I would like to see how they came up with that 90% figure?
Not at all but you posted it as evidence I was merely stating that the article was written by the guy who worked for DHN when you were trying to convince others that this existed but only citing one source of information from the same guy.
I don't know about their data and I don't keep up all that much on the external grow world. I mostly breed my own and what I don't use I gift. But I wouldn't be surprised if they had a profit motive and I am also not surprised there's a lot of concern over getting infected clones. Especially if your grow model uses dispensary clones. I think both could be true, profit motive and legitimate concern. Either way it doesn't touch me other than that one time several years ago.I would like to see how they came up with that 90% figure?
Did they actually test 100% of all the facilities in California or is that 90% of the facilities they tested?
Did that include just cannabis nurseries or other types of nurseries?
There's too much ambiguity in all of the information out there. Almost as if it's designed that way on purpose.
I love my little seedling tent! I've since swapped out the t5s for a couple of LEDs. Its perfect size for me. In fact, I'm going to purchase another one soon for pollen chucks. Its kind of a PITA to find safe spots in the flower room
I was responding to a post that claims it hasnt effected the hemp/canna industry. It has.
If you are new to testing and your mothers are large, yes. But most likely if you have been testing since they were younger you will have caught it. I read that same article. I am not sure whether he was referring to constant testing or waiting a few months to test again. In about 4 weeks the virus should be fully distributed through the plant. Maybe a little longer for mothers. But if you are testing within that time period you are highly likely to pick it up.Why not just cull any strains that are supposedly testing positive for this and stop growing the seeds? There are literally thousands of strains out there. Saving one is not worth spreading this if it's as bad and spreading as fast as some claim.
And according to this article that was posted in a previous thread testing is not reliable.
"An issue with large mother plants is that separate parts of a large plant can test positive and negative, as the viroid is not evenly distributed throughout the plant."
"That means infected plants can test negative in one test and then test positive several months later."
An elusive pathogen is damaging cannabis crops - here's how to fight it
Joseph Ramahi, chief science officer for Cultivaris Hemp, explains best practices for cannabis cultivators to combat hop latent viroid.mjbizdaily.com
So let's see. There is this virus people are panicking about that may or may not show up in testing. Yet people are in a mad dash to get testing done despite it not being reliable. People are also in a mad dash to get tissue cultures to save some strain that's carrying this alleged virus that's inflicting massive financial loss across the industry to save some polyhybrid. It doesn't make any sense. The prudent thing to do would be to destroy all stock of plants that supposedly carry the virus to keep it from spreading further. But how do you do that when plants can test negative one day and positive the next?
My plan is to not worry about it. If it does exist oh well. Not my problem. I have enough seed stock of dozens of strains that came from other places in the world to keep me growing disease free weed for the rest of my life and I'm sharing all of that for free with my friends that grow so we'll always be a small pocket of disease free weed growers.
One thing I don't understand is the lack of efforts to stop the spread of this virus. If it's so bad then the prudent thing to do would be to stop growing strains that are found to be carrying it. But that's not the path being taken. Instead people are focused on testing for something even though the testing is not reliable. That makes no sense. Why take a chance? Just grow something else that hasn't been afflicted by the disease. But like most things cannabis the solution is always more complicated than it needs to be. And testing is a lucrative business so testing is the path people are apparently taking.
They have spent years and tens of millions trying to eradicate Panama Disease which affects the common Cavendish banana without success. What makes anyone think that testing for this is going to stop it's spread? Especially when a guy with a PhD has stated that a plant can test negative and then positive later?
So everyone run out and pay for a test that can come back as negative but another test taken later can show positive. I'll spend my money on beer.
"An issue with large mother plants is that separate parts of a large plant can test positive and negative, as the viroid is not evenly distributed throughout the plant."
"That means infected plants can test negative in one test and then test positive several months later."
I do believe thats the intention here, lol.
People put a lot of blame on them for unknowingly distributing a viroid no one even thought affected the plant. They put the time, money and resources in to partnering with UC Davis to figure out what disease was causing this. Last I checked, Darkheart labs is not some Wuhan lab conspiracy where they created this virus. It was bound to get in to the industry at some point through any other vendors. The fact that they are at the forefront and keeping up with testing, keeping fresh moms with TC etc is enlightening. Yes, they are making money but what do you expect them to really do?
Latency and distribution, in humans we do several blood cultures for septicemia because you won't necessarily catch it on the first test.
more about the timing in test rather than how many. One at 0 weeks, one at 2 weeks and one at 4 weeks. Takes about 4 weeks for the virus to fully spread
I don't expect a business to operate for free. I think making money and trying to contribute while doing so are laudable. I honestly don't know enough about who the good/bad guys are. I remember back when the viroid was an issue for me wishing there was some type of test. So however we came by it I'm grateful for it's existence.
exactly, all about progress.
I get that don’t worry.
The case I got was back when I only grew from seed or my own clones. I don't know where it came from (I grow indoors) or how I got it and there are no hop plants growing near me that I'm aware of.
One study found that if you break up infected cannabis there is the possibility of passing it along. I am a little confused by that being that the RNA can only last about 2 hours outside a living host I thought so not sure how it stays active in dried cannabis.
Maybe if clone vendors actually flowered out their cuts they would have spotted duds not worthy of being distributed.
Yes. Thats exactly what you do. Cull infected strains. But, some are worth saving through TC. Not to me, but I have no doubts some would go to great lengths to save their genetic library. Seed makers like Bodhi do a lot of preservation work but they also have moms that over 30 yrs old. Chem D and several other older cultivars have already been cleaned up thru TC. Dark Heart is far from the only lab doing this work. They were just the first to publish their findings to the canna community.
Again, yes. In medicine we often retest as well. Living things have variables.
2. Cleaning up stock is easy. Again, cull the infected. Only keep and grow healthy plants.
Then this thread doesnt pertain to your style of growing. But a little education and awareness never hurts.
Threads like this are intended to spread awareness to help stop the spread! Enough with dramatic posts. No one is panicking. This isnt 2014 FFS.
Last time I checked I never spent a dime of your money. Spend yours how you see fit and save that dogma for the noobs here.
In 4 weeks you can have better more accurate results from testing though. Would take about 10-14 the other way. Also you are neglecting the odds of choosing a branch that may be asymptomatic or not infected.
Interesting, mine was evident in veg. I don't have an opinion about best practices for clone vendors.
Hmmm