How would you change the law to prevent another Zimmerman debacle?

I know that many of you think Zimmerman was guilty of "at least manslaughter" and that he was wrongly acquitted. He walked because of "beyond a reasonable doubt", or because he properly used self defense where he "reasonably believed that he was in imminent danger of great bodily harm or death".

To convict Zimmerman in the case at hand would require a change in the law. What would you change? Would you change the American legal system and make a person "guilty until proven innocent"? Would you change the standard of guilt to "somebody died and Zimmerman might have acted rashly so he should go to prison"? Would you change the law to disallow self defense with a deadly weapon? Even though SYG is irrelevant to this trial, would you revoke SYG? Would you disallow citizens' right to keep and bear arms?

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desert dude said:

I know that many of you think Zimmerman was guilty of "at least manslaughter" and that he was wrongly acquitted. He walked because of "beyond a reasonable doubt", or because he properly used self defense where he "reasonably believed that he was in imminent danger of great bodily harm or death".

To convict Zimmerman in the case at hand would require a change in the law. What would you change? Would you change the American legal system and make a person "guilty until proven innocent"? Would you change the standard of guilt to "somebody died and Zimmerman might have acted rashly so he should go to prison"? Would you change the law to disallow self defense with a deadly weapon? Even though SYG is irrelevant to this trial, would you revoke SYG? Would you disallow citizens' right to keep and bear arms?

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Nothing wrong with the law. Problem is Zimmerman wasn't standing his
Ground


And your facetious post sucks ass

ChesusRice said:

Nothing wrong with the law. Problem is Zimmerman wasn't standing his
Ground

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Zimmerman didn't use the SYG defense, anyways.

ChesusRice said:

Nothing wrong with the law. Problem is Zimmerman wasn't standing his
Ground


And your facetious post sucks ass

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Very thoughtful post, Cheesy.

I wouln't change a g'damn thing.

The ONLY reason this case saw ANY publicity is because the deceased was killed by a non-black. PERIOD.

The media saw this as yet ANOTHER opportunity to stir up shit with the ignorant racist retards that make up a relatively small percentage of our population. THAT'S IT. And it WORKED. Again.

If "Zimmerman" was another black dude, few would ever know the name of the deceased, as this incident would have been little more than "another dead nigger..." to the press, AND to the racists in the black community. The only thing those bastards care about is trying to turn us against each other to further THEIR personal agendas.

This case should have NEVER gone to trial, and the prosecutor should be held accountable for the cost to the tax payer.

Would you make it illegal to call the cops if you see a suspicious person in the neighborhood? Would you make it illegal to follow a suspicious person so you can point him out to the cops? Would you make neighborhood watch illegal?

I wouldnt change anything.

People have the right to self defense regardless of race.

The evidence in this case points to self defense.

If Travan were white and zimmerman were black I would support Zimmerman's right to defend himself against an attacker.

I really meant this thread as a venue for those who think the law failed in this case to propose better laws, which they seem to want. So far, Cheesy has provided the only "substantive" comment.

it depends on your goals when changing the laws, you will need to be a little more specific on what you wish to achieve.

personally i "do not" think the law or the punishment for any crime should change depending on race. meaning if you commit a crime it is irrelevant what race the victim was you are punished the same. But then again i do not think race had any effect on this case other than providing some degree of suspicion since the police reports of the other break ins in the area listed "young black males" as the suspects. And using race as a descriptive tool for identifying someone can hardly be considered racism in our "current" society.

it is really really hard to say anything "intelligent" about this case with our incredibly limited access to facts. If we knew what happened during those few minuets we could all make rational arguments for our sides, but when we have no idea i don't understand how we can claim all the things we are.

desert dude said:

I know that many of you think Zimmerman was guilty of "at least manslaughter" and that he was wrongly acquitted. He walked because of "beyond a reasonable doubt", or because he properly used self defense where he "reasonably believed that he was in imminent danger of great bodily harm or death".

To convict Zimmerman in the case at hand would require a change in the law. What would you change? Would you change the American legal system and make a person "guilty until proven innocent"? Would you change the standard of guilt to "somebody died and Zimmerman might have acted rashly so he should go to prison"? Would you change the law to disallow self defense with a deadly weapon? Even though SYG is irrelevant to this trial, would you revoke SYG? Would you disallow citizens' right to keep and bear arms?

