Humboldt14
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i got 3 ounces out of all those plants
HyDrO - 14 - Lowryder #2 x AK47 - IR Blocked - Sound Proof Closet Grow
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Humboldt14
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i do not recomend them
SugarBlaze
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They looked good. How did it turn out in the end?
SugarBlaze
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Have you tried nets so they grow like vines? Heard you get at least 500% more
Humboldt14
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the buds turned out great, real stoney
naw i havent tried nets, this was my first hydro
guitarjon
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obviously something went wrong. I get 1.5 pounds easily off of 1000w hps. At day 40 your plants looked really stressed. If they are stressed at an early stage they will not be stunted and be very short and stubby. Should try them in soil. Lowryders are great. Been growing them for 3 years.
Humboldt14
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yea i realy fucked them up the first month, lots of probs. PH, Heat, Nute amount, water temp, was my first time doing hydro. the final smoke is great thoe. when i finaly figured out everything it was a little late, the plants allready were stunted. like i said great smoke.
joseph112284
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hey man you only yielded 3oz off of 15plants. I would have expected you to yield at least 15grams off of each plant even with a shitty grow condition. My brother inlaw grew 3 of these and yielded 2.5ounces dry off of 3 of them in shitty conditions. Thats fucked up dude. Try barneys farm Lsd, super silver have, or BIG BUD. I know a couple people that have grown these strains and got some really nice budding on each plant. You could easily pull of 2 to 3oz on each plant even in shitty grow conditions with a 1000watter. Go to single marijuana seeds canada.com google search it. Its an awesome website everyone I know orders from there and had nothing but great results. I am growing the LSD for a first grow and my buddy said I will probabley yield 3 to 4oz dry off the one plant I have. Give thoughs strains I named a try.
N!pples
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LOL! That sucks... Here is my 2 cents... 1. Try to get clones from a good mother.. Seeds take too long! 2. Ditch the Auto flower and control the light.. Its not that hard, you have a nice tent.. 3. With Hydo, keep your PH at 6.3 no higher and 5.6 at the lowest. 5.3 - 5.6 is fine for rooting but go for 6.3 when doing hydo... What was you nutrient recipie? This makes all the difference!
Better luck next time.. They get better and better as you go.... Eventually you will forget about that outdoor..
N!pples
N!pples
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Oh ya! Did you ever change the light cycle to 12/12 or did just keep it at 18/6? I would think even though they are lowriders you would want to change the light cycle to 12/12 so the half that isnt ruderalis actually takes to light cycle and produces more buds.. This could have affected the harvest.
Ruderalis were originally created for people who live in areas where the light cycle never gets to 12/12 and for outdoor growing.. Also the ruderalis had very very low THC content and even when mixed with something good I dont think they get more than 10-12 percent thc. I like potency so I give the Auto flower a thumbs down!!!!
JMO
Ruderalis were originally created for people who live in areas where the light cycle never gets to 12/12 and for outdoor growing.. Also the ruderalis had very very low THC content and even when mixed with something good I dont think they get more than 10-12 percent thc. I like potency so I give the Auto flower a thumbs down!!!!
JMO
LOL! That sucks... Here is my 2 cents... 1. Try to get clones from a good mother.. Seeds take too long! 2. Ditch the Auto flower and control the light.. Its not that hard, you have a nice tent.. 3. With Hydo, keep your PH at 6.3 no higher and 5.6 at the lowest. 5.3 - 5.6 is fine for rooting but go for 6.3 when doing hydo... What was you nutrient recipie? This makes all the difference!
Better luck next time.. They get better and better as you go.... Eventually you will forget about that outdoor..
N!pples
OMG LOL what are you even serious with the information you provided i mean hahaha holy dam. I usually don't like to talk down on other peoples post. But jeez like its information like this that is really killing the future of forums like this. Please do your research a little more before you post again thank you.
