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bearded.beaver

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I also add bokashi progro and some EM1. The bokashi grows mycelium throughout my soil and it works with the roots to collect the nutrients. And the EM1 I use add a wide variety of beneficial bacteria to my soil and it balances itself out. If there is too much of one and not enough of another the excess die off and the ones that are lacking multiply. It's basically how nature works. I just try to make the right environment for it to work.
 

Kingrow1

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I also add bokashi progro and some EM1. The bokashi grows mycelium throughout my soil and it works with the roots to collect the nutrients. And the EM1 I use add a wide variety of beneficial bacteria to my soil and it balances itself out. If there is too much of one and not enough of another the excess die off and the ones that are lacking multiply. It's basically how nature works. I just try to make the right environment for it to work.
Nah bro thats how noobs work nature actually works like this.....

Buy cheap ass soil and add water and a seed, all the bacteria and fungi and other micro-organisms in the soil will grow and multiply to epidemic proportions and then proceed to fight each other till every last speck of soil is broken down with no fucking noob additives, boosters and fungi need be added.

The rest is your broscience :-)
 

bearded.beaver

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@Michael Huntherz
I am by no means an expert on anything. I am just trying to mimic nature. And I have no issues with the way other people grow.
I have been trying to understand organic growing techniques but they are so diverse and contradictory it's hard. You have KNF style grows, you have organic hydroponics, you have aquaponics, sips style grows throws everything I learned in the air. SIPS style growing utilizes anaerobics where if going in a fabric pot it aerobic. The thing is that they all work. They are just different. Just like our planet there are different ecosystems and subecosystems. Plants have developed over time to grow on the tops of mountains to the bottom of valleys. From rainforests to lava fields. there is no ONE way to do things. There is no Best. The thing is to try a method and then develope it to work with you, the way you grow, your environment and continue to try to improve. Or try different styles until you find what you like. I grow out doors and indoors. I grow in fabric pots and sips and outdoor right in the ground. I love to grow things and I do different things for different styles of grow. Next winter I'm going to try a dwc hydro setup and an flood and drain. It's about the experience of growing learning all the way
 

bearded.beaver

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@Kingrow1
I agree. I've done that. I used the cheapest bag of soil I could find. Some black earth that had plastic all through it. I didn't add anything to it. Didn't even water just let rain water it. I still had a harvest. Hey what ever works for you all the power to ya. Happy growing
 

Jimdamick

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@Jimdamick
I do know what I'm adding. I am adding microbes and life to my soil. My soil mix itself is based on Clackamas Coot's recipe soil my soil has all the nutrient the plant needs. When adding earth worm castings and kelp meal add microbes and food for the microbes. It's the microbes in the soil that break down nutrients to feed my plant. The plants roots put out exudates which feed/tell the right microbes to bring in the nutrients the plant needs at the proper time. Nature has been doing it that way since the beginning. And the microbes will bloom and die off as they are needed naturally. All I need to do now is top dress with a wide variety of food for my microbes and the plant and microbes do the rest. The only time you might have deficiencies or excess amounts of anything is in the beginning as the soil is balancing itself out.
You have only 90 days to establish a viable root system in an indoor grow.
Your talking like creating a healthy soil indoors takes weeks, it doesn't, it takes months for the microbes to develop into a healthy system, and by that time your plant is finished.
So, my point is this.
In an indoor grow, in soil pots which usually are around 3 gallons, or even 5 gallons, the activity of microbes needed to breakdown nutes in the span of 8 weeks ain't gonna happen, it's fucking impossible, and expecting to develop a healthy, living soil is a pipe dream.
Soil does become contaminated, and reusing it time and time again is counterproductive to the simple fact that I needed to grow the best plant possible in the shortest time available, so I used to use fresh soil every grow until I went pure hydro.
Soil is a wonderful thing in a perfect world, but indoors, without natural rainfall to cleanse it, or worms to break down dead organic matter and other microbes to de-toxify it, it sucks.
That's why I have been growing hydro for the last 20 years, because soil actually sucks for indoor grows.
 

Jimdamick

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I like your theory but my 3 week veg plant is proof.

Bring something to the table worth eating.

I wonder who gives the rainforest fresh soil? Oh wait, that's only a cannabis grower thing lol

Get outta here with your theories before I slap ya with some science.
How long have you been trying to grow indoors?
 

bearded.beaver

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@Jimdamick
I agree about the pot size. 3 and 5 gallon pots are too small.
I use two 15 gallon fabric geopots and two earth boxes they are approximately 19 gallons I think.
And after mixing my soil and adding the (bokashi bran and earth worm casting)
Letting it balance itself our for a month or so. So yes it does take time but that is only your first round. But it's like that with any soil mix
 

bearded.beaver

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And if your goal of living soil is use over and over. So yes it may take a little while for your soil to get fully up and running but it can be used over and as long as you keep feeding it.
 

bearded.beaver

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@Jimdamick
I still don't understand how your soil get contaminated?
Contaminated with what?
You say about worms and rainfall to clean your soil, well then add worms and collect rain water. And the microbes are being added when ewc teas, top dressing and EM1.
All the thing that you are saying are part of growing in living soil.
Just like hydro has its own problems. Power outages, pump failure, hard water/soft water, pH of water up/down,
Having to purchase all your nutrients, pH up down. Ppm/ec meters, pH meters, plus the run off of salt based nutrients contaminate local water systems. Having to replace you grow medium which is contaminated with salt based nutrients.
With living soils if you want to make a fresh batch you can just dump your soil in your back yard and there is only positives to that. If you dump salt filled soil or coco in your back yard you will leach all those salts that built up into your yard. Negative.
 

Kingrow1

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I question why one would goto the lengths to create true soil indoors when a simple potting soil and right fert will work equally as well.

:-)
 

bearded.beaver

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Flushing isn't required when growing in living soil. Flushing is only required when using chemical nutrients. They use salts because salts causes the plant to be (Thirsty) and drawn in more. So it akin to force feeding. The plant is getting the NPK it needs but the source is combined with salt. That is why you have to flush when using chemical nutrients. When growing in a living soil the nutrients are broken down by bacteria, fungus, microbes and make plant available without using the salt to force the plant to uptake it.
 

Kingrow1

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@Kingrow1
It's cheaper, it's a personal preference. And the taste of the finished product is better. Higher brix. More sustainable. Environmentaly friendly.

State the reason organics produces superior bud?

The actual reason is the more diverse forms of single elements, a salt fert has say ten or so, seaweed over a hundred so you get more forms of chromium, nitrogen, phosphorus etc etc etc.

This is just as easily achieved in potting soil and organic ferts like fishmix and seaweed, aint no need to go any futher into organics.

Some act like eco warriors here, drop that and just focus on how much you can grow, why jimdamick went hydro, why i just run lo tech organics :-)
 

bearded.beaver

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@Kingrow1
That's cool. I'm not a tree hugging eco warrior. I was was just trying to get to the point that there is no need to flush organics. And there is no build up of contamination in an organic grow.
I have no problem with any type of grow as long as it's not filled with harmful chemical pesticides or molds
 
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