ok so it is my first grow and I am nervous of getting nutrient lock I am using jungle juice Grow its a 3 part and cal mag how often is it ok to feed with nutes so far my plantes are like 19 days old and I only given one feeding the other day for the first time. But I don't know how often to give them nutes. I check the bottle and it didn't say so I fi I would turn to my fellow peers. Here are some pics of my plants I am growing a cross sour d and poison kush and a cross blue Magoo with Landrace. Please let me know how they look I am keeping my PH around 5.9-6.7
How often to give Nutes
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Monitor your runoff ph and ppm. If you see the ph going lower and the ppms going higher, you're feeding too much. For me, I'm at the point of lockout when the runoff ph reaches 5.2-5.4. This happens as the ppms reach 2500. When I saw ppms reaching 2000 I'd cut back, feed with more runoff, or feed water only. (When it was 2000, the runoff was 5.4-5.6.).
Salt buildup reaches lockout usually in early flower. So, now's a good time to start watching your runoff.
You can feed every watering, or every other, or once a week. IMO it's all the same. You'll either feed less every time, or feed more but less often. I prefer feeding every time. Some people feed organic stuff for the soil. They call it inoculates. They will alternate between feed and inoculate. The idea being that the synthetic nutrients aren't healthy for whatever the organic/inoculate stuff is. (I don't understand this. But, that's generally the reasoning.).
I thought Jungle Juice was for hydro. Basically a copy of GH Flora 3-part. If that's true, that's not the ideal product for soil. I'd recommend you switch to a soil nutrient next time. (I use Grow More Sea Grow. Jack's Classic is good.).
Salt buildup reaches lockout usually in early flower. So, now's a good time to start watching your runoff.
You can feed every watering, or every other, or once a week. IMO it's all the same. You'll either feed less every time, or feed more but less often. I prefer feeding every time. Some people feed organic stuff for the soil. They call it inoculates. They will alternate between feed and inoculate. The idea being that the synthetic nutrients aren't healthy for whatever the organic/inoculate stuff is. (I don't understand this. But, that's generally the reasoning.).
I thought Jungle Juice was for hydro. Basically a copy of GH Flora 3-part. If that's true, that's not the ideal product for soil. I'd recommend you switch to a soil nutrient next time. (I use Grow More Sea Grow. Jack's Classic is good.).
I went a it flora grow flora bloom and flora micro I am going to use that from now on I only used the jungle juice once so I think switching will be ok how do the plants look?Monitor your runoff ph and ppm. If you see the ph going lower and the ppms going higher, you're feeding too much. For me, I'm at the point of lockout when the runoff ph reaches 5.2-5.4. This happens as the ppms reach 2500. When I saw ppms reaching 2000 I'd cut back, feed with more runoff, or feed water only. (When it was 2000, the runoff was 5.4-5.6.).
Salt buildup reaches lockout usually in early flower. So, now's a good time to start watching your runoff.
You can feed every watering, or every other, or once a week. IMO it's all the same. You'll either feed less every time, or feed more but less often. I prefer feeding every time. Some people feed organic stuff for the soil. They call it inoculates. They will alternate between feed and inoculate. The idea being that the synthetic nutrients aren't healthy for whatever the organic/inoculate stuff is. (I don't understand this. But, that's generally the reasoning.).
I thought Jungle Juice was for hydro. Basically a copy of GH Flora 3-part. If that's true, that's not the ideal product for soil. I'd recommend you switch to a soil nutrient next time. (I use Grow More Sea Grow. Jack's Classic is good.).
The plants look great. I didn't understand about Flora, and using something just once. You probably don't want to change things too much. But, someday (when you start a new grow) you'll want to use a soil fertilizer product, not hydro. It will be substantially less expensive too. I pay about $1 per plant, per grow.I went a it flora grow flora bloom and flora micro I am going to use that from now on I only used the jungle juice once so I think switching will be ok how do the plants look?
General hydroponics Flora grow it is a soil base fertilizer I thoughtThe plants look great. I didn't understand about Flora, and using something just once. You probably don't want to change things too much. But, someday (when you start a new grow) you'll want to use a soil fertilizer product, not hydro. It will be substantially less expensive too. I pay about $1 per plant, per grow.
