Hps vs Mh

trustmeimadoctor · Mar 30, 2008

panhead said:
This whole color thing is not about what what colors the eye can see its about what colors of the natural light spectrum something in nature reflect's or absorb's,water will reflect red colors & absorb blue's, thats why we see it as blue,same goes for ice & icebergs.

Being that the marijuana plant IS naturaly green in color it cant absorb greens,instead it reflects them,this is why the greens in the light spectrum are useless to the plant.

and you know this because...? maybe you read it in an old book somewhere? At school... maybe?

At one time, not so long ago it was believed that man walked the earth with the dinosaurs... indeed you would have been taught as such in school.

they don't reflect all green. Some of it is absorbed... maybe cannabis is incapable of recognising GL without the parentage of red and blue (either or both)... but it certainly would recognise it while blue and red (either or) are present.

This is also suggested a few posts back, where the GL response is a post response to the activation of the phytochrome (red light photoreceptor). Although the actual phytochrome doesn't have anything to do with the actual GL response.

panhead · Mar 30, 2008

trustmeimadoctor said:
and you know this because...? maybe you read it in an old book somewhere? At school... maybe?

At one time, not so long ago it was believed that man walked the earth with the dinosaurs... indeed you would have been taught as such in school.

they don't reflect all green. Some of it is absorbed... maybe cannabis is incapable of recognising GL without the parentage of red and blue (either or both)... but it certainly would recognise it while blue and red (either or) are present.

This is also suggested a few posts back, where the GL response is a post response to the activation of the phytochrome (red light photoreceptor). Although the actual phytochrome doesn't have anything to do with the actual GL response.

And your point is ?

If you want to split hairs for the sake of it then fine,im sure some amount of the green spectrum is accepted by the plant ,when combigned with the other colors, but by itself the green spectrum is useless to the plant.

Dinosaurs are great but what do they have to do with mj & green spectrum lighting,im still cloudy on what your trying to say.

bicycle racer · Mar 30, 2008

back to the mh/hps discussion i have read that the high altitude afghani strains developed more resin over the generations to combat against higher levels of uva uvb this would support the mixed spectrum theory. only what ive read though. i am flowering with a mix of 400w of hps and 400w of mixed spectrum cfls and power compacts (because of money i had them from prior auquarium use) the 14 fems are growing well it seems under this plethora of light sources. would they grow faster under another 400 hps instead probably but i dont think they would have as many bud sights. in my humble oppinion i think a little blue benefits even when flowering thats assuming the same total lumens of course. :confused:

trustmeimadoctor · Mar 30, 2008

Of course blue benefits in flowering... blue is well known to add potency to a flowering plant when used in combination with hps. In fact there is a school of thought that suggests using more MH and less HPS during flower to increase potency. say, 2 mh to 1 hps.

it has been known for years that mix spec provides the best plants. This is nothing new and not even debatable.

trustmeimadoctor · Mar 30, 2008

panhead said:
And your point is ?

If you want to split hairs for the sake of it then fine,im sure some amount of the green spectrum is accepted by the plant ,when combigned with the other colors, but by itself the green spectrum is useless to the plant.

Dinosaurs are great but what do they have to do with marijuana & green spectrum lighting,im still cloudy on what your trying to say.

the point with the dinosaurs is that we are taught things all the time that later turn out to be false... sorry it went over your head.

how do you know that GL is useless to the plant on it's own? Do you actually know, or are you merely repeating what you think you know?

I'll tell you... you don't know.

Al B. Fuct · Mar 30, 2008

trustmeimadoctor said:
J For your information I have successfully rooted several leaves. They do not grow into plants, unless you are prepared to wait the time it would take to form a new shoot, if it ever does at all.

That's not exactly what I (or anyone else) would call 'successful.'

I absolutely will not believe this one until there's photos AND independent replication.

Al B. Fuct · Mar 30, 2008

trustmeimadoctor said:
Of course blue benefits in flowering... blue is well known to add potency to a flowering plant when used in combination with hps. In fact there is a school of thought that suggests using more MH and less HPS during flower to increase potency. say, 2 mh to 1 hps.

it has been known for years that mix spec provides the best plants. This is nothing new and not even debatable.

I call bullshit.

If this is 'known,' 'nothing new' and 'not debatable,' you will have no trouble at all sourcing and citing research to support your case.

Get busy- we're all waiting for the research that backs up your claims.

However, I will not be chugging Jack Daniels while waiting...

Troll... you just signed up a sockpuppet acct today to post contrarian comments. No one believes ANYTHING you have posted so far. You're far busier telling people that they're stupid than supporting your case.

Put up or STFU.

bicycle racer · Mar 30, 2008

i agree with you although i feel the hps should be the mainstay for flowering with supplemental blues/violets of other sources for completion of the spectrum.

panhead · Mar 30, 2008

trustmeimadoctor said:
the point with the dinosaurs is that we are taught things all the time that later turn out to be false... sorry it went over your head.

how do you know that GL is useless to the plant on it's own? Do you actually know, or are you merely repeating what you think you know?

I'll tell you... you don't know.