Now where to start. Keep your p.h at 6.3 with hydro LOL where did you get this information from. By just typing in a simple "best ph for cannabis hydroponics" into google you get about 1.2million result found and every single one of them says 5.8ph(refer to chart posted). So just that there it tell me you did ZERO research on any of this. Not 6.3 lol at 6.3 the plant dosent absorbe a LOT of good and usefully nutrient like phosphorous,Calcium, Boron etc...,ya know the things your plants need in order to grow and produce those tasty tasty nugs. Not really sure if youve ever seen any with those awesome growing tips. Im just saying. Second LOL im gonna go ahead and assume here you did no research on lowryder as well. or for that fact even ever grown one huh. You just kinda want to get your post count up so figuered why the hell not post a whole bunch of crap. NO! you dont have to change the light cycle from 18/6 to 12/12 when growing ANY strain mixed with ruderalis. The little packaging the seeds come in even tell you Best 20/4 Due to. The autoflowering ruderalis gene is dominant over the cannabis sativa or cannabis indica gene that controls the hormone in there plant that tell it when to flower and when to veg. And since in ruderalis is time sensitive not light schedule sensitive. The plant will flower in even 24 hour of light as i have grown low ryders and many other plants mixed with ruderalis such as (Bloody thunder mary, Flower Power, Pakastani/Afghani ryders, Super sonic etc....) under 24 hours of light. There is no way genetically posibile of the plant to carry half of the time sensative gene and half light change gene. Simple genetics 101. Also Please tell me where in the states there's never 12 hours of light and 12 hours of day. The Earth is tilted by about 23 degrees, which puts it at an angle to the sun as it rotates. This effect is just more extreme the farther north and south you go toward the poles. . Do you even know why we get the light changes we do??. Thats just seriously ridicilous to even believe how old are you?? i learned this in i think 4th or 5th grade. The REAL reason lowryder came to exsistance was because of Space problem. About 70-80% of todays grow are in closets, Walk in closets, Build rooms in garages, Basements, backyards etc... So some way or another people always run into space problem. So a few seed breeders got smart and said "Hmm lets mix a strain with ruderalis so it restricts the grow and flowers under any light conditions as long as its alive and people can grow them pretty much ANYWHERE and make a few millions on it in the process" and BOOM lowryders came into exsistance. Followed by short stuff and tons of other seed breeders that make them. And NO! Once again ruderalis it self has very very low thc even less then 1%. That's where the other parent comes into play. In which they usually if the breeder know what hes doing the lowryder mixed plant gets the thc content of the NON auto flowering strain its mixed with(of course is most cases it will lack 1% maybe 2%. Look up Pakistani land race strain. Its 21.2% thc. Now look up Pakistani ryder. Just a Pakistani land race mother mixed with a ruderlis male to give it auto flowering abilitis. Amazing also 21.2% THC not 10 or 12. PFFFT
Ive grown and smoke some very very strong lowryder before and one .65 gram joint later i was on my a$$ for a good 2-4 hours. Much longer then most strain i get from medical dispensary around socal. And this is with 15year of smoking now as well. So please do your dam research before you start posting bull$hit like this on here. Ive grow to really love this forum and i have been a member for bout 2 years now and lurking for about 5. And really appreciate the information on here( As long as its no complete turd). But when i see non research ignorant post like your. It just really sets something off. And before you give anything a "Thumbs Down" how about you do some research once again ehh.Like a wise man once said " Ignorance is bliss" So do your reasearch and smoke on. Happy Growing 
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Humboldt14
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yea nipples you r are not that upto date on some of your info,
you want the PH to swing actually, a good swing is when you top of your rez, add nutes, PH your water to 5.5 then let swing to 6.0 - 6.2 and thats fine, the reason you want it to swing a little is because as you can see on the chart at different PH ranges your plant can take up different nutes better and more efficient.
the reason i got nothing off the low riders is because i stunted them there first 3 weeks on accident,
you want the PH to swing actually, a good swing is when you top of your rez, add nutes, PH your water to 5.5 then let swing to 6.0 - 6.2 and thats fine, the reason you want it to swing a little is because as you can see on the chart at different PH ranges your plant can take up different nutes better and more efficient.