Basically what I was meanin is I have only given my plants that jungle juice one time the other day they have never had it before or after and the new fertilizer I'm using is floral bloom floral grow and floral microThe plants look great. I didn't understand about Flora, and using something just once. You probably don't want to change things too much. But, someday (when you start a new grow) you'll want to use a soil fertilizer product, not hydro. It will be substantially less expensive too. I pay about $1 per plant, per grow.
That's not soil, it's hydro. It will work in soil. I grew with it for a long time, following the so-called useless schedule.General hydroponics Flora grow it is a soil base fertilizer I thought
I suggest that you consider a soil product after you grow a time or two with GH Flora. Such as GH's General Organic's brand. I think you'll have better results and you'll save money if you go with ordinary (not cannabis-specific) like Jack's Classic or Grow More Sea Grow.
When you where using flora grow and bloom did you yield good or was it average? I am growing a sour D kush. From what i have read most of everyone is using the flora grow that's why I went with it. So a soil based fertilizer is the way to go. My next grow I will get soil that has all the nutes in it and some of the GH organtic. I was going to go with that but i could only find 16oz bottles for the same price as the 32oz bottle of the flora bloom and grow and micro. Thanks for all he help. I am only growing enough for me I am not trying to sell any, but still would like to get good yields so it's worth the electric and money and Time out inThat's not soil, it's hydro. It will work in soil. I grew with it for a long time, following the so-called useless schedule.
I suggest that you consider a soil product after you grow a time or two with GH Flora. Such as GH's General Organic's brand. I think you'll have better results and you'll save money if you go with ordinary (not cannabis-specific) like Jack's Classic or Grow More Sea Grow.
My results were good. I feel the smoke was harsher. The nutrients were more immediately available being synthetic and chelated. If I overfed I got immediate feedback from the plants (burnt tips). When I switched to soil nutrients (Grow More Sea Grow, which is synthetic and organic) the nutrients seemed more buffered. If I overfed they just sat in the soil and turned into salt buildup which presented itself in early flower as nute lockout. (When I reduced nutes to avoid that everything worked fine. It was just confusing to me because I was used to the immediate feedback using entirely synthetic nutes.).When you where using flora grow and bloom did you yield good or was it average?
I haven't grown that way. I like to be more in control of what the plants receive through the grow. It seems like people who use soil "that has all the nutes in it" either have problems with burn and deficiencies. Or, they spend a lot of time composting/cooking their soil.My next grow I will get soil that has all the nutes in it
There are commercial organic products like Roots Organic. From what I've read, these don't produce as well as DIY organic.
For me, Sea Grow is working well. Enough organic parts to encourage soil activity, enough synthetic to not depend entire on soil activity for availability of nutrients. It seems like a good balance to me. I like it because it's simple and inexpensive. Not cannabis-themed. Not a hydro shop boutique product. I harvested this recently. The details of how I grow, what I feed, are on the next page of that thread.
I'm sure you'll be happy with GH Flora. But, you're not promoting your soil biology. You can use Liquid Karma or some other humic/fulvic/kelp/enzyme product to help with that. But, eventually it works better (IMO) to include more organics. (Might be even better to go entirely organic. But the cost/time to do that doesn't seem worth it to me considering how well this blend of synthetic/organic works.).
If you're going to get into soil feeding, read Teaming with Microbes. That's a good orientation.
Wow them buds look great. I am hoping to get 90-120 grams per plant. I hope it's possiableMy results were good. I feel the smoke was harsher. The nutrients were more immediately available being synthetic and chelated. If I overfed I got immediate feedback from the plants (burnt tips). When I switched to soil nutrients (Grow More Sea Grow, which is synthetic and organic) the nutrients seemed more buffered. If I overfed they just sat in the soil and turned into salt buildup which presented itself in early flower as nute lockout. (When I reduced nutes to avoid that everything worked fine. It was just confusing to me because I was used to the immediate feedback using entirely synthetic nutes.).
I haven't grown that way. I like to be more in control of what the plants receive through the grow. It seems like people who use soil "that has all the nutes in it" either have problems with burn and deficiencies. Or, they spend a lot of time composting/cooking their soil.
There are commercial organic products like Roots Organic. From what I've read, these don't produce as well as DIY organic.
For me, Sea Grow is working well. Enough organic parts to encourage soil activity, enough synthetic to not depend entire on soil activity for availability of nutrients. It seems like a good balance to me. I like it because it's simple and inexpensive. Not cannabis-themed. Not a hydro shop boutique product. I harvested this recently. The details of how I grow, what I feed, are on the next page of that thread.
