How much longer should I wait to flush her?

NanoGadget

NanoGadget

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Two points that have been made that i feel are worth emphasizing.
1. Don't default to asshole mode. This goes for people who are trying to correct misinformation. Immediately shaming a noob for having bad info will most often result in them not listening to a thing you say, no matter how much acurate information you are trying to pass on.

This ALSO goes for those who noobs with the bad info. Don't default to a defensive posture because you are misinformed. Knowledge is NOT your identity. You are not being being personally demeaned just because you listened to bad sources. Most people on here are legitimately trying to keep you from fucking up.

2. Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions. Here is where people got it fucked up.....
Your opinion is not necessarily worth a shit just because you have the right to have it. I'm entitled to believe the moon is made out of skittles. But thats obviously nonsense and nobody is required to respect nonsensical beliefs.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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NanoGadget said:
Two points that have been made that i feel are worth emphasizing.
1. Don't default to asshole mode. This goes for people who are trying to correct misinformation. Immediately shaming a noob for having bad info will most often result in them not listening to a thing you say, no matter how much acurate information you are trying to pass on.

This ALSO goes for those who noobs with the bad info. Don't default to a defensive posture because you are misinformed. Knowledge is NOT your identity. You are not being being personally demeaned just because you listened to bad sources. Most people on here are legitimately trying to keep you from fucking up.

2. Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions. Here is where people got it fucked up.....
Your opinion is not necessarily worth a shit just because you have the right to have it. I'm entitled to believe the moon is made out of skittles. But thats obviously nonsense and nobody is required to respect nonsensical beliefs.
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I know why water is called the universal solvent but theres so much more it cant dissolve i feel like it cheated to get this tittle :-)
 
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KryptoBud

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Randomestguy said:
I may be wrong and this is the case because the roots essentially filter what goes up, but the fact remains it's not a crop you would be eating
If roots filter what goes up why flush if the plant controls it? Some people do eat cannabis seeds it's not uncommon.
Randomestguy said:
I would say chemical nutrients make a difference because organically the microbacterial colony living in the root system and soil provides the plant w everything needed in the proper amounts if amended or made properly etc.
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Theres no difference between organic and synthetic as far as the plant can tell they're the same.
Randomestguy said:
like finding the perfect balance where it's ready to harvest but you've stopped additional nutes x days so the overall amount of nutes goes down regardless of the allocation. Because I feel that since it's being smoked just the larger presence of available nutrients whatever does get sent up via the system would contribute to harsher smoke,
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Nutes don't get used up like gas in your car, it's what the plants made of. Even leaves that grow on trees 100% natural are still have nutes thats why people put them in compost piles. Ever wonder why nobody fertilizes a forest?
Randomestguy said:
Because I feel that since it's being smoked just the larger presence of available nutrients whatever does get sent up via the system would contribute to harsher smoke, because objectively speaking erm typing the final product you smoke would have more matter in it, but the supposed goal is for the cannabinoids, this isn't really based on any science, more the gut feeling of smoking on a plant that could've been faded off the nutes briefly to make it safer for consumption by combustion
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Again something you've never done. Harsh or smoke that tastes bad comes from bad growers who think they can dump 35 bottles of secret serums, alligator farts, and buffalo scrotum then think if they don't feed it for a week it's all good. Faded leaves come from mobile nutrients being moved to new growth, the same growth you're going to consume. Reproduction is the priority of everything alive, buds are the reproductive organs and would be the last part of the plant to go without nutrients. Look up the difference between mobile and immobile nutrients in plants, and explain how you can make immobile nutes move when the plant itself can't.
Because you choose to consume a plant by combustion doesn't change the metabolism and function of the plant.
Randomestguy said:
make it safer for consumption by combustion seems like a why wouldn't you thing to me
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Well you wouldn't because you can't, It's really that simple. If you don't want to consume shit don't put it in your plant to begin with. Seems some people think more fertilizer equals more bud, it doesn't in reality just the opposite.
The worst place to learn how to grow are sites like this one or grow weed easy. They're full of pro's who haven't grown a pimple on their ass and way over their daily allowance of attention seeking trolls. Good luck.
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KryptoBud

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NanoGadget said:
Two points that have been made that i feel are worth emphasizing.
1. Don't default to asshole mode. This goes for people who are trying to correct misinformation. Immediately shaming a noob for having bad info will most often result in them not listening to a thing you say, no matter how much acurate information you are trying to pass on.

