how reliable is K online from places like india ect? i got lots of responses

i dont think you shouldn't have access to pcp but you just shouldn't do it. i personally think the common man should be the police (how many people out 10 are going to let a person do pcp freely?)i have had my ass beat for shit i deserved and i beat some ass for all l types of reasons.. i don't know, now that i look back on what i was saying i dont fully agree with myself, its just i cant believe people like to see shit that isn't real and live in a false reality. i want to see the whole physical universe and mental universe. i have delved deep into my mind without drugs and i believe a state of nirvana can be reached thru natural means and will power. when i sleep my dreams are real, the moments and memory's, the emotions but when i wake up its like vertigo i know where the center of balance is and know whats real, and i fall back into conciseness(plus i have control to stop the trip). i have complete control of my sleep cycle thru years of practice, this is probably similar to tripping except for the fact everything seems super real. and in order to be truly happy in both worlds my mental imaged one and the physical real one that i only affect i have to keep my physical body as strong as i can without submitting to unnatural urges to go back to my dreamland to try and stay because as you degrade in the physical reality your mental one degrades too, unless you have no choice but to go there and that is thru pure will power, Stephan Hawkins is a great example of this, as he can feel/see.measure very little of the things he speaks of, but has almost 3 dimensional view of what he is talking about

Wow drugs dont make you stupid,but this thread says that a few stupid people seem to like drugs,.

Here is the facts -Ketamine is a fully synthetic crystalline chemical that your body cannot process in even the tiniest amounts,it literally destroys your kidneys/liver bladder and any other organs it comes into contact with,alot of my mates have been heavy users,and now get craps,and piss blood and bits of their bladder out!!,I kid you not,stuff is fucking evil,if you want to be gouging away like a smack addict get some heroine,least its organic and your body can break it down,.

Oh and btw,weed isnt a poison is actually acts on the CB1 AND CB2 receptors in your body and brain,do you know what they are??no well one is in your immune system,hence why weed is a medicine,it boosts your immune,and also has an effect on your mind,but is full processable as we have evolved along side using it,for tens of thousands of years,same with mushrooms and most ethenogenes we have useds over the Milena.
Still each to their own

There are currently two known subtypes, termed CB[SUB]1[/SUB] and CB[SUB]2[/SUB].[SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP] The CB[SUB]1[/SUB] receptor is expressed mainly in the brain (central nervous system, CNS), but also in the lungs, liver and kidneys. The CB[SUB]2[/SUB] receptor is expressed mainly in the immune system and in hematopoietic cells.[SUP][7][/SUP] Mounting evidence suggests that there are novel cannabinoid receptors[SUP][8][/SUP] that is, non-CB[SUB]1[/SUB] and non-CB[SUB]2[/SUB], which are expressed in endothelial cells and in the CNS. In 2007, the binding of several cannabinoids to a G protein-coupled receptor (GPCR) in the brain was described.[SUP][9][/SUP]

The protein sequences of CB[SUB]1[/SUB] and CB[SUB]2[/SUB] receptors are about 44% similar.[SUP][10][/SUP] When only the transmembrane regions of the receptors are considered, amino acid similarity between the two receptor subtypes is approximately 68%.[SUP][4][/SUP] In addition, minor variations in each receptor have been identified. Cannabinoids bind reversibly and stereo-selectively to the cannabinoid receptors. The affinity of an individual cannabinoid to each receptor determines the effect of that cannabinoid. Cannabinoids that bind more selectively to certain receptors are more desirable for medical usage.

Well Poly I'm glad to see that you were rethinking your whole stance and your comment about drugs previously, not saying that they r good in the least drugs like glass, and crack those are things thought up and created by the devil. Now at the same time I believe that certain drugs when done in moderation(like anything) can be used at tools to build something positive. Drugs like Peyote, LSD, mushrooms, they are not used as something to ppl use simply to alter reality because they don't like what they see, these are things that can alter ones perspective on a great many things. I don't think the Shamans in American Indian tribes used peyote to escape they believed that thru the its use they could put themselves into a spiritual trance which would allow them to travel to the spirit world, maybe they just wanted to bang some hot spirit world babes. Anyways I'm rambling.

