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929420

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I know that if I put my first set of clones into flower halfway through my seedlings flowering i can do this. I will be flowering with a 1000w Hps lamp. I hear its not good to clone from clones as that is what i was going to do, so any tips on keeping a mother plant(lighting,feeding,etc...)
My system will be Two stealth bubbleponics systems. each system will have two growing buckets running off of a 20gal. resevoir. the two growing buckets each have 6 plant sites. i will only be growing 4 plants in each bucket in the corner sites for a total of 8 plants each system. I will have TWO of these systems. I need to know if these two systems will fit under my 1000w lamp.
If any1 has any good suggestions on my set-up please let me know. If any1 suggests any changes please let me know.
 
entropic

entropic

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A mother plant just needs a decent amount of light, somewhere around 20w/ft, and they rarely need fertilizer, just fert them with some high nitrogen fertilizer like once a month, water them as necessary. Keep it on 18/6 or 24/0 light to keep it in veg..bla bla bla mother are actually pretty easy to maintain, but after a few months of taking clones from it you'll probably want to get another clone started up to become the mother, I've heard it gets harder to maintain the health of the mother as she gets older.

Also, I've read that it's beneficial to switch to a low nitrogen, high Phosphorous fert one week before you're going to take cuttings off the mother. The high P fert is to get the nitrogen in the plant lower and increase the amount of carbohydrates, which your clones then use to grow roots. Also, spraying the mother's foliage with water is supposed to help as well.
 
Kryztina

Kryztina

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I heard somewhere that not long before female is ready to be chopped, u put a male (before puberty lol) in the room for abit, apparently it makes for stronger buzz bud.....
anyone know whether or not this theroy holds water?
Cheers!
 
videoman40

videoman40

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I wouldn't try this one. My luck something would go wrong and my whole crop would be seeded. Besides this just sounds like an old wise tale.....that isn't so wise.
Peace

Kryztina said:
I heard somewhere that not long before female is ready to be chopped, u put a male (before puberty lol) in the room for abit, apparently it makes for stronger buzz bud.....
anyone know whether or not this theroy holds water?
Cheers!
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TillthedayiDIE420

TillthedayiDIE420

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ive never heard of it kryztina...

You could use 4 40w =150watt CFL's daylight 6500k for the mother... :) cheap easy, i use 4ftfluro's but cfl's are cheaper.
 
FilthyFletch

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
Im curious on why cloning from clones is bad?Im not sure if you mean take a clone then pull a clone from that clone right before it goes into flower or if you mean a clone from any clone is bad.I got my original moms as clones from a friends mom who was aclone from a clone and so forth 20 some odd generations. I now keep my original clone mom in soil just for clones and never had an issue and occasionally I like to crop my new plants during the veg and take thew tops as my next round of growing clones.Always have had excellent results and each gen is better then the last..
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

New Member
I clone from clones all the time. In fact, I've found that some strains, Cindy-99 for one, increases in potency up through the third generation. I know ... I know ... some say this is impossible, but maybe its just the way the moon is in my area. *lol*

Vi
 
entropic

entropic

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This is from the high times Q&A

Q: I had the unfortunate accident of losing a mother and am resorting to cloning off of her clones. Is there any disadvantage to propagating my plants this way?

-- Learning the Ropes

A: When you photocopy something you lose a little quality and clarity. If you make a copy of the copy, you lose even more, and so on. It's much the same with cloning a clone. You can only get so far away from the original mother plant before the symptoms of genetic drift begin to appear. They can be as subtle as loss of potency, flavor, and aroma or as dramatic as disfiguration and abnormal morphology. It takes several generations before copies of copies will degenerate to this point so you aren't in any danger now, but you should be aware that there are limitations to how far away from the mother plant you can get. If you really love this particular strain you should find a suitable male of the same or a similar variety and breed for seed stock. Until you do, keep your mother clones alive as long as possible.
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rusty_shacklford

rusty_shacklford

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i dont buy that. its not a copy. not a clone like that sheep. its a cutting
that grows roots. no one is genetically altering some embryo or anything freaky like that. my plant is a pre 98 bubba kush and shes been a whore for 9 years already... no seeds ever... clone only strain. just like purple kush and a hundred others.

only reason i see that its better to keep a mother is that you dont have to wait for long branches (for cuttings), you can just veg those puppies real quick and flower them.
 
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fdd2blk

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i think high times is high. they contradict themselves every month just to sell adds. i subscribed to them a year ago. sent 3 emails and still have not gotten my stickers. i even paid for 2 years so i would get " LOTS OF STICKERS ". where's my stickers bitches?
i clone clones clones clones clones clones clones. not getting any weaker here.
 
nongreenthumb

nongreenthumb

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The reason that clones degenerate is because you are taking the original plant and taking cuttings, now you might be able to take good cuttings and these will have the same dna and everything so you should get the same plant, but over time as you grow your clones from clones, unless they have been grown to perfection each time, then you are going to be adding inperfections each time, that is how they can degrade.
 
mogie

mogie

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But you can clone hundreds of clones before the slightest degradation in quality is noticed.
 
nongreenthumb

nongreenthumb

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Depends on your growing skills mogie, you are an experienced grower and you have a method to growing, you keep your grows fairly similar, so your strains might last out a long while. If someone grew from seed, and it wasn't the best plant to clone from you have already lost out on what it could be, then you copy it and you dont grow it very well and you give it trouble, then when you take a clone this next ones already got that same problem, repeating this can cause degrading quite quickly from the original.
 
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fdd2blk

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i think the plant is genetically encoded. to change this would take a very long time. i don't know a whole lot about dna but it seems to alter it would require more than cloning.
 
entropic

entropic

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I've been reading some more on this and it seems that people say you start seeing depredation in the plant's potency after cloning a clone 13 times. Not a hard and fast rule but a generally agreed upon number in some other forums.
 
mogie

mogie

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I have never heard that before. I know people that have been cloning the same plant for years. Sometimes like with ATF people have no choice. That is the only way to keep the strain going. You would be surprized the number of clone only strains there are. How could these strains still be around in all their glory if by generation 13 they have already begun to degrade?
 
entropic

entropic

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You can harvest pollen from a male plant and then kill it and freeze the pollen it'll stay good for a few years, then you pollinate a mother plant of the clones and get a ton of seeds, you can keep em going that way.
 
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fdd2blk

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clone only strains. quite a few of them. good point. think that ends the whole arguement. there is no male. clone only. and yes they have been around for years. someone gets a clone from a club mothers it donates some clones back to the club and the cycle starts over. these clones are proably in the 100th generation. i've cloned clones and donated them for mothers. i was on the 3rd generation and they were recieved as clones so thats at least 4. this is a bunch of bs. you can clone a clone without loss of genetics.
 
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