the reason i got nothing off the low riders is because i stunted them there first 3 weeks on accident,
N!pples
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HAHA! SuTraGrow, You are not only funny you are and Arshole! First, I've been growing for 13 years and smoking everyday for 18 +, I do know a little.. Second, These forums are all about sharing and OPINIONS, (IMO means "In my Opinion") If there was no one like me on these forums you would not be able to argue “opinions” or methods..Now where to start. Keep your p.h at 6.3 with hydro LOL where did you get this information from. By just typing in a simple "best ph for cannabis hydroponics" into google you get about 1.2million result found and every single one of them says 5.8ph(refer to chart posted). So just that there it tell me you did ZERO research on any of this. Not 6.3 lol at 6.3 the plant dosent absorbe a LOT of good and usefully nutrient like phosphorous,Calcium, Boron etc...,ya know the things your plants need in order to grow and produce those tasty tasty nugs. Not really sure if youve ever seen any with those awesome growing tips. Im just saying. Second LOL im gonna go ahead and assume here you did no research on lowryder as well. or for that fact even ever grown one huh. You just kinda want to get your post count up so figuered why the hell not post a whole bunch of crap. NO! you dont have to change the light cycle from 18/6 to 12/12 when growing ANY strain mixed with ruderalis. The little packaging the seeds come in even tell you Best 20/4 Due to. The autoflowering ruderalis gene is dominant over the cannabis sativa or cannabis indica gene that controls the hormone in there plant that tell it when to flower and when to veg. And since in ruderalis is time sensitive not light schedule sensitive. The plant will flower in even 24 hour of light as i have grown low ryders and many other plants mixed with ruderalis such as (Bloody thunder mary, Flower Power, Pakastani/Afghani ryders, Super sonic etc....) under 24 hours of light. There is no way genetically posibile of the plant to carry half of the time sensative gene and half light change gene. Simple genetics 101. Also Please tell me where in the states there's never 12 hours of light and 12 hours of day. The Earth is tilted by about 23 degrees, which puts it at an angle to the sun as it rotates. This effect is just more extreme the farther north and south you go toward the poles. . Do you even know why we get the light changes we do??. Thats just seriously ridicilous to even believe how old are you?? i learned this in i think 4th or 5th grade. The REAL reason lowryder came to exsistance was because of Space problem. About 70-80% of todays grow are in closets, Walk in closets, Build rooms in garages, Basements, backyards etc... So some way or another people always run into space problem. So a few seed breeders got smart and said "Hmm lets mix a strain with ruderalis so it restricts the grow and flowers under any light conditions as long as its alive and people can grow them pretty much ANYWHERE and make a few millions on it in the process" and BOOM lowryders came into exsistance. Followed by short stuff and tons of other seed breeders that make them. And NO! Once again ruderalis it self has very very low thc even less then 1%. That's where the other parent comes into play. In which they usually if the breeder know what hes doing the lowryder mixed plant gets the thc content of the NON auto flowering strain its mixed with(of course is most cases it will lack 1% maybe 2%. Look up Pakistani land race strain. Its 21.2% thc. Now look up Pakistani ryder. Just a Pakistani land race mother mixed with a ruderlis male to give it auto flowering abilitis. Amazing also 21.2% THC not 10 or 12. PFFFT
This is the PH chart I’ve been using for YEARS…
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OK, so you found a different one! Anyone ever tell you that you are the Man??
Tell me again how at 6.3 PH the plant cant “ubsorb” phosphorous, Calcium, Boron etc??? according to my chart it does.. I believe its absorb btw.. Pfffft I’ve done more than 30 grows and keeping the PH at 6.3 seems to do a lot better than anything in the 5’s. No Burns and stong healthy growth! This is firsthand experience not bull from this forum! You can keep it at 5.6 – 5.8 and they will grow fine but if you growing Kush and want super buds I would suggest 6.3 Firm.. If you don’t like it don’t try it… A simple “I Don’t think you are right” and the facts would have made you seem a lot cooler.
You are correct and I have no experience with Ruderalis other than an accidental grow when I received some by accident. They did mess up my grow because I was not ready for them and they finished SMALL. When I Stated what I stated I said "I would THINK", No Facts were implied... In my opinion If you can’t control your plants height after 1 or 2 grows you have problems and should practice starting 12 hour sooner vs. buy a Ruderalis. (IMO) I was told Ruderalis originated in the Soviet Union and the term is to describe the varieties of HEMP that had escaped cultivation and adapted to the weather and light cycle in the surrounding regions. I learned they were originally cross bred so people could grow THC containing Cannabis OUTDOORS in these same regions.. Not so that people could grow better in their closets, that came later when the Hybrid made it to North America.. Again just what I learned, So maybe I’m wrong.. But whatever, I guess we can agree to disagree there.. Good luck with ur ruderalis and your lame attitude! Maybe you should do YOUR research, learn to spell and then go bash people that are trying to help.. I’d love to see that 21 percent Pakistani Ryder, I looked it up and found no THC content.. Did you do the test yourself? Please point me to the facts Sir…
BTW SuTraGrow, how old are you and where did you learn to spell your post gave me a headache?
Maybe we will try the PH Swing using that new chart, but really I do think my OG Kush do allot better at 6.3 during all of flowering.. I use 5.6 for Rooting and Veging.
If you don’t believe what I say follow my latest Journal here: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/354712-top-fed-drain-waste-journal.html.. I will be keeping it 6.3
Thanks Humbolt14 and good luck to ya!