Ok mr smart ass,and yes your a smart ass & i dont appreciate it,tell me what you know,you came here prepared to argue so show me the proof,dont just come in here claiming everybody else is wrong, show me where your right.

panhead · Mar 30, 2008

Al B. Fuct said:
I call bullshit.

If this is 'known,' 'nothing new' and 'not debatable,' you will have no trouble at all sourcing and citing research to support your case.

Get busy- we're all waiting for the research that backs up your claims.

However, I will not be chugging Jack Daniels while waiting...

Troll...

Good call on the troll Al,this nutjob wants to argue details that are 99% irrelevant to anything.

panhead · Mar 30, 2008

trustmeimadoctor said:
Of course blue benefits in flowering... blue is well known to add potency to a flowering plant when used in combination with hps. In fact there is a school of thought that suggests using more MH and less HPS during flower to increase potency. say, 2 mh to 1 hps.

it has been known for years that mix spec provides the best plants. This is nothing new and not even debatable.

According to Ed Rosenthal your the one who's totally out in left feild with this blue spectrum crusade your on,i guess Ed's an idiot though :roll:

trustmeimadoctor · Mar 30, 2008

panhead said:
According to Ed Rosenthal your the one who's totally out in left feild with this blue spectrum crusade your on,i guess Ed's an idiot though

What planet are you from? You obviously know very little and by the sounds of it misinterpret much of what you hear.

I may be out of the field on this site, but in places where people know better I most certainly am not.

Yes ed rosenthal is an idiot if he doesn't recognise the benefits of flowering beneath blue light in combination with red. Although i know you are misrepresenting him... ed rosenthal actually recommends using UV supplements in the last 12 days of flowering...

Show me this quote of ed's...

bicycle racer · Mar 30, 2008

the reds and yellows are of much greater importance during flowering and given the choice it would be a poor decision to stick with mh over hps. but the blues/violets are not totally useless during any stage of a terrestrial plants life. when the sun is farther away in winter there are less blue/violet spectrums available but they are never absent and are still utilized. all im trying to point out is that to say they serve no purpose is a stretch in my oppinion. :mrgreen:

trustmeimadoctor · Mar 30, 2008

Al B. Fuct said:
That's not exactly what I (or anyone else) would call 'successful.'

I absolutely will not believe this one until there's photos AND independent replication.

Why al b... all you need to do is check this site. I made a thread about it on here around a year ago... maybe longer. I logged it here once, but i actually did it 3 times... couldn't get it to grow into a plant.

I believe i made 2 threads... leaf clone... and 'rooted leaf clone' or leaf clone too or something. I remember at the time i didn't think it was anything special...

trustmeimadoctor · Mar 30, 2008

panhead said:
Ok mr smart ass,and yes your a smart ass & i dont appreciate it,tell me what you know,you came here prepared to argue so show me the proof,dont just come in here claiming everybody else is wrong, show me where your right.

Actually i came here stating facts... you're the one arguing about them.

panhead · Mar 30, 2008

trustmeimadoctor said:
What planet are you from? You obviously know very little and by the sounds of it misinterpret much of what you hear.

I may be out of the field on this site, but in places where people know better I most certainly am not.

Yes ed rosenthal is an idiot if he doesn't recognise the benefits of flowering beneath blue light in combination with red. Although i know you are misrepresenting him... ed rosenthal actually recommends using UV supplements in the last 12 days of flowering...

Show me this quote of ed's...

I love your avoidance of my question so ill ask it again,where is YOUR PROOF.

BTW answering a question posed to with another question instead of the information requested of you is not an answer in my book.

Before i go any further with you you must bring something to the table,so far you've brought nothing but bullshit.

panhead · Mar 30, 2008

trustmeimadoctor said:
Actually i came here stating facts... you're the one arguing about them.

Lets see these facts you state,some peer reviewed white papers for me to read will do nicely thank you :mrgreen:

trustmeimadoctor · Mar 30, 2008

Al B. Fuct said:
I call bullshit.

If this is 'known,' 'nothing new' and 'not debatable,' you will have no trouble at all sourcing and citing research to support your case.

Get busy- we're all waiting for the research that backs up your claims.

However, I will not be chugging Jack Daniels while waiting...

Troll... you just signed up a sockpuppet acct today to post contrarian comments. No one believes ANYTHING you have posted so far. You're far busier telling people that they're stupid than supporting your case.

Put up or STFU.

well back at ya... you show me the proof that I'm wrong... argue with your immense knowledge if you can.

You don't even know it's possible to root a leaf? Not just that you don't know but you actually claim to know it to be impossible. The proof is on this site, maybe you need to do a little more reading.

trustmeimadoctor · Mar 30, 2008

panhead said:
Lets see these facts you state,some peer reviewed white papers for me to read will do nicely thank you

hmmmm... how about, NO. How about, find it out for yourself, like I did... I live and breathe weed.

Show me ed's quote, and i will use my own knowledge to point out where he is wrong, I am my own man.

trustmeimadoctor · Mar 30, 2008

panhead said:
I love your avoidance of my question so ill ask it again,where is YOUR PROOF.

BTW answering a question posed to with another question instead of the information requested of you is not an answer in my book.

Before i go any further with you you must bring something to the table,so far you've brought nothing but bullshit.

again moron... the proof for this is on this site too. In fact, pm potroast and ask him.

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