I Feel That Dispensary's Are A Rip Off

UncleBuck said:
those expenses do not factor in electric to power the lights, the cost of fans for ventilation, the cost of electric to run those fans, the cost of containers to put the soil into, it lowballs the soil costs and nutrient costs, does not take into account the time to veg, acquisition of seeds or clones, cloning materials and set up to keep the operation going, another light for a veg space, and just about 487 other expenses that come with building and maintaining a competent grow set up.

not to mention the costs of just getting legal in the first place, which is $300 annually unless you are on food stamps, in which case it is closer to $150 or so.

and i hear to clone the unicorn you need to snip off the end of its tail and dip it into warm, sterile soil and keep it in a low light, humid area. :mrgreen:
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and no one is counting all the man hours it takes??/ this shit doesn't grow itself!!!!
 
mcpurple said:
i get free weed all the time. its called a great grower
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your grower is most likely giving you enough free to satisfy you, and then turning over the rest of what he grows on your card to cover expenses.

so your free weed is thanks to the same sentiment that this thread seems to condemn. ponder that.
 
poplars said:
and no one is counting all the man hours it takes??/ this shit doesn't grow itself!!!!
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in our state, laws prohibit us from accepting reimbursement for our labor. supplies and utilities only.

that is one i'd like to see changed, although it wouldn't add a whole hell of a lot to the expense totals.
 
UncleBuck said:
in our state, laws prohibit us from accepting reimbursement for our labor. supplies and utilities only.

that is one i'd like to see changed, although it wouldn't add a whole hell of a lot to the expense totals.
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meh I don't care if the state disagrees that's what everyone I know weighs their prices out on. how much work they put into it. we all try to get 2000 a pound but like I said shit is fucked up here and they make us scrounge for 1500...fuckin douche bags.
 
UncleBuck said:
your grower is most likely giving you enough free to satisfy you, and then turning over the rest of what he grows on your card to cover expenses.

so your free weed is thanks to the same sentiment that this thread seems to condemn. ponder that.
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If i can care for multiple patient and myself and sell overage to dispensaries to collect compensation then good. The dispensary-type places won't be the only way to get meds. Only the "high class" tokers will be regulars there. People tend to group together based on humility rather than ego.
 
I agree that disp are a rip off. Making a profit is fine, but the mark ups are unreasonable.

I dislike people using the old adage "you get what you pay for". Sometimes that is true, but not usually. If I purchase something, mark it up 500% and then resell it to you then you most certainly did not "get what you paid for", you got ripped off.

With my current set up I use about $200-$240 in electricity. Soil is relatively cheap, maybe $20-40 for a few month supply. Nutes are maybe $100 for a several month supply. I put in maybe 1-2 hours tending the garden, 1-2 times a week. I water an additional 1-2 days a week for just a short amount of time. Maybe 5 hours per week, or 20-25 hours/mo. Harvest time takes up about 25 hours per month.

Disregarding initial investments it costs me approximately $260/mo in electricity and supplies and about 50 man hours total (I get help harvesting). And from that I end up with about a pound per month.

If I say man hours are worth $10/hr (you may say your time is worth more, but this is untaxed man hours, and its nearly all busy work that could theoretically be outsourced to someone who doesn't posses the skills to earn more than $10/hr) then that's $500 labor costs total.

$260 + $500 = $760 to produce 16 ounces, or $47.50/oz. That is about $1.70/g production. Selling it at $5/g would give me $3.30 profit per gram. With 448 grams per month I could easily recover my initial investment within a short period. It would be $1478.40 profit per month after accounting for everything including labor.

Anyone who is a smoker should probably account for loss of product though. Upwards of 20% of my product simply goes up in smoke :joint::hump:

$400/oz is absolutely disgusting though and is pure greed. Far too much middle man and greed to drive the price up that high.
 
UncleBuck said:
in our state, laws prohibit us from accepting reimbursement for our labor. supplies and utilities only.

that is one i'd like to see changed, although it wouldn't add a whole hell of a lot to the expense totals.
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Yeah, not cool. idk about the $50/hr rate most seem to apply from what i hear, but reasonable isn't a problem. i can live on $20/hr.
 
guy incognito said:
I agree that disp are a rip off. Making a profit is fine, but the mark ups are unreasonable.