N!pples
HAHA! SuTraGrow, You are not only funny you are and Arshole! First, I've been growing for 13 years and smoking everyday for 18 +, I do know a little.. Second, These forums are all about sharing and OPINIONS, (IMO means "In my Opinion") If there was no one like me on these forums you would not be able to argue opinions or methods..
This is the PH chart Ive been using for YEARS
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OK, so you found a different one! Anyone ever tell you that you are the Man??
Tell me again how at 5.8 PH the plant cant ubsorb phosphorous, Calcium, Boron etc??? according to my chart it does.. I believe its absorb btw.. Pfffft Ive done more than 30 grows and keeping the PH at 6.3 seems to do a lot better than anything in the 5s. No Burns and healthy growth! This is firsthand experience not bull from this forum! You can keep it at 5.6 5.8 and they will grow fine but if you growing Kush and want super buds I would suggest 6.3 Firm.. If you dont like it dont try it A simple I Dont think you are right and the facts would have made you seem a lot cooler.
You are correct and I have no experience with Ruderalis other than an accidental grow when I received some by accident. They did mess up my whole grow because I was not ready for them and they finished SMALL. In my opinion If you cant control your plants height after 1 or 2 grows you have problems and should practice starting 12 hour sooner vs. buy a lame Ruderalis. (IMO) I was told Ruderalis originated in the Soviet Union and the term is to describe the varieties of HEMP that had escaped cultivation and adapted to the weather and light cycle in the surrounding regions. I learned they were originally cross bred so people could grow THC containing Cannabis OUTDOORS in these same regions.. Not so that people could grow better in their closets, that came later when the Hybrid made it to North America.. Again just what I learned, So maybe Im wrong.. But whatever, I guess we can agree to disagree there.. Good luck with ur ruderalis and your lame attitude! Maybe you should do YOUR research, learn to spell and then go bash people that are trying to help.. Id love to see that 21 percent Pakistani Ryder, I looked it up and found no THC content.. Did you do the test yourself? Please point me to the facts Sir
BTW SuTraGrow, how old are you and where did you learn to spell your post gave me a headache?
Maybe we will try the PH Swing using that new chart, but really I do think my OG Kush do allot better at 6.3 during all of flowering.. I use 5.6 for Rooting and Veging.
If you dont believe what I say follow my latest Journal here: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/354712-top-fed-drain-waste-journal.html.. I will be keeping it 6.3
Thanks Humbolt14 and good luck to ya!
N!pples[/QUOTE]
Theres a fine line between "Your Opinion" and just getting it dam wrong like you did
I see why you think your right using that ph chart especially when its just a blank picture lol. This like a secret message that the ph chart is anything you want it to be haha nice kinda a fail tho 
."pH (potential hydrogen) measures the acidity or alkalinity of your solution on a scale of 0 14. A solution is considered acidic below 7 and basic at 7 or higher. When working with hydroponics you typically want your pH to fall between 5.8 and 6.2. When growing in soil or coco you want your pH between 6.0 and 6.8. The most important rule to remember with pH is to avoid extremes. Nutrient lockout occurs with high and low pH levels"
Thats directly from Jorge Cervantes new edition Marijuana Horticulture medical grower bible. So please do your self and everybody on this forum a favor pick up a book and stop listening to your high school friends ok. Now im not saying i agree with him on everything. And i do think hes kinda a douche. But im pretty sure he did dedicated 30+ years of research and hundreds of thousands of dollars to mass produce his book. If hes just gonna pull shit out his ass whats the point of the book anyways. But you know best right?? Hes wrong your right kinda deal ehh?
Also please dont blame the plant for your failed grow. Ever hear the expression. Cars only as good as the driver. Same scenario in this case. Because even my frist run with any ruderalis mixed strain. few years back now i had amazing results. So i suggest you dial in your grow room first and try again not blame your fault on something other then your self. You'll never learn that way. I also didn't know this is a English writeing class. You ever notice how when somebody KNOWS they just gotten proven wrong and as a last result they try to diss on the other person punctuation. Hmm interesting
. ( http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/world-of-seeds/world-of-seeds-autoflowering/world-of-seeds-pakistan-ryder-autoflowering-feminized/prod_494.html ) there you go my friend 21.2% and i did grow/smoke this strain before and it is a really coach lock bastard of a high very nice tho and super clean high. You can go right ahead and do thing the wrong way. Congrats you can veg a plant a monkey that can tie his shoes can veg a plant. Its budding that people come up with the most problem. As the reason a plant flower is because its its last sign of defense and it know its gonna die off soon. So it tends to be a little weakened. And yes of course you'll still get a few harvests under your belt by doing things the wrong way. But hey up to you what kind of weed ya smoke i prefer not to smoke headache induced crap sorry.Also no your wrong again heres some really interesting information where it really came from. ( http://www.roll-a-joint.com/marijuana-history.html ) soviet union hehe nice.
