How Not To Grow Dope

Indivine

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I'm not sure what your asking...but you can keep a marijuana plant for as long as you can keep it alive. I know a person that has had her plant for 30 years...it looks different then a normal pot plant since she has harvested it several times.

The vine like pattren sounds odd...only thing I can think of is that the plants are all intertwined together...and it's a darkend area where the plants are stretching like crazy to find light.
thanks for the reply. i was thinking that the light may be an issue too because it's in a forest with ferns, poison ivy and whatever else you can think of. and because i was wondering that i took one out. and i suppose i could have mentioned it's doing the same thing under two 24'' 10,000K lights from my old saltwater tank just a couple inches above it on an 11/13 schedule. i haven't been to the area in about 2 weeks now. i figure less is better to avoid attention. but i'll be going tonight i hope. i need to brace the ''arms'' with wire poked through styrofoam sheet or it just hangs down away from the light (not the ones in the forest, lol). i know this is weird, that's why i'm posting. i'm going to let it all seed up and find other areas next year to plant it. it's pretty undetectable as far as i can see. after all, it's been next to a path for years and still there. could be a good thing, huh?
 

Indivine

Member
ok. i checked on them.same thing but i'll elaborate a little of things i forgot to mention. my questions are clear i thought but maybe not. i know how it goes sometimes. my main question is has anyone heard of mary growing vine like all on it's own? it's not ''exactly'' a vine. it just branches of in so many different long skinny shoots and kind of just ''crawls along'' in several directions with small dense clumps of leaves (5 or 6 in a spot) with some shooting of new stems from almost each clump. then this continues over and over again.

something else is puzzling me now too.

every pot plant i've seen or seen pics of seem to be one main stalk from the ground of one root set. these and the one i transplanted have 2 or more stalks coming from the same roots. the one i trans-planted has 4 total. 2 are real small yet and started a couple days ago. is this normal? just seems odd to me, but like i said, i'm new at this whole thing when it comes to how they grow.

is this stuff above, any of it, normal? or is it, any of it, abnormal? :?
 

Indivine

Member
ok then. the lack of replies says it doesn't exist i guess. i must be wrong, maybe it just looks and smells like it but ain't it. but i ain't gonna smoke it to find out, lol. oh well, it was worth a look anyway.:wall:
 

Indivine

Member
ok. i did some heavy reading and made some asumptions. i want to write them down hoping someone with knowledge will say ''yea'' or ''nay'' to all or some. i'll write what i've learned you be the judge?

disclaimer... this might be a ''mythical'' situation.:fire: or it may be true:clap:.... for LEO!!

by the little i found through searches and email contacts on the subject of a true creeper strain and the comments that i can remember from the guy who had the seeds he tossed in this area. his word's were something like this. (been over 20 years so something is gonna get lost maybe?)

''this is really hard to grow inside i guess, the dude i get it from gave up and is using a small greenhouse and he said it's still relly hard to do, hydroponics don't even work. he's a student at the U for horticulture. a buddy i went to school with since we were in grade school. he said it's really a bitch. he got the seeds from some guy in his class. i don't know much more but he said it's not even a good idea to grow it outside for whatever reason.''

i can only remember some other things we talked about that had nothing to do with the growing part of the plant, he never mentioned ''creeper''. he just kept saying the best weed on the planet. after smoking it everything else is pretty fuzzy. well, really fuzzy actually.

from other bits and pieces doing a search and corespondence.. true creeper from what i can gather is a tropical, deep in the jungle strain. only known/found to grow in the remote areas of the rainforests in south america. it's rare and widely unknown, and considered a ''myth''. some who claim to have knowledge of it have said it should be considered a sub-species. there's ruderalis, indica, sativa and this should be considered the fourth. like ruderalis it might be a different one alltogether. anything beyond that i can't find anything.

