I don't understand long veg times.

As the title says I don't get long veg times. Aren't we better off vegging shorter times with more plants? In other words wouldnt four plants at 4 week veg create more biomass faster than say two plants at 8 weeks veg? The longer veg times just creates more lollypopping in my opinion. Am I completely off base here?

pegboy said:

As the title says I don't get long veg times. Aren't we better off vegging shorter times with more plants? In other words wouldnt four plants at 4 week veg create more biomass faster than say two plants at 8 weeks veg? The longer veg times just creates more lollypopping in my opinion. Am I completely off base here?

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In Canada many growers are limited to growing 4 plants making longer veg beneficial.

Both have benefits and drawbacks

Its easier to manage, monitor and dial in one plant compared to say 20. We also have legalities and plant count to take in to consideration.

pegboy said:

As the title says I don't get long veg times. Aren't we better off vegging shorter times with more plants? In other words wouldnt four plants at 4 week veg create more biomass faster than say two plants at 8 weeks veg? The longer veg times just creates more lollypopping in my opinion. Am I completely off base here?

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From a yield standpoint, yeah it doesn't make difference. Though you could pull the same weight, quicker with more plants as you say thanks to a shorter veg time. I think it comes down to some people want to stick to their plant limits, conserve seeds (they can be pricey, and not everyone hoards them), or they just like dorking around with their plants doing lots of training because it's fun.

More than the long veg time, I don't understand wanting to grow just a couple plants, and spending all that time on something you might not even like all those months later when you finally harvest. If you're gonna stick to 4 and do a long veg time, at least grow 4 different strains so you have some variety and insurance that you end up with something decent. If they're 4 keepers, well that's different then.

But I can't stress enough cloning everything, and putting your eyeballs on as many plants as possible. It's easy to find and grow decent weed, but you gotta hunt for the truly outstanding ones.

Long veg is supposed to mean more flowers. But you can quicken the process by flipping early like when the plants are about 12 inches.

I won't do clones as they are ugly and more work than healthy vigorous seeds.

I only veg for 3-4 weeks.

I veg as long as I can, taking into consideration height limitations and anticipated stretch. Normally around 60 days.

I veg long because I run perpetual. 10 week flower = 10 week veg. More plants for when I'm behind on veg

I veg short, because I don't have have height. So I put more plants to fill the area faster.

It's a case-by-case thing but very generally speaking, I agree with o.p.

When I was getting started growing & doing my "research", I'd see so many people with 4 and 5 ft tall indoor plants, and the bottom 3-4 ft was bare branches? --WHY THO?? It seems like "more plant to feed" but "less plant to harvest"?. . ...But then I'd see those donkey-dick colas and be like "OH, okay"

On average, me personally, I veg for 28-35 days then flip, only because I want quick turnarounds. That's it. I want everything to be done as soon as it can, BUT, i still want to maximize each plants' potential as best but also as easily as I can.

My opinion on ppl who veg longer: THEIR top priority, quality aside, is (probably) yield. Mine, personally is speed.

long veg + side lighting is the way to do it especially if you have plant limits

Everybody’s growing goals, needs are different. Some people may want to veg shorter for height or faster runs etc. I veg as long as needed until they have filled the space with canopy. Having separate grow areas for veg/flowering/clones/seeds/drying room etc makes it easier to stay perpetual and don’t really care if it’s 4 weeks or 8 weeks for a vegging plant. I throw whatever is ready or want to flower in my flowering space when I’m ready for the next run. I sometimes use stands for squattier plants to match the same height as others.

I used to grow big plants outdoors. They veg quite a while and outdoor yields can be 20lbs per 20ft plant.

I now grow old school "Sativa" indoors, the loose growth allows more light to penetrate. So everything is 7ft and the canopy nearly reaches the soil. No larf because they are fed properly and we don't dim lights to bandaid nutrient issues.

Anyone growing a flat canopy is wasting time with veg. The concept of a flat canopy is outdated. If your canopy is shorter than the shaved legs under it, you've wasted time. More surface area exposed is the goal. 2D is the smallest surface area in a 3D space.

BeauVida said:

I used to grow big plants outdoors. They veg quite a while and outdoor yields can be 20lbs per 20ft plant.

I now grow old school "Sativa" indoors, the loose growth allows more light to penetrate. So everything is 7ft and the canopy nearly reaches the soil. No larf because they are fed properly and we don't dim lights to bandaid nutrient issues.

Anyone growing a flat canopy is wasting time with veg. The concept of a flat canopy is outdated. If your canopy is shorter than the shaved legs under it, you've wasted time. More surface area exposed is the goal. 2D is the smallest surface area in a 3D space.

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Thanks for the advice.........but I never grow sativas because they take too long.
I'm happy with yielding enough to last me a year in a 4x4 tent.

I'd love to do a SOG grow but alas I am legally limited to 12 plants a year. So I try to maximize my 12 plants yield and potency. 3 times a year I harvest 4 plants which give me from 12 to 16 oz's of cured and trimmed buds. Usually that will last me and the wife until the next crop is ready [just barely though]. I grow 4 different strains each grow because variety is the spice of life right? The cost of seeds is a factor for me. I haven't had great success cloning, besides which, I haven't found the "one" strain that I would want to smoke all the time anyway. So always on the lookout for cheap seeds, most efficient and easiest [laziest] growing method.

3 weeks veg
12 plants (clone)
Ready to flip. (And thin)
Apparently I've wasted 3 weeks of veg time with a flat canopy.

Jjgrow420 said:

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3 weeks veg
12 plants (clone)
Ready to flip. (And thin)

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I wish they sold mattresses like that

Budzbuddha said:

I wish they sold mattresses like that

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I'd sleep on it. Hundo.

pegboy said:

As the title says I don't get long veg times. Aren't we better off vegging shorter times with more plants? In other words wouldnt four plants at 4 week veg create more biomass faster than say two plants at 8 weeks veg? The longer veg times just creates more lollypopping in my opinion. Am I completely off base here?

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It's all about your goals and limitations.

There's no dogma. Do what works for you.