I'm sure you'll be happy with GH Flora. But, you're not promoting your soil biology. You can use Liquid Karma or some other humic/fulvic/kelp/enzyme product to help with that. But, eventually it works better (IMO) to include more organics. (Might be even better to go entirely organic. But the cost/time to do that doesn't seem worth it to me considering how well this blend of synthetic/organic works.).
If you're going to get into soil feeding, read Teaming with Microbes. That's a good orientation.
I think the greatest variable will be how long you veg and the final size of container. I've gone 12/12 after 2-3 weeks veg. I got 20-30g per plant in 1/2-gal containers. When I go 6 weeks veg I get 150 to 240g from plants in 2.5-gal containers (#3 containers). The ones with shorter veg times finished faster. So, it's a tradeoff between smaller yields more often.Wow them buds look great. I am hoping to get 90-120 grams per plant. I hope it's possiable
Next will be the intensity of the light. I get 0.9 to 1.3 grams per watt. The more watts, the more grams per square foot. (To a limit. You start having diminishing returns at some point. For the LEDs I use, 30-35w/sq ft is ideal. 40 would be getting into diminishing returns. T5HO is 40w/sq ft, with 50 getting into diminishing returns.
Try the "useless" schedule. It worked well. It's right at the limit of what the plants can take. It's tedious mixing all those ratios through the grow.
If you followed the GH Flora label, this is what you'd feed:
GH label (full strength):
--------------- R A T I O S
---------------- N-P-K ---------- K-Mg-Ca ------- PPM
Seedlings -- 1.21-1.00-1.82 -- 5.48-1.00-2.67 --- 164
Mild veg --- 1.21-1.00-1.82 -- 5.48-1.00-2.67 --- 656
Aggr veg --- 2.07-1.00-2.98 -- 7.98-1.00-3.57 --- 1203
Transition - 1.21-1.00-1.82 -- 5.48-1.00-2.67 --- 1313
Flower ----- 1.00-1.28-1.59 -- 4.00-1.00-2.12 --- 1423
The ppms are too high, so you'd cut the label's dose in half. But, that gives you an idea of what GH recommends.
If you use the "useless" schedule[1]:
--------------- R A T I O S
-------- N-P-K ----------- K-Mg-Ca -------- PPM
VEG
week-1 1.32-1.00-2.41 -- 6.76-1.00-2.15 --- 418
week-2 1.85-1.00-3.06 -- 8.08-1.00-2.82 --- 721
week-3 2.06-1.00-3.31 -- 8.54-1.00-3.07 --- 830 [2]
BLOOM
week-1 1.00-1.29-1.88 -- 4.54-1.00-1.77 --- 1020
week-2 1.00-1.47-1.70 -- 3.75-1.00-1.90 --- 1065
week-3 1.00-1.52-1.71 -- 3.65-1.00-1.88 --- 1218
week-4 1.00-1.72-1.87 -- 3.53-1.00-1.66 --- 1334
week-5 1.00-2.21-2.25 -- 3.33-1.00-1.31 --- 1395 [3]
week-6 1.00-2.70-2.36 -- 2.91-1.00-1.23 --- 1421
week-7 1.00-3.16-2.72 -- 2.88-1.00-1.05 --- 1384
That's the results using the unmodified schedule. However, I added GH liquid Koolbloom (LKB) during flower, and powdered Koolbloom (PKB) the final week (prior to 10 days of water only). The following is how it turned out:
week-2 1.00-1.92-2.16 -- 4.75-1.00-1.90 -- 1275 [4]
week-3 1.00-2.12-2.31 -- 4.95-1.00-1.88 -- 1534 [5]
week-4 1.00-2.53-2.68 -- 5.07-1.00-1.66 -- 1755 [6]
week-5 1.00-4.09-3.34 -- 5.07-1.00-1.22 -- 1165 [7]
[1] Useless schedule: http://forum.growkind.com/showthread.php?t=35174#.UmIsPhDK7Kc
[2] Repeat until bloom.
[3] Cut dose in half if using bloom booster.
[4] 2ml/gal LKB
[5] 3ml/gal LKB
[6] 4ml/gal LKB
[7] Cut base nutes in half, as described in the Useless schedule. Use 1.25g/gal PKB.
I got those numbers from the spreadsheet mentioned in the GrowMore thread linked to in a previous post. You can use that spreadsheet to see what you're doing and compare to those numbers. For example, if you add calmag that has N, your NPK ratios would be different.