so based on this and reading ..my asumptions... marijuana is extremely adaptable to it's surroundings. it will over time become a different animal altogether by sending some genes dormant and awaking others if conditions demand it. in the tropical regions, where it's possibly from, the demand for more resin than in the colder regions would lower the content through the years because the conditions no longer demand it. durring the past 20+ years this plant should have adapted to the new regions' conditions and become a completely new strain with some of the attributes dormant. there but just not needed. other dormant traits would come to the fore and allow it to survive and become a very stable plant, ready to be bred in less hard to emulate conditions. essentially allowing itself to grow inside a region with more than one season. only time will tell if it's any good anymore. maybe november, lol.

what i'm seeing... what i think is the mother root-set sends out mutiple stalks like spider legs. i found one with 11, one with the 7 mentioned before and a few with several, and some still brand new (apparently, could be another plant that rooted and broke away who knows?). the stalks grow about three inches above ground and angle toward the ground and spread vine-like over the top of the forest floor. on top of old leaves, sticks and low lying foliage like poison ivy, and is climbing on and up the berry bushes there. the branches snake out from the root and every two to four inches a clump of six or seven five part, short and wide leaves form, some dark, some lighter but not bright. none to date (leaves) are any more round than the top of a soda can. from some of these clumps, branches shoot out and continue just like the stalk. sometimes the shoots or the original stalk is directed under another plant or stick or whatever and the node contacts the ground and re-roots. this basicly starts another plant shooting off in several directions, and the process is started all over again. this is why i'm never sure if i'm looking at the original root-set or a new one. what this means is pretty amazing i think. it means from one seed there's a whole crop forming. ''one'' seed. i counted 30 plants interconnected and there was more, i just wanted to leave because i figured i was hanging around to long. lol, got paranoid. anyway, i see no signs of flowering yet. the stalks and shoots are at no point larger than about 1/8 of an inch, maybe 3/16ths so far and i see no signs they will get bigger. the stalks are clearish green and red and look like they are brand new or fresh and the same from beggining to end. tiny hairs are all along the length of the shoots and stalks. all are soft and delicate. they bend without breaking, and have no snapping sound to date. but after bending the shoot or stalk above the bend dies and from the clump just below the bend another shoot forms and grows out. most of the plant is crawling right on the ground or whatever is on top of the ground. after it leaves the root it never goes up again, except little humps here and there, unless it's climbing something.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
how about baby food? insomil or infamil or whatever eh eh? dude did you see that ingredient list wow!
Stoney will surely be looking into that oh-so-clever idea one day soon.

In the meantime, save the baby food for your baby. Your cannabis plants won't want much to do with it.

all five leaf, broad and dark green. the strange thing is, these plants are growing like a fucking vine.
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or it's a myth related to ''creeper'' weed being a vine, blah, blah. nowhere have i read of anyone knowing they really exist ''for sure''. keep in mind this area is not too far off the
Cannabis plants will produce 3 to 5 bladed fan leaves when they're very tiny seedlings. When they get larger, they can have 7, 9 or 11. Depends on the size and maturity of the plant. Can't recall seeing fan leaves on any plant with more than 11 blades.

'Creeper' refers to a high which is slow to come on. It's actually just an excuse for weak weed. Nothing to do with a cannabis plant which grows as a vine... because there's no such thing.

most of the plant is crawling right on the ground or whatever is on top of the ground. after it leaves the root it never goes up again, except little humps here and there, unless it's climbing something.
Beats the hell out of me what you're looking at but one thing's certain- it's not cannabis.
 