Peace

Ouch ur friends were slammin Ketimine damn thats hardcore nvr seen dat done here in L.A it was at alot of raves back when I was goin but that was special K it was in a powder form. But slamming K if dat wat dey were doin SHIT MAN!!!!

weasels911 said:

Exactly. So much wrong with the logic behind his little rant.
I don't know why I didn't see it sooner.

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OgSince03 said:

X is its purest form is not poison. It simply releases serotonin and other endorphins through the body...j/s.lol. Cocaine, on the other hand is poison. I sold that shit for yeaaaaars..I've seen ppl spend every dime they have on it, and take the clothes off their kids back to get it.. The process of extracting the cocaine alkaloids with kerosene, lime, acetone, hydrochloric acid, and other 'cut' added to increase profit are sure to kill you. Cocaine actually kills skin on contact, thats why ppl end up with holes in their septum from snorting it. The process of cooking crack, or cocaine base is simple. Baking soda, is added to bring it back to its base form once heated in water, and soap to help stretch out the product to the bottom of the jar. I've personally added ammonia to my dope so it will 'blow up', and look bigger...Fucked up I know, but I didnt grow up in the best of places here in the south.. Shrooms are poison period. You act the way you do because of the bodys reaction to the poison... I think I'll stick to cannabis..

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You see...this is the end result of the war on drugs, more myth and rumor distilled into one opinionated rant. On top of that, we have someone who professes to have sold such drugs, which somehow makes him a pharmacological or chemical expert. Cocaine is no more a poison than morphine - each are chemicals that have a series of effects upon the human body and brain and then they are metabolized in a relatively safe manner. In my OPINION, a poison is something that cannot be metabolized by the body safely - like arsenic or mercury. The septum of a coke user can be burned through but not because "cocaine kills skin cells" but because cocaine is a vasoconstrictor and can cut off the flow of blood to the extremities on which it may be applied. Furthermore, much illicit cocaine has small amounts of acid remaining from improper cleaning which, over time can erode nasal linings.

That the process of the production of cocaine uses kerosene or lime or acetone or hydrochloric acid makes no difference to th.e final product and I tire of those who hold that because this caustic substance or that is used in the making of a particular drug that the drug must therefore CONTAIN that substance - except in small amounts - it does not. I think my all time favorite is "you shouldn't use immunization shots because' 'it comes from the blood of sick monkeys'" Disgusting isn't it? and actually true but... there ARE some intervening events.

polyarcturus said:

no i dont like most of the drugs i mentioned, at least not to get high(i take a very small amount of shrooms every few months for cluster headaches) and im not on the weed is "medicine" train(i smoke cuz im mean as hell normally and to get high) or telling you to smoke opium all day and forget about work and neither do i think they are the safest things in the world. but common sense says that if i have to alter it to smoke it or shoot it in my vain, i as a normal person not a doctor am not qualified to do this. now studying people as they are having a hallucination is understandable, in a controlled environment under careful conditions.

well they are all poison and i dont have an ego do what you want ill leave you guys alone to die from crazy uncontrolled chemically altered foreign substances, my recommendation to get a safe supply of is A) make it yourself. probably not possible for home lab but maybe never looked into it. B) find a doctor that will hook you up for some cash C) steal it from a legitimate source not recommended as this just goes to prove the point that you are an addict and a thief now

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Damn man you sound like Rick Santorum's child with all that nonsense

This is a weed site...we're potheads, not crackheads. Go bring your fear mongering somewhere else

LOL! some of these threads today are effing hilarious!

dankerous said:

Wow drugs dont make you stupid,but this thread says that a few stupid people seem to like drugs,.

Here is the facts -Ketamine is a fully synthetic crystalline chemical that your body cannot process in even the tiniest amounts,it literally destroys your kidneys/liver bladder and any other organs it comes into contact with,alot of my mates have been heavy users,and now get craps,and piss blood and bits of their bladder out!!,I kid you not,stuff is fucking evil,if you want to be gouging away like a smack addict get some heroine,least its organic and your body can break it down,.