I think all that stuff is too expensive. You can get those ratios with anything, like inexpensive Jack's Classic. But, you should do ok if you follow the above.
I have one 400 watt MH for veg and a 400 watt HPS for flower in a 3.5x2 area I think I'm looking at 3 square feet so I think I'm pushing around 75 watts a square foot I am growing 4 plants I have test you can grow like 8-10 with one 400 watt MH/HPS I'm getting 55,000 lumens a square foot for sureI think the greatest variable will be how long you veg and the final size of container. I've gone 12/12 after 2-3 weeks veg. I got 20-30g per plant in 1/2-gal containers. When I go 6 weeks veg I get 150 to 240g from plants in 2.5-gal containers (#3 containers). The ones with shorter veg times finished faster. So, it's a tradeoff between smaller yields more often.
Next will be the intensity of the light. I get 0.9 to 1.3 grams per watt. The more watts, the more grams per square foot. (To a limit. You start having diminishing returns at some point. For the LEDs I use, 30-35w/sq ft is ideal. 40 would be getting into diminishing returns. T5HO is 40w/sq ft, with 50 getting into diminishing returns.
Try the "useless" schedule. It worked well. It's right at the limit of what the plants can take. It's tedious mixing all those ratios through the grow.
If you followed the GH Flora label, this is what you'd feed:
GH label (full strength):
--------------- R A T I O S
---------------- N-P-K ---------- K-Mg-Ca ------- PPM
Seedlings -- 1.21-1.00-1.82 -- 5.48-1.00-2.67 --- 164
Mild veg --- 1.21-1.00-1.82 -- 5.48-1.00-2.67 --- 656
Aggr veg --- 2.07-1.00-2.98 -- 7.98-1.00-3.57 --- 1203
Transition - 1.21-1.00-1.82 -- 5.48-1.00-2.67 --- 1313
Flower ----- 1.00-1.28-1.59 -- 4.00-1.00-2.12 --- 1423
The ppms are too high, so you'd cut the label's dose in half. But, that gives you an idea of what GH recommends.
If you use the "useless" schedule[1]:
--------------- R A T I O S
-------- N-P-K ----------- K-Mg-Ca -------- PPM
VEG
week-1 1.32-1.00-2.41 -- 6.76-1.00-2.15 --- 418
week-2 1.85-1.00-3.06 -- 8.08-1.00-2.82 --- 721
week-3 2.06-1.00-3.31 -- 8.54-1.00-3.07 --- 830 [2]
BLOOM
week-1 1.00-1.29-1.88 -- 4.54-1.00-1.77 --- 1020
week-2 1.00-1.47-1.70 -- 3.75-1.00-1.90 --- 1065
week-3 1.00-1.52-1.71 -- 3.65-1.00-1.88 --- 1218
week-4 1.00-1.72-1.87 -- 3.53-1.00-1.66 --- 1334
week-5 1.00-2.21-2.25 -- 3.33-1.00-1.31 --- 1395 [3]
week-6 1.00-2.70-2.36 -- 2.91-1.00-1.23 --- 1421
week-7 1.00-3.16-2.72 -- 2.88-1.00-1.05 --- 1384
That's the results using the unmodified schedule. However, I added GH liquid Koolbloom (LKB) during flower, and powdered Koolbloom (PKB) the final week (prior to 10 days of water only). The following is how it turned out:
week-2 1.00-1.92-2.16 -- 4.75-1.00-1.90 -- 1275 [4]
week-3 1.00-2.12-2.31 -- 4.95-1.00-1.88 -- 1534 [5]
week-4 1.00-2.53-2.68 -- 5.07-1.00-1.66 -- 1755 [6]
week-5 1.00-4.09-3.34 -- 5.07-1.00-1.22 -- 1165 [7]
[1] Useless schedule: http://forum.growkind.com/showthread.php?t=35174#.UmIsPhDK7Kc
[2] Repeat until bloom.
[3] Cut dose in half if using bloom booster.
[4] 2ml/gal LKB
[5] 3ml/gal LKB
[6] 4ml/gal LKB
[7] Cut base nutes in half, as described in the Useless schedule. Use 1.25g/gal PKB.
I got those numbers from the spreadsheet mentioned in the GrowMore thread linked to in a previous post. You can use that spreadsheet to see what you're doing and compare to those numbers. For example, if you add calmag that has N, your NPK ratios would be different.