I have to admit. that was funny as hell. Although I am one of those guys who got a seed or two to sprout, then decided to grow. BUT, I am on lay-off at the moment and have most of the funds and a ton of ambition to do this right (make my Daddy proud. R.I.P. Pops) I hope that the research that I've done and will continue to do, will turn into a wonderful hobby. Thankfully, there are site such as this one with tons of experience within it, that are help us Newbies along. and I promise not to be one of the chodes that will tell you "ever-so-knowledgable" peeps that your facts are wrong. you guys fuckin' rock-thank you a ton and of course, thnx again for all the insanely helpful tips and tricks. :weed:
 

redivider

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'Creeper' refers to a high which is slow to come on. It's actually just an excuse for weak weed. Nothing to do with a cannabis plant which grows as a vine... because there's no such thing.
i will have to contradict you on that one... back home we buy what we buy as "creepy", which is some hydro' ..... and really REALLY good.... but when toked it actually takes a lil while for the high to hit you.... as a personal anecdote I used to take about 3-4 hits in the parking lot in my university.... would be completely straight for the walk to the classroom and would reach my seat completely stoned... and remain stoned for the whole 1hr30 min class.....
 

BigBudBalls

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Dman man! When did you sneak back?

Stoney will surely be looking into that oh-so-clever idea one day soon.

In the meantime, save the baby food for your baby. Your cannabis plants won't want much to do with it.



Cannabis plants will produce 3 to 5 bladed fan leaves when they're very tiny seedlings. When they get larger, they can have 7, 9 or 11. Depends on the size and maturity of the plant. Can't recall seeing fan leaves on any plant with more than 11 blades.

'Creeper' refers to a high which is slow to come on. It's actually just an excuse for weak weed. Nothing to do with a cannabis plant which grows as a vine... because there's no such thing.



Beats the hell out of me what you're looking at but one thing's certain- it's not cannabis.
 

MrFishy

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BBB, talk about sneaking back in here. Did ya see the post where the "pro" said 1000hps is much brighter than the sun!
Some peoples' kids.
 

BigBudBalls

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BBB, talk about sneaking back in here. Did ya see the post where the "pro" said 1000hps is much brighter than the sun!
Some peoples' kids.
Well he is probably right, the 1000HS is brighter then the sun, if you check the light right up next to it and compare the Sun's output, say on Neptune.

(yeah, Ive been lurking. Not growing, and may not until next winter or the following. Just hanging mainly in indoor and room design forums)
 

Indivine

Member
posted by al b fuct'Creeper' refers to a high which is slow to come on. It's actually just an excuse for weak weed. Nothing to do with a cannabis plant which grows as a vine... because there's no such thing..... Beats the hell out of me what you're looking at but one thing's certain- it's not cannabis....

believe me, i'm doing everything i can to convince myself it ain't cannabis, aside from smokeing it. the biggest problem i'm having with convinceing myself it's not are these reasons.

the area that is growing these plants is maybe 40 or 50 foot squared give or take. the entire park is about 4 miles squared. the problem i'm having is i transplanted a few in more sunny areas. i searched most of the park looking for good spots that will be hidden well. in my searches i looked everywhere, and i mean all over the place. all similar areas to where i found it have zero plants like it anywhere. there are plants growing just like every plant that is around these plants all over the park. but in no other area is this plant growing. not one spot anywhere. it would HAVE to be growing some friggin' where. couple that with the fact that i was partying in this spot with a guy that tossed seeds from some plant that... you read the story above. keep in mind i said the area is 40 or 50 feet squared. that means i walked the barrier of it and it just stops at that point. it starts at the exact spot he threw those seeds. we had the picnic table right where i see them begin. the weirdest part is it (the crop of plants) only goes straight toward the inner forest and not toward the street. there's better light toward the forest so that must be why. and finally when i burn the leaves it smells like pot. kinda leafy, yeah, but like any leaf from pot i ever smelled.

i agree 100% that cannabis like this doesn't exist. i'm not a botanist but i know a few things.. i'm an information whore.... and i won't believe this is what i think it might be untill i see some buds i can try out. also the transplanted ones are in a nice sunny area and after the re-root of an arm i'll see if it goes straght up and it was just lack of light making it do it. but it does it under two 24'' 10,000K CF from my old saltwater tank. the bulbs are made for full daylight spectrums to keep coral healthy. since it can do that it can keep anything healthy. coral aint no joke. anyway, only time will tell for sure. thank you for debunking this. i'll be even more skeptical now. and the leaves don't even act like they want to get more than five parts. anyway, thanks again, i'll check back if i find out it is.
 
