how much longer?

dumbmeat said:

noo..im 21, and i said youre correct, its almost like my first crop was grown by a 15 year old. i didnt know jack sqaut, and therefore the plant suffered. that cannabis plant was the first thing ive ever grown (besides when i was a munshkin)

i think ill have a better outcome this time around. my plants never reached for the light so much before.

let me ask you guys this. i know cfl isnt optimal becuase you need a lot to add up to a lot of wattage, but does does a flourecent out perform a hps or mh wattage vs wattage? i know a led wattage vs wattage will outperform both of them, and remain cooler, but led is too much $$ at this point in time

i am also in my parents house, thats why this has to be done on a micro level

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And you give people advice.
It is pathetic.


Have you found anything that backs up your idiotic opinions about hermaphrodites and feminized seeds?

can't wait.

no trousers, i havent really been searching though either. trying to give these plants a good environment in my spare time.

why dont you plant two more seeds?

Youre probably better off waiting til you get your own place so you can do a real grow. Remember that its probably illegal and you are putting so much at risk for such a small amount of bud. Go big or buy some buds from your friends. You have to way the positives and negatives man. Be smart, you have a whole lot of time to get your shit together. Good luck.

there looking fine bmeat just keep that soil nice n moist for them but not soaking and keep your lights as close to them as possible and youl be fine

bob, thanks for the encouragement! these acids are mainly sativa, i wanna try some mainly indica next

my moms ok with it (she knows street weed is dirty) my dad, not so much.

what im gonna do is grow a micro sog. if i was just doing two plants, i hear ya, not worth the time effort and money, but i have like 30 regular seeds, and one more acid seed left. im going to sow two more seeds every 4 weeks for a sog, and hopefully harvest the original plants every 8 weeks

does a flourecent outperform a hps or mh lumen vs lumen?

also can i nute bomb this girl every week with fish emulsion, or will it effect its taste? my fish emulsion is a 2-2-2 feed

Please tell me I didn't read you think cfl's can outperform HID watt for watt. I KNOW I didn't read you saying LED's can outperform HID watt for watt.

You must be new.

You should honestly stop growing. Harsh I know. It's clear you have absolutely no idea what you're doing. And you've been doing this since you're 15? And now you're 21? Oh right, you're grown now so you are a guru at growing. Seriously, stop growing. Buy some books on how to grow, troll this forum for a VERY long time. Read as much as you possible can. Save your little allowance and buy a real setup. Stop wasting your time growing that shitty weed. Those seeds deserve better.

i didnt say hid. i know hid is a very good light, but its also very expensive. i got my dad 4300k hids for his car for his birthday. actually, they didnt cost that much, maybe ill ballast them up.

im asking about lights becuase i want to upgrade from cfls, but i dont know which direction to go. i dont want too much heat either. maybe hid will be the way to go. or maybe led?

i havent grown anything in my life until now (besides grass, but that was easier dethatch, aerate, drop, water)

all the negative (and some positive) energy will only make these babies stronger. stick around for 8-10 weeks (fucking sativa), and youll see

EDIT: sorry. i see metal halide is a form of hid.

so hid>led>hps>cfl?

or is a cfl better than a hps, watt per watt?

bmeat said:

i didnt say hid. i know hid is a very good light, but its also very expensive. i got my dad 4300k hids for his car for his birthday. actually, they didnt cost that much, maybe ill ballast them up.

im asking about lights becuase i want to upgrade from cfls, but i dont know which direction to go. i dont want too much heat either. maybe hid will be the way to go. or maybe led?

i havent grown anything in my life until now (besides grass, but that was easier dethatch, aerate, drop, water)

all the negative (and some positive) energy will only make these babies stronger. stick around for 8-10 weeks (fucking sativa), and youll see

EDIT: sorry. i see metal halide is a form of hid.

so hid>led>hps>cfl?

or is a cfl better than a hps, watt per watt?

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HID is high intensity discharge. HPS, MH, CMH, MV. Are HID lamps. HID lamps require a ballast to operate. To my knowledge you can not arc a HID lamp without a ballast. I'm smart enough to know plants don't grow on hopes and dreams. They grow with plenty of light and proper nutrients.

There is no such thing as the perfect light. Each type of lighting has it's draw backs. CFL's don't put off a ton of lumen, HID tends to put off a lot of heat, LED is stupid expensive and mostly over hyped. Many who spend $500+ on a LED fixture end up regretting it and go back to HID.

You say stick around for 8-10 weeks. Are you completely skipping the veg? Those silly numbers you see on seed bank sites are FLOWERING time. Veg not included. Those plants will be growing for a hell of a lot longer than 8-10 weeks. Given the light you're using, you'll probably be close to half a year before it's done.

I'll make another post. Don't want to confuse you!

HID = High Intensity Discharge lamp. It's a type of electrical discharge lamp that produces LIGHT! The types that are used for growing cannabis are as follows.