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I see what you did there.

Nice bait thread, you know who shall be along shortly.

I am free to follow you around my neighborhood on foot FOR any reason I choose. If you don't like it, then you have choices.....continue walking around a neighborhood where you don't belong, leave my neighborhood or assault me are three of those choices.....should you choose to assault me, I will put a cap in your ass......so make a choice.

It's really that simple.

There can be a million laws written and implemented about this very subject, but in actuality, laws do not change actual scenarios while they are happening, only the aftermath. Stupid people doing stupid things is and will always be just one method of cleansing the earth of dumbasses.
Is it a tragedy, yes, but unless you were right there on top of the scene as it went down, it is all just speculation, some individual who was not there and their theories, nothing more.

Laws are for what takes place after the incident, as non law abiding citizens pay no attention to such and this is what will continue to happen until the end of days.

Peace

Asmallvoice

SirGreenThumb said:

I see what you did there.

Nice bait thread, you know who shall be along shortly.

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Actually, I expect to be called names as usual, but I don't expect anybody to step forward with any rational changes to the legal system. Cheesy, proves the point. The simple fact is, self defense laws are reasonable, and moral.

SYG laws are also quite reasonable. People such as our corrupt Attorney General will bloviate about SYG laws causing carnage, with no facts to back up the claim, but how can any reasonable person assert that "if you are assaulted you have a duty to run away and if you don't you are guilty of a crime". The implication that everybody is just waiting for a good SYG opportunity to shoot and kill another person is just ludicrous. If "progressives" actually believe such an accusation it makes me quite leery of being around them because it certainly implies that they believe such a thing about themselves, hence they are angry, dangerous people. I have never met a gun owner that believes such a thing.

desert dude said:

Actually, I expect to be called names as usual, but I don't expect anybody to step forward with any rational changes to the legal system. Cheesy, proves the point. The simple fact is, self defense laws are reasonable, and moral.

SYG laws are also quite reasonable. People such as out corrupt Attorney General will bloviate about SYG laws causing carnage, with no facts to back up the claim, but how can any reasonable person assert that "if you are assaulted you have a duty to run away and if you don't you are guilty of a crime". The implication that everybody is just waiting for a good SYG opportunity to shoot and kill another person is just ludicrous. If "progressives" actually believe such an accusation it makes me quite leery of being around them because it certainly implies that they believe such a thing about themselves, hence they are angry, dangerous people. I have never met a gun owner that believes such a thing.

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Stand you ground and plain self defense are so much alike. I think different states have their rules for each, like in my state if you must shoot someone, it is recommended that you walk backwards around an object, like your vehicle and tell them to stop before pulling the trigger. That is if they are unarmed though. If armed, one warning and its over. There will always be people who cant grasp the idea of self defense no matter how many ways you try and explain it.

SirGreenThumb said:

I see what you did there.

Nice bait thread, you know who shall be along shortly.

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Peace

Asmallvoice

ChesusRice said:

YOu got that right but you left out the part where if Zimmerman was black he would be doing 3-20 for manslaughter and in prison already. And yes I am sure you think of Martin as "another dead nigger"

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Go watch this episode of 48 hours, then come back and tell me how "if Zimmerman was black he would be doing 3-20 for manslaughter and in prison already.":

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7422264n

ChesusRice said:

Or you can confront the person you are folloing and if you are lucky when you kill him he will be the only witness


I LOVE how you racists ASSUME that Martin Attacked Zimmerman becuase Zimmerman got his ass kicked

How do you know ZImmerman didnt start the laying of hands and was getting his ass handed to him for touching Martin before he shot him?

YOU FUCKING DONT

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So, how would you reform the law to make sure all the racists get what is coming to them?

Outlaw hoodies maybe?

ChesusRice said:

YOu got that right but you left out the part where if Zimmerman was black he would be doing 3-20 for manslaughter and in prison already. And yes I am sure you think of Martin as "another dead nigger"

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YEAH!!! Just like O.J. !!! ....uh...No wait...