I dislike people using the old adage "you get what you pay for". Sometimes that is true, but not usually. If I purchase something, mark it up 500% and then resell it to you then you most certainly did not "get what you paid for", you got ripped off.

With my current set up I use about $200-$240 in electricity. Soil is relatively cheap, maybe $20-40 for a few month supply. Nutes are maybe $100 for a several month supply. I put in maybe 1-2 hours tending the garden, 1-2 times a week. I water an additional 1-2 days a week for just a short amount of time. Maybe 5 hours per week, or 20-25 hours/mo. Harvest time takes up about 25 hours per month.

Disregarding initial investments it costs me approximately $260/mo in electricity and supplies and about 50 man hours total (I get help harvesting). And from that I end up with about a pound per month.

If I say man hours are worth $10/hr (you may say your time is worth more, but this is untaxed man hours, and its nearly all busy work that could theoretically be outsourced to someone who doesn't posses the skills to earn more than $10/hr) then that's $500 labor costs total.

$260 + $500 = $760 to produce 16 ounces, or $47.50/oz. That is about $1.70/g production. Selling it at $5/g would give me $3.30 profit per gram. With 448 grams per month I could easily recover my initial investment within a short period. It would be $1478.40 profit per month after accounting for everything including labor.

Anyone who is a smoker should probably account for loss of product though. Upwards of 20% of my product simply goes up in smoke :joint::hump:

$400/oz is absolutely disgusting though and is pure greed. Far too much middle man and greed to drive the price up that high.
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Another man speaking truth!!! +REP Guy!
 
gfreeman said:
cliffhanger. dear sir you are dumb. no i take that back since i dont know you. but, that statement is dumb. saying someones opinion is dumb because you say so and nothing more is dumb.

^see how i explained how i think your statement was dumb. this keeps me from looking dumb, since i explained why i feel this way. dumb sir. im sure whatever you had to say wouldnt of taken an hour anyway. it was just probably not well articulated and sounded better in your head, where it should remain. seeing as you look upon others down your nose. such opinions should be left where they originate. in ur head.:mrgreen:
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I stated my explanation would follow approximately an hour later, all I had time for at the time was to say it was dumb (and this isn't elementary school, there is in fact such things as dumb questions and dumb opinions).

Ok. i used the one four-letter f-word i get onto my son for using b/c NotHiNg(THAT would be random capitalization sir) in life is "fair". NOTHING!
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Some things in life are fair. For instance, 3 buddies + myself all chipped in equally for a P, it was distributed equally with a QP going to each participant. That's part of life, and that's fair. Now you're arbitrarily capitalizing random words for emphasis backing an untrue principle. Not much in life is "fair," but when you capitalize "NOTHING," and get an example to the contrary, I'm fairly certain it makes you look childish.

It is far from a free market now and without a free market you will not see prices regulated by supply and demand w/o greedy bastards who think they are entitled to own the largest share of EVERYTHING manipulating said markey and do it at the expense of the less fortunate im-humbly educated-o. You are the one who took higher-education economics so you must see that it is true if you have a conscience.
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But it is a free market. There are very few barriers to market entry, not an extraordinarily high start up cost, and many small firms in competition. My youngest brother who didn't quite make it to Cornell could have told you that after his second semester at community college in the business administration program. Now that we've established that it is a free market, and you're less intelligent than someone attending community college we can move on.

The reefer is a renewable resource with a pretty high price elasticity of demand. There isn't a Wal-Mart of dispensaries that has a monopoly on all of the dispensaries in an area, there is no conspiracy, it's just been determined through market research that 20$ a gram (or whatever they're charging that you're complaining about) is the optimal price for maximizing revenue.

Selling weed out of a dispensary isn't about having a conscious (besides I'd figure only 20% of people really need it as medication, if that), it's about running a profitable business. You wouldn't complain to a painting company that their prices are too high, even though a freshly painted house provides similar (in other aspects obviously) marginal benefit. You wouldn't complain to a grocery store that their prices are too high even though you need the food to survive (food that was incidentally grown very similarly to the way marijuana is grown).

Bottom line is substitute your bleeding heart liberalism for an understanding of small business, then stop buying from dispensaries and grow your own if you have a problem with small business staying in business. Businesses that provide a substantial amount of reefer to people at a price that they are satisfied with paying.
 
guy incognito said:
I agree that disp are a rip off. Making a profit is fine, but the mark ups are unreasonable.