HPS(High Pressure Sodium)
MH(Metal Halide)
CMH(Ceramic Metal Halide)
MV(Mercury Vapor)

Each light puts off a different color temperature(kelvin). I'm honestly not going to explain kelvin to you. Google it.(you'd be surprised how useful google is)

MH(Metal Halide) Is what is typically used for Vegetative growth as it closely mimics the sun's spectrum in spring/summer.

HPS(High Pressure Sodium) Is what is typically used for Flowering growth as it closely mimics the sun's spectrum during fall.

I'm not going to get into the other two because quite frankly it will confuse you.

So as far as what's most efficient watt to lumen. That would be HID by a large margin.

A 400w CFL will typically put off around 6,000 initial lumen..
A 400w MH will typically put off around 36,000 initial lumen.
A 400w HPS will typically put off around 50,000 initial lumen.

You can't make that stuff up.
There is a whole thread of gems like those.

trousers, youre insane please dont pollute this thread.

those were parts of my thoughts, not even a fulls sentence! hes riding my dick so heavy for no reason

the discussion started when he said hermie trait wasnt bred down to future generations..uhhh duh, then how do you have feminized seeds (herman or female). so regular seeds would have less of a chance to be herman (maybe even none, if herman that probably was invented by man and that particular strain was never bred with a herman strain, and just inbred with its genepool). even then, its a fact that regular seeds are much more stable to be male or female, cause thats what mommy and daddy were! not mutated by a chemical (in this case a heavy metal, silver)

so he attacked me and i tried to explain him phenotypes and how the probabilty goes up when an allele is added (thats where we got into discussion about training that he quoted. his child WILL HAVE GREATER PROBABILITY of expressing that trait, becuase the phenotype altered the genepool as a whole. for the rest of the species life.

and yeah maybe herman is invented(by accident even, side effect of chemcials) by the govt, or the universities and corportations. weve been fucking with the plants and changinng them ever since i can remmeber. potatoes were all the size of gravel, those huge carrots never existed, all mutants from chemicals.

and then we just went on tangents.

if i fail at these seeds talk shit, but until then please shutup. the light explnaitons is a good summarized piece of material. i think ill be ok with 177 watts mixed spectrum for 2-3 plants. lumnens are in my journal

and technically cfls have ballasts too, all lights need them no matter the size

bmeat said:

trousers, youre insane please dont pollute this thread.

those were parts of my thoughts, not even a fulls sentence! hes riding my dick so heavy for no reason

the discussion started when he said hermie trait wasnt bred down to future generations..uhhh duh, then how do you have feminized seeds (herman or female). so regular seeds would have less of a chance to be herman (maybe even none, if herman that probably was invented by man and that particular strain was never bred with a herman strain, and just inbred with its genepool). even then, its a fact that regular seeds are much more stable to be male or female, cause thats what mommy and daddy were! not mutated by a chemical (in this case a heavy metal, silver)

so he attacked me and i tried to explain him phenotypes and how the probabilty goes up when an allele is added (thats where we got into discussion about training that he quoted. his child WILL HAVE GREATER PROBABILITY of expressing that trait, becuase the phenotype altered the genepool as a whole. for the rest of the species life.

and yeah maybe herman is invented(by accident even, side effect of chemcials) by the govt, or the universities and corportations. weve been fucking with the plants and changinng them ever since i can remmeber. potatoes were all the size of gravel, those huge carrots never existed, all mutants from chemicals.

and then we just went on tangents.

if i fail at these seeds talk shit, but until then please shutup. the light explnaitons is a good summarized piece of material. i think ill be ok with 177 watts mixed spectrum for 2-3 plants. lumnens are in my journal

and technically cfls have ballasts too, all lights need them no matter the size

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You know what I hate about people your age. You think you know everything. First off kid. Learn to spell, holy fuck. My kid spells better than you and he's 6. What the fuck is a herman? That's a man's name. It's hermaphrodite or hermie for short genius. Last time I checked incandescent bulbs don't need ballasts. I purposely left out the fact that CFL's have built in ballasts to see if you would be the little know it all dumbass you are and tell me something I already know. Thanks for proving my assumption correct.

You clearly know jack shit about what you are talking about. Saying HPS is worse than HID. HPS IS a HID lamp.

No, all lights don't need ballasts only gas discharge lights do. CFL, amazingly enough is a type of gas discharge lamp.

Instead of replying like every other typical 21 year old shit stain. Why don't you try to be thankful for the information that was presented to you and not respond like some arrogant douche that finally doesn't need big brother to buy his booze.

I'm not EVEN going to begin to tell you how wrong you are about your insane idea that someone who is fit automatically changes the gene pool and their children will be fit. Honestly, where the fuck did you hear that? Potatoes were the size of gravel? Really....

Obvious troll is obvious.

