire them to a meanwell driver and you are done. ~200 super efficient watts for around $150.
 
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