This ALSO goes for those who noobs with the bad info. Don't default to a defensive posture because you are misinformed. Knowledge is NOT your identity. You are not being being personally demeaned just because you listened to bad sources. Most people on here are legitimately trying to keep you from fucking up.

2. Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions. Here is where people got it fucked up.....
Your opinion is not necessarily worth a shit just because you have the right to have it. I'm entitled to believe the moon is made out of skittles. But thats obviously nonsense and nobody is required to respect nonsensical beliefs.
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Everyone knows the moons made of cheese
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Just want to say that if there is a noticible difference between a clone fed properly to or near the end and another same clone fed only water for 2 weeks or flushed (leached) with excessive water to clear out the medium the plants are over fertilized.

The quality difference of the flushed weed is only because it has less chlorophyll at harvest. And it still likely has too much nutrients in the buds.

If both plants were fed properly there would be no difference. And they would taste better than either of the above examples.

Overfeeding for yield and then fading plants for earlier sale has been a method of cash croppers since I was a stoner kid in the 80’s.
 
maxamus1

maxamus1

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Quick question though why is it that you guys automatically think that only noobs are the only one that believe in flushing?
 
NanoGadget

NanoGadget

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maxamus1 said:
Quick question though why is it that you guys automatically think that only noobs are the only one that believe in flushing?
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It's not just noobs. But inexperienced growers are more likely to accept bad information from someone just because that person has slightly more knowledge on the subject. There are plenty of growers that have been doing it for a while that still believe a lot of old stoner myths and bro science. Thats not unique to growing. It's just how a lot of people are. Totally resistant to change because they are emotionally invested in being correct. Two words will perfectly describe how fucking stupid and stubborn people can be even in this age of information..... Flat earth.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Bottom line is you can't flush anything out of cannabis. In fact in some places it's being used for phytoremediation. Which means it accumulates toxins, heavy metals, and other things. One question those convinced that they can "Flush" the nutes out can never answer is where those nutes they're flushing out go. Thin air is not an acceptable answer.

Farmers in Italy fight soil contamination with cannabis
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cannabis-plant-soil-decontamination-italy-vincenzo-fornaro/

Hemp “Eats” Chernobyl Waste
“Hemp is proving to be one of the best phyto-remediative plants we have been able to find,”
http://internationalcannabiscommunity.com/hemp “eats” chernobyl waste.html
 
maxamus1

maxamus1

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NanoGadget said:
It's not just noobs. But inexperienced growers are more likely to accept bad information from someone just because that person has slightly more knowledge on the subject. There are plenty of growers that have been doing it for a while that still believe a lot of old stoner myths and bro science. Thats not unique to growing. It's just how a lot of people are. Totally resistant to change because they are emotionally invested in being correct. Two words will perfectly describe how fucking stupid and stubborn people can be even in this age of information..... Flat earth.
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Ok my bad, I must have misunderstood your post so im sorry about that. Now ill move on to what lil info i could find and lets be clear that there is not much that I could find on it im sure you could pull up alot more but lets be honest all of what does show up shows how you should flush so it seems as though most people still believe in flushing.

Now with that said i only found one artical about not fluching and there was not a scientific backing to it at all but a few places had it up acting as if you didnt believe it you were just dumb so not the gratest find. So now if thats what people are finding when they reserch this what do you expect them to do fall to their knees in aww over this article and praise it as the end all be all or dismis it?

Also as i went to find the article again to link it i cant even find it so once again when most of us still bilieve in flushing of some type maybe allow some room for this so called ignorance.


Peace and respect
Maxamus1
 
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NanoGadget

NanoGadget

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maxamus1 said:
Ok my bad, I must have misunderstood your post so im sorry about that. Now ill move on to what lil info i could find and lets be clear that there is not much that Icould find.
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Thats a bug reason this debate is still so heated. The lack of research into cannabis cultivation by legitimate scientists (thanks a lot stupid drug laws) has allowed people to feel justified in holding on to old and scientifically unsound ideas about the subject.
 
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Beachwalker

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maxamus1 said:
Quick question though why is it that you guys automatically think that only noobs are the only one that believe in flushing?
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Not me I said in an early post when I didn't want to talk about this subject that a lot of experienced growers also flush. I flushed for the whole decade I grew in Hydro

Wasn't until I came back and started growing in soil and did some side by comparisons, first and most controlled side-by-side experiment was with 4 super cheese clones; two got flushed and two did not. They were kept separate but all dried and cured exactly the same. I couldn't tell any difference between any bud in any way.

