thanx for all the advice. its all useful. i have tried the dawn thing the mites seem to be gone so far but so are my plants. ill be lucky to save any of them. i can honestly say its my own fault. ive read about spider mites many times but never thought i would fall victim. the worse part is losing my personal strain. i had lsd, super lemon haze ,bubba kush and my own hybrid, old hippie guys seed x ak 47 x lsd fem here is the final turn out some after pics. i do not recomand high doses of dawn dish soap or you could end up like me spider mites 1 me none