posted by al b fuct'Creeper' refers to a high which is slow to come on. It's actually just an excuse for weak weed. Nothing to do with a cannabis plant which grows as a vine... because there's no such thing..... Beats the hell out of me what you're looking at but one thing's certain- it's not cannabis....

believe me, i'm doing everything i can to convince myself it ain't cannabis, aside from smokeing it. the biggest problem i'm having with convinceing myself it's not are these reasons.

the area that is growing these plants is maybe 40 or 50 foot squared give or take. the entire park is about 4 miles squared. the problem i'm having is i transplanted a few in more sunny areas. i searched most of the park looking for good spots that will be hidden well. in my searches i looked everywhere, and i mean all over the place. all similar areas to where i found it have zero plants like it anywhere. there are plants growing just like every plant that is around these plants all over the park. but in no other area is this plant growing. not one spot anywhere. it would HAVE to be growing some friggin' where. couple that with the fact that i was partying in this spot with a guy that tossed seeds from some plant that... you read the story above. keep in mind i said the area is 40 or 50 feet squared. that means i walked the barrier of it and it just stops at that point. it starts at the exact spot he threw those seeds. we had the picnic table right where i see them begin. the weirdest part is it (the crop of plants) only goes straight toward the inner forest and not toward the street. there's better light toward the forest so that must be why. and finally when i burn the leaves it smells like pot. kinda leafy, yeah, but like any leaf from pot i ever smelled.

i agree 100% that cannabis like this doesn't exist. i'm not a botanist but i know a few things.. i'm an information whore.... and i won't believe this is what i think it might be untill i see some buds i can try out. also the transplanted ones are in a nice sunny area and after the re-root of an arm i'll see if it goes straght up and it was just lack of light making it do it. but it does it under two 24'' 10,000K CF from my old saltwater tank. the bulbs are made for full daylight spectrums to keep coral healthy. since it can do that it can keep anything healthy. coral aint no joke. anyway, only time will tell for sure. thank you for debunking this. i'll be even more skeptical now. and the leaves don't even act like they want to get more than five parts. anyway, thanks again, i'll check back if i find out it is.
Pics please.

:blsmoke:
 

Indivine

Member
Pics please.

:blsmoke:
i'd like to think i could but due to the nature of the beast i don't think it's a good idea to put any pics on any sites promoting cannabis. laws can change and if a seed seller got raided they would have info to find me by siezing computers, wouldn't they? and like any, they would go straight for pictures. sure a site owner could stop and everythings ok, but i don't know that owners would so i don't put illegal pics anywhere. right now it's hear say and not persuable.

too bad too, because i'm seeing a pistil on one clump that looks like any i've seen in pics. but i'll let y'all know for sure soon enough.:weed: ...i still ain't sure.
 

Indivine

Member
[enough.:weed: ...i still ain't sure.[/QUOTE]

sorry for wasteing your time everybody. it's not cannabis. i found out what it is finally. oh well. it'll make a nic filler for my gate, lol. again, sorry and good day. :wall:
 

svchop889

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yeah i know what it is your talking about to dont feel bad though i thought it was weed too when i was thirteen never smoked it though.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
i will have to contradict you on that one... back home we buy what we buy as "creepy", which is some hydro' .....
yes, I know that different pot gets called a lot of different things owing to the usual disconnect between growers and smokers. 'Creeper' does generally refer to weed that gives a very slow onset buzz- and the only reason for slow onset is low THC content.

Dman man! When did you sneak back?
mmm, I'm usually around on the periphery. I just don't have time to look in on the cannabis boards every day like I once did.