And i dont want this to turn into 50 page debate. If you cant see the fact when there right in front of you. Then you only have yourself to blame.And im not in anyway trying to "bash" you. Just correct so you dont go out spreading bunk information to other growers on this forum .This is all just IMO
.Happy Growing friend .
N!pples
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I don’t want a 50 page debate either but when you are bashed by Think he Knows it all bully like yourself you must at least respond no?? English class huh, just simple English
I cant get links also: http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/mjgrow9d.htm http://hempfactsnow.com/?p=36
None of our links say where the hybrid was first originated… Keep looking!
I’m agreeing to disagree.. Keep acting childish if you like!!
N!pples
HAHA, If this is your book of choice and what you are suggesting your opinion is void to me... Try Hydroponic Food Production by Howard Resh or maybe the Greg Green Books Breeders bible and Growers Bible.. Cervantes is lame and 10 years ago! Oh boy, he had money and knew a little about growing weed, good for him.. Again, I dont care what you or any book says, for my grow I am doing 6.3 because its what my plants produce best at.. Again, this is opinion I have gained through experience not a Cervantes book...
I’m not really Passing blame on the plant, I just wasn’t ready for an auto flower and was confused.. I could have grown the things much large and had a much nicer harvest if they were not ruderalis.. So you’ve gotten a good harvest or two with a Hybrid, That’s Awesome.. I’d rather have the land race or any other hybrid not crossed with Ruderalis anyday...
OK?! I was just stating if you are going to Act like you know everything at least write like you know everything… I still don’t know I was proved wrong!
This says nothing about where “Ruderalis Hybrids” were originated?!?! This only quickly mentions the journey of Marijuana/hemp from china to the rest of the world…
I cant get links also: http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/mjgrow9d.htm http://hempfactsnow.com/?p=36
None of our links say where the hybrid was first originated… Keep looking!
I’m agreeing to disagree.. Keep acting childish if you like!!
N!pples
LOL! That sucks... Here is my 2 cents... 1. Try to get clones from a good mother.. Seeds take too long! 2. Ditch the Auto flower and control the light.. Its not that hard, you have a nice tent.. 3. With Hydo, keep your PH at 6.3 no higher and 5.6 at the lowest. 5.3 - 5.6 is fine for rooting but go for 6.3 when doing hydo... What was you nutrient recipie? This makes all the difference!
Better luck next time.. They get better and better as you go.... Eventually you will forget about that outdoor..
N!pples
Sigh. I do apologize in that case then should have know better then to argue with a ignorant child take care. Pick up a book and do your self a favor calm down ok
its just a forum.
N!pples
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I'm calm just a little baffeled as to how you can call me the ignorant child after what you started? Did you read your post or do your reasearch? My black PH chart is gray and dim but get some glasses if you cant see it.. I'm just giving you a little more insight to where I'm coming from after your rant/bash but you continue to act like god himself..Sigh. I do apologize in that case then should have know better then to argue with a ignorant child take care. Pick up a book and do your self a favor calm down ok
This is an open forum, and correct me if I'm wrong but its people like me who make the forum an interesting place to argue methods, ideas and recipies then maybe even show the results.. Its posts like yours that keep people that are just trying to help away, and that my friend is what is killing the future of forums like this..
For your information, I have read the Jore Cervantes Book, Both of Greg greens books and study the Hydroponic food production book regularly. I was mearly suggesting for him to try and keep his PH at 6.3 because its working great for me and MANY others... A new recipie to me but the one I am trying now can produce 2 LBS per 1000W PROVIN, not just forum talk... This recipie also calls for 6.3 for all of flowering... I grew for 2 years believing that 5.6-5.8 was perfect and I believe my harvests suffered. I have not lost ANY weight do to raising my PH to 6.3. Keeping this target range without going over 6.3 is alot harder with recycling systems and you have to go more for a PH range. On these I would suggest 5.8 and let it rise to 6.3.. I undestand that anything higher might be trouble but this is how I and many others roll.... Sorry you dont agree and it made you angry...
I'm sure you know by now that everyone has thier own way to grow and thier way is always the right way...
Just a forum is right, Cheers and happy growing to you also...