i didnt know i was growing a venus fly trap

Uvalax

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so i have had a plant for almost 5 weeks probably. Its been doing fine for so longuntil the leaves started to droop bad. I am pretty positive Ima shitty parent and have been way over-watering it, but now the top leaves are closing like a book/venus fly trap.:wall:

I just can't get ahead with a healthy plant.

Is it because of temp(low 80's)?

Another effect of overwatering?

....?
 

sambo020482

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it aint ya temps m8 low 80s is ok perfect temp is around 75f day 65f night.

sounds like the overwatering? are you giving nutes? but obviuosly pics would help.
 

HookdOnChronics

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Yea probably over watering...
If you actually want to grow, and actually want some advice and will listen to it, I'll help you... But I need to know some details about your op/setup fisrt.

Like what kind and what wattage of lights are you using?

What kind of soil are you using?

What kind of nutrients are you using? Any?

How often are you feeding nutrients? If at all...

How often and how MUCH are you watering?

What size pot is it in?

How big is the plant itself?

Start there, and I'll see what I can do for you..... Sound good?

All I know is what you told me, which is "temp is 80 and plant is 5 weeks old, some leaves are closing and some leaves are drooping"..... That tells me almost NOTHING except for what's wrong! lol, not what's causing, what's wrong... Make sense? need more info to try and give the proper advice
 

growone

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could be over watering, maybe a combination of things
but the rolled up leaves is called canoeing, it's usually a smoking gun for too much heat
if your humidity levels are high, it may not have to be that hot, or if you air ventilation isn't all it could be
 

Uvalax

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to growone, it might be the shock from moving from the window at ~75 F to the 83 degree zone its in.

and to hookdonchronics thanks man. I was trying to get the point across fast cause sometimes people wont give a shit about your thread if its too long :cuss:

im just gonna copy and paste, and answer under it

Like what kind and what wattage of lights are you using?
CFL-2-30 watt 2700k 1 13 watt- daylight (real blue in color, whatever k that is), and 1 daylight bulb that I dontknow watts, i think 23?

What kind of soil are you using?
its a pro seed starter mix and leftover soil from last year that the plants died, i put the cups in my closet, the soil dryed up and i crumbled them up into the mix(mystery mix honestly but its been working up until now...ph is about 6.3)

What kind of nutrients are you using? Any?
None, although I just transplanted it into some sta-green moisture control potting soil, i think it might have ferts

How often are you feeding nutrients? If at all...
n/a

How often and how MUCH are you watering?
idk, im kinda sparatic with it, but i spray it with a spray bottle so it doesnt really put a lot of water into the soil, it just looks like it.

What size pot is it in?
it was in a small caintainer, 3-4 inches and heard it might be root bound, so i transplanted it into a 6" pot with the sta-green last night
How big is the plant itself?
I believe it was pushing 6 inches before it drooped

THere you go

Thanks again for the help man:clap::clap:
 

CaNNaBiZ CaNucK

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Your leaves closing up and resembling, as you described, 'a venus fly trap' or an extreme 'V' shape could be indicating a serious magnesium deficiency. I would recommend some cal-mag pronto. But it may just be a case of feeding them some nutrients in general, seeing as you were using some old soil and they are 5 weeks old with no food whatsoever.
 

growone

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nothing seems to stand out, could be a lot of things
is there a fan or something that moves the air?
still air is more likely to have heat issues than air in motion
 

Uvalax

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i only have one fan so ive been experimenting with it. right now i have it blowing air out of the box.
 

HookdOnChronics

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Alright bro. I'm going to be poeting this as if it was me in your shoes. ok?.. You can take what you want and leave what you don't, but this is what I PERSONALLY would do.

to growone, it might be the shock from moving from the window at ~75 F to the 83 degree zone its in.
I dunno if this would cause it or not. Cuz my flower room is anywhere from 80-84 degrees when lights on. And when lights off it gets to around 68-69, and I don't have your problem.

Like what kind and what wattage of lights are you using?
CFL-2-30 watt 2700k 1 13 watt- daylight (real blue in color, whatever k that is), and 1 daylight bulb that I dontknow watts, i think 23?
Ok, the 2700K lights are what you are going to need for flower. The daylight bulbs are 6500K and that's what you wanna use for veg. Some will say to use a mixed spectrum in both, for example a 3/1 ratio of 2700K/6500K in flower, and 3/1 ratio of 6500K/2700K in veg, and you can if you want. But I personally do not. If you think about HID lights, people use MH for veg (which the 6500K CFL's are closest to) and HPS for flower (which the 2700K CFL's are closest to) {You can veg with HPS too, or 2700K CFL's, it's just slightly slower growth}
Anyway, now that all that info is out of the way... Your going to want at least 100 ACTUAL watts PER plant, if you want a decent result.

What kind of soil are you using?
its a pro seed starter mix and leftover soil from last year that the plants died, i put the cups in my closet, the soil dryed up and i crumbled them up into the mix(mystery mix honestly but its been working up until now...ph is about 6.3)
Hmmm, because it's a seed starter mix and old left over soil together, I'm assuming there are probably pretty much no nutrients in your soil.