I think all that stuff is too expensive. You can get those ratios with anything, like inexpensive Jack's Classic. But, you should do ok if you follow the above.
Well I think I have powdery mildew. It looks like water spots on my plant on one or two leafs. I bought some organic spray that kills powder mildew I just hope it don't hurt my girls more than the mildew.I think the greatest variable will be how long you veg and the final size of container. I've gone 12/12 after 2-3 weeks veg. I got 20-30g per plant in 1/2-gal containers. When I go 6 weeks veg I get 150 to 240g from plants in 2.5-gal containers (#3 containers). The ones with shorter veg times finished faster. So, it's a tradeoff between smaller yields more often.
Next will be the intensity of the light. I get 0.9 to 1.3 grams per watt. The more watts, the more grams per square foot. (To a limit. You start having diminishing returns at some point. For the LEDs I use, 30-35w/sq ft is ideal. 40 would be getting into diminishing returns. T5HO is 40w/sq ft, with 50 getting into diminishing returns.
Try the "useless" schedule. It worked well. It's right at the limit of what the plants can take. It's tedious mixing all those ratios through the grow.
If you followed the GH Flora label, this is what you'd feed:
GH label (full strength):
--------------- R A T I O S
---------------- N-P-K ---------- K-Mg-Ca ------- PPM
Seedlings -- 1.21-1.00-1.82 -- 5.48-1.00-2.67 --- 164
Mild veg --- 1.21-1.00-1.82 -- 5.48-1.00-2.67 --- 656
Aggr veg --- 2.07-1.00-2.98 -- 7.98-1.00-3.57 --- 1203
Transition - 1.21-1.00-1.82 -- 5.48-1.00-2.67 --- 1313
Flower ----- 1.00-1.28-1.59 -- 4.00-1.00-2.12 --- 1423
The ppms are too high, so you'd cut the label's dose in half. But, that gives you an idea of what GH recommends.
If you use the "useless" schedule[1]:
--------------- R A T I O S
-------- N-P-K ----------- K-Mg-Ca -------- PPM
VEG
week-1 1.32-1.00-2.41 -- 6.76-1.00-2.15 --- 418
week-2 1.85-1.00-3.06 -- 8.08-1.00-2.82 --- 721
week-3 2.06-1.00-3.31 -- 8.54-1.00-3.07 --- 830 [2]
BLOOM
week-1 1.00-1.29-1.88 -- 4.54-1.00-1.77 --- 1020
week-2 1.00-1.47-1.70 -- 3.75-1.00-1.90 --- 1065
week-3 1.00-1.52-1.71 -- 3.65-1.00-1.88 --- 1218
week-4 1.00-1.72-1.87 -- 3.53-1.00-1.66 --- 1334
week-5 1.00-2.21-2.25 -- 3.33-1.00-1.31 --- 1395 [3]
week-6 1.00-2.70-2.36 -- 2.91-1.00-1.23 --- 1421
week-7 1.00-3.16-2.72 -- 2.88-1.00-1.05 --- 1384
That's the results using the unmodified schedule. However, I added GH liquid Koolbloom (LKB) during flower, and powdered Koolbloom (PKB) the final week (prior to 10 days of water only). The following is how it turned out:
week-2 1.00-1.92-2.16 -- 4.75-1.00-1.90 -- 1275 [4]
week-3 1.00-2.12-2.31 -- 4.95-1.00-1.88 -- 1534 [5]
week-4 1.00-2.53-2.68 -- 5.07-1.00-1.66 -- 1755 [6]
week-5 1.00-4.09-3.34 -- 5.07-1.00-1.22 -- 1165 [7]
[1] Useless schedule: http://forum.growkind.com/showthread.php?t=35174#.UmIsPhDK7Kc
[2] Repeat until bloom.
[3] Cut dose in half if using bloom booster.
[4] 2ml/gal LKB
[5] 3ml/gal LKB
[6] 4ml/gal LKB
[7] Cut base nutes in half, as described in the Useless schedule. Use 1.25g/gal PKB.
I got those numbers from the spreadsheet mentioned in the GrowMore thread linked to in a previous post. You can use that spreadsheet to see what you're doing and compare to those numbers. For example, if you add calmag that has N, your NPK ratios would be different.
I think all that stuff is too expensive. You can get those ratios with anything, like inexpensive Jack's Classic. But, you should do ok if you follow the above.