BBB, talk about sneaking back in here. Did ya see the post where the "pro" said 1000hps is much brighter than the sun!
Some peoples' kids.
Believe it or not, a 1000HPS at minimum spacing (cooltubed of course) delivers greater intensity than high-noon sunlight at most latitudes. Sunlight is good for about 1kW/m^2 in the most densely populated areas of the planet (20-50 degrees away from the equator).

two 24'' 10,000K CF from my old saltwater tank. the bulbs are made for full daylight spectrums to keep coral healthy.
10,000K is far too blue for cannabis and cannabis isn't coral. 10,000K might be great for coral as it lives underwater and the short wavelength would be better at penetrating a shallow depth of water than light at longer (more red) wavelengths.

i'd like to think i could but due to the nature of the beast i don't think it's a good idea to put any pics on any sites promoting cannabis. laws can change and if a seed seller got raided they would have info to find me by siezing computers, wouldn't they?
If you edit your pics (i.e. resize with photoshop, etc) before posting them, the EXIF data identifying the camera and the settings used when taking the pic are stripped out. If you use a proxy for connecting to the pot board, not even the admin of the board you're posting to will know your actual IP address. If you buy beans from an online vendor, you naturally will not be giving info remotely resembling the address you are growing at.

mayb stoney should try it to see if it was weed?
Stoney would smoke lawn clips, so I'm not so sure I'd rely on his expertise. ;)

i've read this a few times and it still makes me laugh
Don't worry, it still makes me larf, too. ;)
 

milowerx96

Active Member
Man I have been growing like this for years rooky. lol this is awsome Mtn. Dew is soooo fuckin nasty. funny thread

  1. Decide while stoned to become a weed baron
  2. Plant leftover bagseeds and go looking for lights
  3. Try to steal neighbor's floodlights, burn fingers, go to plan B after healing up
  4. Buy incandescent halogen lights at OfficeJerks cos they look real bright and one blacklight over at the head shop cos it's purpleyness is cool as fuck and makes the Jimi Hendrix velvet poster glow something wicked
  5. 4 out of 72 seeds sprout, fuckin ace!
  6. All 4 get stretchy, fall over and die
  7. Put the black light a little closer to cheer it up
  8. Smoked the dried out seedling, gave me a headache, so I planted some more bagseeds
  9. Dug out Uncle Bob's marijuana grow book from 1972, marveled at nail-thru-stem technique for improving potency
  10. 9 out of 147 sprout, fuckin ace!
  11. Put a pound of nails in salty water to get em good and rusty
  12. All 9 get stretchy, fall over and die
  13. I figured they wasn't getting enough light, so I stole granny's big ole heat lamp and a couple of headlights from some passing cars (damn they're hard to grab at stoplights)
  14. Planted more seeds, put more bullshit and a couple of dead fish in soil mix this time (hey it worked for the Indians and the Pilgrims)
  15. Neighbours complained about the shitty fish smell, I told them to rack off, so they called the cops, who confiscated all the 'evidence.'
  16. Saw story on Fox News about wicked intarwebs sites about marijuana growing warping kids brains, figured I wasn't warped enough
  17. Found pot growing website, figured I'd do a big favor for all those newbie idiots who'd never planted a seed and show em how to do it
  18. Typed Uncle Bob's entire 1972 Yippie Underground growbook into the pot growing website, waited for praises to flow in
  19. No one said nothing, so I typed it in again IN ALL CAPS SO THEY COULD READ IT BETTER
  20. Decided I'd hang around and learn something, there's this guy who says his friend's uncle's brother in law once knew a guy who grew like POUNDAGE in an old refrigerator
  21. Stole a refrigerator and put all my halogen lights in it along with a 5000 watt security light I found on top of a football stadium
  22. Planted 693 more seeds in old coconut shells and put a half a box of Miracle Gro granules on each one
  23. One sprouted and it screamed at me to kill it before it had to spend another second in that damn fridge
  24. Gave up tryin to be a weed baron
  25. Got stoned again decided to put the Arabs out of biz with a car the will run on leftover Mountain Dew
  26. Broke into a vending machine and stole 900 cans of Mountain Dew
  27. and so on...
 
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