How much electricity usage is too much?

Lucky Luke

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I think you missed my point...

And I don't live in America so they wont be taking my property even with a conviction..
But I do know that happens their and its fkd
 

greg nr

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Does having solar panels help? Perhaps getting some off-grid as well
It certainly would. If you used them to charge batteries during the day and then used an inverter to return the power at night, you could at least take a large footprint of the load off the smart meter. You would have to rewire your box so you can run either from solar or wall, but there are commercial transfer switches made for that.

The other alternative is to put the power back into the grid, but they would likely see your use from the panels and figure out how much you were using. The interface boxes will tell them everything, which they need to pay you for the excess power you sell back to them.

You can do the same thing with heat. There are solar heat collection systems that can help you reduce heating costs in winter. But unless you heat with electricity, you wouldn't need to do that.
 

Bookush34

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Does having solar panels help? Perhaps getting some off-grid as well
I work with off grid systems.
Have thought of making a small off grid grow with COBs and a inverter with batterie bank and solar and wind generators.

Just from saving leftovers from jobs.
 

Lucky Luke

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boy the bs is flowing today haha
Which part, the civil forfeiture or issuing warrants?
In regard to forfeiture of the innocent then It certainly does happen.
https://www.denverpost.com/2015/11/27/guest-commentary-colorado-needs-to-abolish-civil-forfeiture/

"Can law enforcement take and keep your cash, car, home, or other property regardless of your guilt or innocence? The surprising answer is “yes” under the practice known as civil forfeiture. Every year, police and prosecutors around the country take more property from people without so much as charging them with a crime. According to the Institute for Justice’s new national report card, Colorado is no exception, earning a C for its forfeiture laws."
 

jonsnow399

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In regard to forfeiture of the innocent then It certainly does happen.
https://www.denverpost.com/2015/11/27/guest-commentary-colorado-needs-to-abolish-civil-forfeiture/

"Can law enforcement take and keep your cash, car, home, or other property regardless of your guilt or innocence? The surprising answer is “yes” under the practice known as civil forfeiture. Every year, police and prosecutors around the country take more property from people without so much as charging them with a crime. According to the Institute for Justice’s new national report card, Colorado is no exception, earning a C for its forfeiture laws."
Last year a couple of towns over, this dumbass was growing a couple plants in his backyard. The yard had a wooden fence but the plants had grown taller than fence and a deputy sheriff happened to spot them. They busted him and were bragging about hooking up his '68 Corvette and towing it to impound to be sold at auction. All over a couple of plants
 
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Lucky Luke

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Last year a couple of towns over this dumbass was growing a couple plants in his backyard. The yard had a wooden fence but the plants had grown taller than fence and a deputy sheriff happened to spot them. They busted him and were bragging about hooking his '68 Corvette and towing it to impound to be sold at auction. All over a couple of plants
I saw a doco on a dispensary owner who was shut down and charged but was found not guilty or had the charges dropped and two years on had spent tens of thousands of dollars on legal fees and still didn't have any of his personal property back.

If anyone is in any dought that it happens then- https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=documentery of civil forfeture in america&qs=n&form=QBVR&sp=-1&pq=undefined&sc=0-40&sk=&cvid=03B1841ECC9742DABE7CA032C311D37D
 

jonsnow399

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I saw a doco on a dispensary owner who was shut down and charged but was found not guilty or had the charges dropped and two years on had spent tens of thousands of dollars on legal fees and still didn't have any of his personal property back.

If anyone is in any dought that it happens then- https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=documentery of civil forfeture in america&qs=n&form=QBVR&sp=-1&pq=undefined&sc=0-40&sk=&cvid=03B1841ECC9742DABE7CA03

Years ago 60 minutes ran a piece about cops in Mississippi patrolling the interstate looking for expensive cars like Caddy's , Mercedes, etc. When they spotted a good candidate they would pull them over and claim they had crossed the center line, then use that to search the car, sometimes they would get lucky and find some dope or money which they promptly seized. They claimed one woman had a secret compartment that COULD be used to smuggle dope. Anyway they would confiscate your car and it was up to you to hire a lawyer to get it back.
 

greg nr

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They claimed one woman had a secret compartment that COULD be used to smuggle dope. Anyway they would confiscate your car and it was up to you to hire a lawyer to get it back.
Massachusetts just proposed a new reg that makes it illegal to have aftermarket hidden compartments in a vehicle. It doesn't matter if there are drugs in them, the law claims that just the existence of a hidden compartment is prima facia evidence that the vehicle is used to traffic drugs.