What kind of nutrients are you using? Any?
None, although I just transplanted it into some sta-green moisture control potting soil, i think it might have ferts
Do you still have the bag? It should say on ther at least what your NPK is, if it has nutes.

How often are you feeding nutrients? If at all...
n/a
And you said this plant is 5 weeks old. Now I'm definitely thinking it's a deficiency! Possibly/probably a Magnesium deficiency. She is hungry man, WAY hungry! Get some MG all purpose plant food, it's like 8 bucks I think. And use it at 1/4 strength the recomended dose.

How often and how MUCH are you watering?
idk, im kinda sparatic with it, but i spray it with a spray bottle so it doesnt really put a lot of water into the soil, it just looks like it.
Me personally, I NEVER spray the actual plant itself. There really is no point IMHO!.. Also, the plant and it's roots like a wet/dry cycle. What I mean by this is: Water the plant, and I mean massivally water the plant. Untill you get a nice amount of water coming out of the hole(s) in the bottom of the pot. Then DO NOT water it again, or even spray it untill the top 1-1/2 to 2 inches of soil are dry... THEN water again the SAME way.

What size pot is it in?
it was in a small caintainer, 3-4 inches and heard it might be root bound, so i transplanted it into a 6" pot with the sta-green last night
It really did needed a bigger pot! Good thing you transplanted, did it look rootbound when you did? And it may still need a bigger pot, depending on when you want to flower.

How big is the plant itself?
I believe it was pushing 6 inches before it drooped
Your plant is really stunted.... I'm now thinking from no nutes and possibly under watering. You said you water randomly and just with a sprayer..... Do you ever actually pour water in the pot untill it starts to come out the bottom hole(s)?
I'm really starting to wonder if it's under watering... In fact I'm almost willing to BET on it! Which is weird cuz it's usually the exact opposite problem most people face. Try watering like I said earlier. I'm betting it will help.

THere you go
Thank you for giving out the info the best you can. Some people don't realize that we need YOU to help US help YOU! lol, So thankyou!

Thanks again for the help man:clap::clap:
No problem man, hopefully this sloves your issues!
I just read about your fan aswell. You are good, you want the fan to be PULLING air out of the box! A fan is much more efficient PULLING air than it is PUSHING it. Ya feel me? You may end up needing another one tho...

Just for a comparison for you, These plants I'm attaching pictures of are 5 and 1/2 weeks old at the point this picture was taken. Yours should be {somewhat} close to them in size...

-Hookd
 

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Uvalax

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Ok lets see, first off, this is just a head start on the outdoor season. they were gonna go out relativley soon.
second i keep thelights on 24 hrs, because i dont want to plug 4 lights through extension cords through one timer.
I have some MG ill throw in next watering, which i just started using a water bottle for, and in the manner you described
I have also been trying to buy fox farm ferts but cant find the best price.

the plant is beginnning to look healthier after its thorough watering yesterday. and i will give it some of that MG. Would it be bad to give it MG then switch to fox farm when i get it?

the NPK of the Sta-green is 0.14-0.11-0.08.....

the leaves are starting to yellow, and ive read a sign of (i cant remembe but i think over watering, maybe heat stress) is yellowing leaves from the lower leaves up, which is happening now

I just took some photoes on my phone will postin a minute
 

HookdOnChronics

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i keep thelights on 24 hrs, because i dont want to plug 4 lights through extension cords through one timer.
I have 12 lights w/6 extension cords, a 450CFM fan, and 2 50CFM fans all pluged into a surge protector the is pluged into one timer. So I wouldn't worry about it, unless you just don't want to do it.

I have some MG ill throw in next watering, which i just started using a water bottle for, and in the manner you described
Good

I have also been trying to buy fox farm ferts but cant find the best price.
No point, IMHO, since you already have the MG nutes, right?..

the plant is beginnning to look healthier after its thorough watering yesterday. and i will give it some of that MG. Would it be bad to give it MG then switch to fox farm when i get it?
No I don't see a problem in doing this. I mean it's just nutrients that the plant is gonna need anyway, I don't see why it would matter which brand. BTW, just a little FYI here, but I use MG nutes ONLY. Through both veg and flower, works great if you know how to use it. Just in case you didn't feel like spending a tone of money on nutes.

the NPK of the Sta-green is 0.14-0.11-0.08.....

the leaves are starting to yellow, and ive read a sign of (i cant remembe but i think over watering, maybe heat stress) is yellowing leaves from the lower leaves up, which is happening now
Probably not over watering, possibly heat stress, possibly hungry as heck for some N.

I just took some photoes on my phone will postin a minute
I'll come back whenever the pix are up. That'll help a LOT in figuring this out.
 

Uvalax

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oh and theyre turning to the other side of the box because theirs more light so i resituated it all, and the ruler on the third one is an inch off after i transplanted
 

growone

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plant doesn't look bad, not real bad anyways, i do think i see some yellowing of the lower leaf set
plant looks large for size of pot, i'd think it's well filled with root, may be time to move up to larger pot
the yellowing lower leaves may be a sign of lack of nitrogen, they nitrogen in these leaves is being drained and channeled to the new growth, which gets 'priority' over older growth
 
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