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How will Canada’s new drugged-driving rules actually work?

greg nr

greg nr

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TacoMac said:
I never once claimed that it did. In fact, I've stated very, very clearly on MULTIPLE occasions that the levels are something unknown. A large part of that is that there was never a reason to do studies on exact levels due to the fact that the drug was (and mostly still is) illegal.

I'm simply stated science DOES PROVE IT IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY TO DRIVE.

I've stated that very, very clearly over and over again and all you pot fiends keep replying is that it doesn't bother you at all, that you're perfect citizens and can handle your dope and that most people are and that pot has no effects and isn't anything like alcohol and blah, blah, frikitty blah.

You people make far, far more excuses than the damn drunks do.

You're wrong. Everything on the planet outside of your mind proves you wrong.
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Pot fiends? Really? You do know what site you are on, right?

I never said cannabis doesn't impair driving. I agree it does.

What I don't agree with is an an arbitrary test that doesn't prove impairment, just use.

I know you are law enforcement, or tied up in the criminal-justice enterprise in some way, but really, get a grip on yourself. You are making a fool of yourself calling people fiends.
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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greg nr said:
I never said cannabis doesn't impair driving. I agree it does.

What I don't agree with is an an arbitrary test that doesn't prove impairment, just use.
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That's because you don't understand how the law works.

They're still doing the field sobriety test but that is coupled with a use test. It's the same thing that can get you busted for driving while impaired on pain medication. It's not going to matter how much is there. What's going to matter is that you flat out failed a motor skills test, proving you were impaired, and then the test will show the drug in your system. That drugs side effects are then compared to your behavior during the motor skills test and VOILA!

You're cited with driving while impaired.

That's all there is to it.
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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VIANARCHRIS said:
You ever been to Canada? We don't use American laws here, eh. Kinda idiotic for an American to be accusing a Canadian of not knowing Canadian law, don't ya think.
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Again, I never said that. I"ve always stated how it is HERE and that many times the same things apply. Canada works off the same English common law the United States does a lot of the time.
 
greg nr

greg nr

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VIANARCHRIS said:
You ever been to Canada? We don't use American laws here, eh. Kinda idiotic for an American to be accusing a Canadian of not knowing Canadian law, don't ya think.
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He doesn't even understand american laws. There is no requirement to consent to a field sobriety test in the state I live in. Sure, they can bully you, but if you respectfully decline there is no legal penalty. You simply can refuse a field sobriety test. No loss of license. No fines or criminal charges.

Of course, if they believe they have PC, then can compel you to take a breathalyzer of blood test, but since there are no standards for thc/metabolite impairment, they can't charge you with a dui for drugs.

And you can test positive for thc/metabolites for 30 days or more depending on body type and use habits. So what does a positive test mean for impairment 20-30 days after your last use? And that positive test is for 50 ng/liter. Not 2. Not 5.
 
zoic

zoic

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TacoMac said:
That's because you don't understand how the law works.

They're still doing the field sobriety test but that is coupled with a use test. It's the same thing that can get you busted for driving while impaired on pain medication. It's not going to matter how much is there. What's going to matter is that you flat out failed a motor skills test, proving you were impaired, and then the test will show the drug in your system. That drugs side effects are then compared to your behavior during the motor skills test and VOILA!

You're cited with driving while impaired.

That's all there is to it.
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So what about this:
I have MS which in of itself is a partial impairment. It would be completely appropriate for me to wear an MS related t-shirt that reads, "I am not drunk, I have MS". A roadside sobriety test would be unfair for me as I would most certainly fail. So if I take a gram of cannabis oil before bed and then head out in the car the next morning I am going to fail a sobriety test and a swab test and a blood test. Does that make sense to you because it fits in your little bubble of reality. BTW, I have not have a drink of alcohol in over 20 years, because it impaired my driving.
 
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cannadan

cannadan

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I'm with you on this one...zoic...
motor impairment even slight... could still make passing a sobriety test kinda difficult.
and are we truly impaired because of a limp or some twitching..
also a non drinker.... for 35 years now...
I would have never considered driving when I used to drink...man it would be tough to walk...

the two substances are not comparable...regardless of how much impairment cannabis has...
 
VIANARCHRIS

VIANARCHRIS

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cannadan said:
the two substances are not comparable...regardless of how much impairment cannabis has...
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The problem is unless someone has experienced both, they can't understand. Everyone is wired to associate impairment with alcohol. All other things that cause impairment are 'like alcohol, but worse' in many people's minds.
A sobriety test would be interesting with me too. I wear a bulky brace on my knee and walk with a limp and I had a facial injury so one eye points a little off-kilter and is perpetually bloodshot.
Should the situation arise, I will opt out of any physical tests due to my disability. They can take blood, but they cannot prove impairment.
 
WHATFG

WHATFG

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I've wondered about that as well....I walk off balance....it's called an antalgic gait....it would be extremely challenging for me to put one foot in front of the other and walk a straight line...but I can close my eyes and touch my nose every single time...lol...
 
CalyxCrusher

CalyxCrusher

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TacoMac said:
Again, I never said that. I"ve always stated how it is HERE and that many times the same things apply. Canada works off the same English common law the United States does a lot of the time.
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No it doesn't. That's why the states even exist to begin with. Buncha guys said fuck England and their bullshit and went and formed their own country, laws and judicial systems. Which are NOT based on the British Parliamentary system
 
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