Idiots.

Edit - here is the pertinent text of the law (emphasis mine).

House Bill H.1266:

(d) Forfeiture: Any conveyance containing a hidden compartment, as well as the contents of the hidden compartment, shall be subject to seizure by any city, town, or state police department and subject to the provisions of Section 47 of this chapter. Proof that a conveyance contains a hidden compartment as defined in this section shall be prima facie evidence that the conveyance was used intended for use in and for the business of unlawfully manufacturing, dispensing, or distributing controlled substances.
 
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jonsnow399

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Massachusetts just proposed a new reg that makes it illegal to have aftermarket hidden compartments in a vehicle. It doesn't matter if there are drugs in them, the law claims that just the existence of a hidden compartment is prima facia evidence that the vehicle is used to traffic drugs.

Idiots.
I forgot to mention the funny part, 60 minutes sent out a bait car with a camera and got stopped almost right away. The sheriff said he stopped them for crossing the centerline and they showed him the video! LOL Never seen a redneck cop squirm like that before!
 

Shugglet

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I'm a crypto miner. I use more power now than I did/do growing
Seriously, its like people dont understand that there are tons of legit reasons for using a bunch of electricity (computer servers being an obvious one, not to mention they put out a ton of heat too)...


I assume people just dont have a good answer if anyone ever DOES happen to inquire about their usage. Which that in and of itself is a bigger give away you are up to no good than simply using a higher amount of electricity.

In other words, have a valid excuse waiting in the wings in case anyone does ask... that way your answer isnt "uhhhhhhhh...." with the expression of the cat that ate the canary.
 

jonsnow399

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Seriously, its like people dont understand that there are tons of legit reasons for using a bunch of electricity (computer servers being an obvious one, not to mention they put out a ton of heat too)...


I assume people just dont have a good answer if anyone ever DOES happen to inquire about their usage. Which that in and of itself is a bigger give away you are up to no good than simply using a higher amount of electricity.

In other words, have a valid excuse waiting in the wings in case anyone does ask... that way your answer isnt "uhhhhhhhh...." with the expression of the cat that ate the canary.
The smart meter can tell the difference, anyway, if they get a warrant they're not gonna ask you why you're electricity bill is so high, they're gonna come in.
 

Shugglet

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The smart meter can tell the difference, anyway, if they get a warrant they're not gonna ask you why you're electricity bill is so high, they're gonna come in.
Yeah, obviously if you have a smart meter, old logic no longer applies.

But they also arent going to get a warrant for your house solely because of high energy usage...
 

jonsnow399

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Yeah, obviously if you have a smart meter, old logic no longer applies.

But they also arent going to get a warrant for your house solely because of high energy usage...
No, but if someone snitches or they come to your house and "smell marijuana" thats probable cause. If they're really corrupt ( and how many aren't?) and have a hard on for you or suspected growers, they can say they had an anonymous tip.
 

Shugglet

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No, but if someone snitches or they come to your house and "smell marijuana" thats probable cause. If they're really corrupt ( and how many aren't?) and have a hard on for you or suspected growers, they can say they had an anonymous tip.
Oh I agree, but as far as the topic of this thread is concerned, it's a nonissue because you definitely screwed up somewhere else much higher on the list of "do not do's" to get caught.

Case in point, in your example, someone would have to know about the grow to snitch, and in the event someone smells ganja coming from your house you got bigger issues than a high electric bill.
 

jonsnow399

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Oh I agree, but as far as the topic of this thread is concerned, it's a nonissue because you definitely screwed up somewhere else much higher on the list of "do not do's" to get caught.

Case in point, in your example, someone would have to know about the grow to snitch, and in the event someone smells ganja coming from your house you got bigger issues than a high electric bill.
Or the cops could come to your house on an unrelated matter, and smell you smoking, like happened to a friend a few years ago. Or a neighbor could just lie.
 
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