Oh and btw,weed isnt a poison is actually acts on the CB1 AND CB2 receptors in your body and brain,do you know what they are??no well one is in your immune system,hence why weed is a medicine,it boosts your immune,and also has an effect on your mind,but is full processable as we have evolved along side using it,for tens of thousands of years,same with mushrooms and most ethenogenes we have useds over the Milena.
Still each to their own

There are currently two known subtypes, termed CB[SUB]1[/SUB] and CB[SUB]2[/SUB].[SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP] The CB[SUB]1[/SUB] receptor is expressed mainly in the brain (central nervous system, CNS), but also in the lungs, liver and kidneys. The CB[SUB]2[/SUB] receptor is expressed mainly in the immune system and in hematopoietic cells.[SUP][7][/SUP] Mounting evidence suggests that there are novel cannabinoid receptors[SUP][8][/SUP] that is, non-CB[SUB]1[/SUB] and non-CB[SUB]2[/SUB], which are expressed in endothelial cells and in the CNS. In 2007, the binding of several cannabinoids to a G protein-coupled receptor (GPCR) in the brain was described.[SUP][9][/SUP]

The protein sequences of CB[SUB]1[/SUB] and CB[SUB]2[/SUB] receptors are about 44% similar.[SUP][10][/SUP] When only the transmembrane regions of the receptors are considered, amino acid similarity between the two receptor subtypes is approximately 68%.[SUP][4][/SUP] In addition, minor variations in each receptor have been identified. Cannabinoids bind reversibly and stereo-selectively to the cannabinoid receptors. The affinity of an individual cannabinoid to each receptor determines the effect of that cannabinoid. Cannabinoids that bind more selectively to certain receptors are more desirable for medical usage.

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The body has no problem metabolizing ketamine. CYP3A4 starts it, then 2B6, then 2C9 I think. Yes in large amounts it is toxic, but only in large amounts.
Also not all CB1/2 agonists are good things. The full agonists seem pretty nasty as a group.

Lol,man there isnt enough studies on ket to say that at all,and believe me it is a million times worse than weed,and no its not fully metabolized or you would have any of the issues I mention,and I have better basis than your reading something online,I know alot of ketamine addicts,I have also seen it ruin alot of peoples lives,its the rave drug of choice of the stupid students that want to take it n gouge at a rave.
Also was I talking about synthetic cb1 or cb2 antagonists,no I was talking about cannabis which isnt toxic other than in being smoked the carcinogens that are made,spice and jhw018 etc are evil too,why do people feel the need to take synthetic chemicals that are worse,no matter how much you want to convince yourself they aren't,my job entails I know about these things,I also see many people wasted/destroyed by drugs,and ketamine is more likely to give you agoraphobia/psychosis and numerous physical problems .

Don't believe me,look up online all the kids/20 year olds in the uk with colostomy bags etc,or major illness/mental illness.Still each to their own,

MrEDuck said:

The body has no problem metabolizing ketamine. CYP3A4 starts it, then 2B6, then 2C9 I think. Yes in large amounts it is toxic, but only in large amounts.
Also not all CB1/2 agonists are good things. The full agonists seem pretty nasty as a group.

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OHHH ITS LEGAL SO IT MUST BE SAFE!!!, what like snorting lighter gas,or glue is ok,cus you can buy that legally too,still wouldnt suggest doing either,

polyarcturus said:

better yourself thru hallucinating? you are so funny , and yes phyical harm to an addict is fine in my books in fact i think if you are caught with any amount of hard drugs( k, x, crack, herion, methadone, oxy) they should put you in prison for at least a year. im all for weed and shroom and cocaine in moderate doses but you are talking about POISON, i hope you go to jail

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How is cocaine not poison? I don't agree with having molly on that list either.

well someone explained the coke thing earlier in the thread and my original response was to chew cocaine leaves or khat leaves.

as far as x being poison my main concern is not with mdma but rather the common impurities in the drug and its production, anyways i dropped it im not here to fight i just dont want people doing drugs pointlessly.

polyarcturus said:

well someone explained the coke thing earlier in the thread and my original response was to chew cocaine leaves or khat leaves.

as far as x being poison my main concern is not with mdma but rather the common impurities in the drug and its production, anyways i dropped it im not here to fight i just dont want people doing drugs pointlessly.