So for me, now I don't flush anymore, but I also understand why people do and I don't have a feeling one way or the other regarding it, however I wouldn't feel comfortable recommending it. I've read some of the science, but here I'm just offering my observation

I think most would agree that the most important aspect once the plant is grown and harvested is the drying and curing
 
Daveindiego

Daveindiego

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xtsho said:
Bottom line is you can't flush anything out of cannabis. In fact in some places it's being used for phytoremediation. Which means it accumulates toxins, heavy metals, and other things. One question those convinced that they can "Flush" the nutes out can never answer is where those nutes they're flushing out go. Thin air is not an acceptable answer.

Farmers in Italy fight soil contamination with cannabis
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cannabis-plant-soil-decontamination-italy-vincenzo-fornaro/

Hemp “Eats” Chernobyl Waste
“Hemp is proving to be one of the best phyto-remediative plants we have been able to find,”
http://internationalcannabiscommunity.com/hemp “eats” chernobyl waste.html
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Where do the excess nutrients go with the flush?

Out of the bottom of the plant, where the drain holes are located.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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maxamus1 said:
Ok my bad, I must have misunderstood your post so im sorry about that. Now ill move on to what lil info i could find and lets be clear that there is not much that I could find on it im sure you could pull up alot more but lets be honest all of what does show up shows how you should flush so it seems as though most people still believe in flushing.

Now with that said i only found one artical about not fluching and there was not a scientific backing to it at all but a few places had it up acting as if you didnt believe it you were just dumb so not the gratest find. So now if thats what people are finding when they reserch this what do you expect them to do fall to their knees in aww over this article and praise it as the end all be all or dismis it?

Also as i went to find the article again to link it i cant even find it so once again when most of us still bilieve in flushing of some type maybe allow some room for this so called ignorance.


Peace and respect
Maxamus1
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For the technical studies and papers some of us use ncbi researchgate and wiley amongst some of the biological institutes that deal with this stuff.

It takes an education to really get into that stuff but yer multiple studies on flushing roots for most crops :-)
 
maxamus1

maxamus1

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Beachwalker said:
Not me I said in an early post when I didn't want to talk about this subject that a lot of experienced growers also flush. I flushed for the whole decade I grew in Hydro

Wasn't until I came back and started growing in soil and did some side by comparisons, first and most controlled side-by-side experiment was with 4 super cheese clones; two got flushed and two did not. They were kept separate but all dried and cured exactly the same. I couldn't tell any difference between any bud in any way.

So for me, now I don't flush anymore, but I also understand why people do and I don't have a feeling one way or the other regarding it, however I wouldn't feel comfortable recommending it. I've read some of the science, but here I'm just offering my observation

I think most would agree that the most important aspect once the plant is grown and harvested is the drying and curing
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Hey sorry if you took at as directed at you it was a general blanket statement as it seems that alot of the no flush guys make the statement of non believers as noobs. Or maybe thats just how i am seeing it either way no disrespect on anyone.

Peace and respect
Maxamus1
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Daveindiego said:
Where do the excess nutrients go with the flush?

Out of the bottom of the plant, where the drain holes are located.
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How does running a bunch of water through the grow medium remove anything from the plant? And why do you think you know anything about growing cannabis. I've seen your grows. Go boil those roots on your nasty plants when you harvest to make sure you push all the resin to the buds.
 
Daveindiego

Daveindiego

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xtsho said:
How does running a bunch of water through the grow medium remove anything from the plant? And why do you think you know anything about growing cannabis. I've seen your grows. Go boil those roots on your nasty plants when you harvest to make sure you push all the resin to the buds.
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Lulz, I made this faggot mad mad. So easy, so fun.


What does drain to waste mean?
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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maxamus1 said:
Quick question though why is it that you guys automatically think that only noobs are the only one that believe in flushing?
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I just posted right before you that professional cash croppers have been doing it since the 80’s in my experience. I’m a relative noob compared to those I know in the old industry. I have only been growing 4+ years perpetually but I have tested this with 3 sets of 3 known clones and best results are always the plants fed properly and stayed medium green and happy to the end. But too much nutes ruins that flushed, faded or green.
 
Johnny Lawrence

Johnny Lawrence

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Daveindiego said:
This guy consistently gets kinks in his neck trying to suck his own cock. Don’t listen to him.
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Quick!

We should post examples!

Here - I'll post links to threads in which you fail at growing, and you can post links to all of the threads in which I fail to suck my own dick. First one to ten threads wins.

Quit offering shit advice, you scrub.
 
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