I hope you learn how to grow kid I really do. But with a mentality like that and your head that far up your ass. I have my doubts.

ok you know your stuff about lights. i already said that, and i respect that. i respect any infomation that could be factual. and i know just enough. i know cfls are mercury based, i was scared when i broke one in my room lol

you dont know about how genes work at all though. all im presenting is the basics. if youre fit your soft tissues get memory of it, and pass it down to your next generation. peoples whos ansestors swam a lot have skinner noses, and more webbing in their hands. blacks peoples skin doesnt age as fast and is stronger becuase it had to develop more collagen for the sun. their hair is tougher too, but the sun crisped it up so that trait gets passed down. their eyes are darker to protect from the sun better, a darker color absorbed more like..(which i dont understand but w.e.) polar bears were normal colored bears till a few migrated and changed their color to the color of ice, and their air capacity changed.

you get it. if our past humans trained holding their breath, we have the potentional to hold our breath longer. all these traits are a form of training or adapting to the enviornment. evolution in progress. if you add more hermans to the gene pool, then more will become that. birds are de evolved dinosuars, that escaped the destruction becuase they could fly away and find some food, but there were so little of them they they deevolved into birds. when you hear a flock, think x10000 in the past lol

good enviornment = good bud (im hoping) and thats what im gonna try and do

ive seen my buddy grow a big plant off two cfls in a small closet as a mother. i dont mean to come off that way, and i ultimately am here to ask for help when im confused becuse there is great info here

will fish emulsion change taste. it says only feed every 4 weeks which really means 5-6 when you take away manufactures trying to make money. i wanna do it every week

why? its all correct. youll notice in the wild, like when those strainhunter guys went to africa to find the malawi gold (or whatever) those plants, like none of them are hermies. they all mate normally, and im sure thats the way theyve done it for generations on generations. there was never the need for a plant to develop asexually, to be isolated until WE did that, wether through moving them or through destroying a species enviornment.

was the hermie trait there to save the species when there was only one plant left, or did they LEARN this trait?

i believe the latter.

they even mention that they notice a "chemical gene" plants in one of the farmers crop. they also tell about how the farmers there use charcoal (not chemical grill charcoal, real stuff, pure earth material) for fertz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89RH475eZYc

bmeat said:

why? its all correct. youll notice in the wild, like when those strainhunter guys went to africa to find the malawi gold (or whatever) those plants, like none of them are hermies. they all mate normally, and im sure thats the way theyve done it for generations on generations. there was never the need for a plant to develop asexually, to be isolated until WE did that, wether through moving them or through destroying a species enviornment.

was the hermie trait there to save the species when the last plants in the whole entire area, or did they LEARN this trait?

i believe the latter. i spell bad i guess, oh well.

they even mention that they notice a "chemical gene" plants in one of the farmers crop. they also tell about how the farmers there use charcoal (not chemical grill charcoal, real stuff, pure earth material) for fertz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89RH475eZYc

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite

You can shut the fuck up now.

i saw this. i read it. theres little to no infomration about the origins or anything, basically just the defenitions.

Botany
Hylocereus undatus, a hermaphrodite plant with both carpels and stamens


Main article: Sexual reproduction in plants
Hermaphrodite is used in botany to describe a flower that has both staminate (male, pollen-producing) and carpellate (female, ovule-producing) parts. This condition is seen in many common garden plants. A closer analogy to hermaphroditism in botany is the presence of separate male and female flowers on the same individual—such plants are called monoecious. Monoecy is especially common in conifers, but occurs in only about 7% of angiosperm species.[SUP][14][/SUP]
[edit] Other uses of the term

a lot these that asexually reproduce with themselves are initatied by humans, by bud grafting and such. really crazy. cloning is another form of it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_tree_propagation

"Asexual propagationPlants have a number of mechanisms for asexual or vegetative reproduction. Some of these have been taken advantage of by horticulturists and gardeners to multiply or clone plants rapidly. People also use methods that plants do not use, such as tissue culture and grafting. Plants are produced using material from a single parent and as such there is no exchange of genetic material, therefore vegetative propagation methods almost always produce plants that are identical to the parent. Vegetative reproduction uses plants parts such as roots, stems and leaves. In some plants seeds can be produced without fertilization and the seeds contain only the genetic material of the parent plant. Therefore, propagation via asexual seeds or apomixis is asexual reproduction but not vegetative propagation.

Techniques for vegetative propagation include:

• Air or ground layering
• Division
• Grafting and bud grafting, widely used in fruit tree propagation
• Micropropagation
• Stolons or runners
• Storage organs such as bulbs, corms, tubers and rhizomes
• Striking or cuttings
• Twin-scaling

"

somewhere in a plant evolution book, the answer will be found

i have 11,800 lumens with 177 watts of cfl

really though, watch their expeditions where they go search for genetics for their seed bank if you have the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89RH475eZYc

the have a bunch of different quests.

looks like it has being grown undrer just white/blue light ?

ignore that was ment to go on another thread