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Ok that makes more sense. I agree with you there. The only time I ever taker MDMA is when it's molly. I don't trust taking rolls.

MrEDuck said:

The responses to the hipocracy make me happy. All drugs have risks. Even cannabis. Adults should have the right to assess risks and make decisions for themselves. Some of us are willing to push it further than others. It's our choice to do so, and our right to make that choice.

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Why is this concept, reasonable and sound, so difficult for so many to comprehend and accept? ALL drugs are balance beams between benifit and risk. If one removes the risk of jail and the risk involved in taking an unknown amount of god knows what that every illicit drug involves then one can judge for themselves what is "poison" if we want to use that word.

in many cases the extremes do not compute, in others they do. One's taking pure cocaine for a time or two will exhibit only a small risk of cardiac trouble but a great deal of fun, if fun is a goal great. Long term use of cocaine will produce habituation and the beahvior surrounding that habituation - plus the ever present physical effects.

Smoking pot seems to have a great reward and not much of a down side, except that over a long period of time people DO become habituated. Those people may not notice but I do - that they have cognitive disorders, I work with a lot of pot heads and I don't always enjoy it, there is a manana attitude in general that doesn't sit well with me, promises get shined on, money gets lost, commitments get reprioritized.

Mushrooms are very low on the hazard side, unless you want to count discomfort, the occasional suicide due to emotional trauma and of course a few premature scizoid reactions.

When a person is fully aware of all of the hazards, both short term and long term then they can make a determination - for themselves over what constitutes a "good" drug.

I have a few friends who have actually managed to maintain a chipping lifestyle with heroin, now they may eventually fall victim but they have been working serious day jobs and taking a bit here and there every other weekend for decades, and they are in their mid 50's.

PCP? I spent a summer in the early 80's doing nothing but, I enjoyed it and I suppose I actually learned something from the experience although I can't recall what.

We all know the rest of them either intutively or by experience. The question remains, why is your statement so difficult for so many to internalize


I just read over this, if it sounds instructional or condescending believe me it was not intended that way, at least not toward you - but I am going to post it anyway because I'm me.

2fast92 said:

Ok that makes more sense. I agree with you there. The only time I ever taker MDMA is when it's molly. I don't trust taking rolls.

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As Mr. Duck has stated, a crystaline powder can be anything, and it can be any mix of things. the last time I trusted molly without knowing the particulars it was almost certainly pure MDA. It could have been anything from some RC whack to pure ice. Even the grignard won't always help.

Yea that's true I guess. I'd trust that more over a roll though.

Yea, I totally said I was a pharmacological and chemical expert canndo.. The whole process of using kerosene, lime, acetone, and hydrochloric acid makes all the difference..If you've ever done this process, you would know..You would not be able to have Cocaine HCL without these kinds of chemicals... It DOES DIRECTLY EFFECT THE FINAL PRODUCT, you cant ever have 100% pure cocaine even in your bogus theory of improper cleaning.. My arguement was simply to tell people the process.. I'm really happy you fully explained why cocaine kills skin cells, you really made yourself look smart there! I dont even wanna get into what the alkaloid itself does to different parts of the body, but your well aware, arent you! Anything can be a poison without moderation, next time you try to imply my point of view on something, make sure you actually read wtf I posted about cocaine.. If you classify a substance a poison only after its in the body, your extremely ignorant..I bet if your mom tried selln me her ass for some pieces, you might have a different opinion on poisons.. I would say go back to school, but all these years of you going to school is what made you so dumb..

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Chill, pick your poison, relax and enjoy

le sigh-

i just thought it was funny about a guy asking about ordering the stuff and the kid comes in telling him to get off drugs

son your on a site about growing in a section labeled hallucinatory substances

is this not a clue enough to refrain from putting ones foot into mouth

None of this thread is answeribg the question...mail order ketamine...sheesh...drink too much water and you die..get real guys and quit with the big dick program...drugs in anyform has a detrimental effect in even the slightest degree..even if it was 100 percent safe..it'd still cost you...so,what about ketamine orders?