I dislike people using the old adage "you get what you pay for". Sometimes that is true, but not usually. If I purchase something, mark it up 500% and then resell it to you then you most certainly did not "get what you paid for", you got ripped off.

With my current set up I use about $200-$240 in electricity. Soil is relatively cheap, maybe $20-40 for a few month supply. Nutes are maybe $100 for a several month supply. I put in maybe 1-2 hours tending the garden, 1-2 times a week. I water an additional 1-2 days a week for just a short amount of time. Maybe 5 hours per week, or 20-25 hours/mo. Harvest time takes up about 25 hours per month.

Disregarding initial investments it costs me approximately $260/mo in electricity and supplies and about 50 man hours total (I get help harvesting). And from that I end up with about a pound per month.

If I say man hours are worth $10/hr (you may say your time is worth more, but this is untaxed man hours, and its nearly all busy work that could theoretically be outsourced to someone who doesn't posses the skills to earn more than $10/hr) then that's $500 labor costs total.

$260 + $500 = $760 to produce 16 ounces, or $47.50/oz. That is about $1.70/g production. Selling it at $5/g would give me $3.30 profit per gram. With 448 grams per month I could easily recover my initial investment within a short period. It would be $1478.40 profit per month after accounting for everything including labor.

Anyone who is a smoker should probably account for loss of product though. Upwards of 20% of my product simply goes up in smoke :joint::hump:

$400/oz is absolutely disgusting though and is pure greed. Far too much middle man and greed to drive the price up that high.
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I think your man hours are off.

outdoor plants start in may and end in october.

thats several months of atleast 4 hours a day work.

time to recalculate.

plus it also takes away from your life, you can't leave the property during harvest season so you essentially are doing 2 jobs, security, and tending to the plants. so that goes up to a lot higher than 10 dollars an hour, atleast 15.
 
NotYouAgain said:
I stated my explanation would follow approximately an hour later, all I had time for at the time was to say it was dumb (and this isn't elementary school, there is in fact such things as dumb questions and dumb opinions).


Some things in life are fair. For instance, 3 buddies + myself all chipped in equally for a P, it was distributed equally with a QP going to each participant. That's part of life, and that's fair. Now you're arbitrarily capitalizing random words for emphasis backing an untrue principle. Not much in life is "fair," but when you capitalize "NOTHING," and get an example to the contrary, I'm fairly certain it makes you look childish.


But it is a free market. There are very few barriers to market entry, not an extraordinarily high start up cost, and many small firms in competition. My youngest brother who didn't quite make it to Cornell could have told you that after his second semester at community college in the business administration program. Now that we've established that it is a free market, and you're less intelligent than someone attending community college we can move on.

The reefer is a renewable resource with a pretty high price elasticity of demand. There isn't a Wal-Mart of dispensaries that has a monopoly on all of the dispensaries in an area, there is no conspiracy, it's just been determined through market research that 20$ a gram (or whatever they're charging that you're complaining about) is the optimal price for maximizing revenue.

Selling weed out of a dispensary isn't about having a conscious (besides I'd figure only 20% of people really need it as medication, if that), it's about running a profitable business. You wouldn't complain to a painting company that their prices are too high, even though a freshly painted house provides similar (in other aspects obviously) marginal benefit. You wouldn't complain to a grocery store that their prices are too high even though you need the food to survive (food that was incidentally grown very similarly to the way marijuana is grown).

Bottom line is substitute your bleeding heart liberalism for an understanding of small business, then stop buying from dispensaries and grow your own if you have a problem with small business staying in business. Businesses that provide a substantial amount of reefer to people at a price that they are satisfied with paying.
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Tu Shay compadre. tu shay
 
poplars said:
I think your man hours are off.

outdoor plants start in may and end in october.

thats several months of atleast 4 hours a day work.

time to recalculate.

plus it also takes away from your life, you can't leave the property during harvest season so you essentially are doing 2 jobs, security, and tending to the plants. so that goes up to a lot higher than 10 dollars an hour, atleast 15.
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No, I only grow indoors. No security detail because only 4 trusted people know I grow.
 
guy incognito said:
No, I only grow indoors. No security detail because only 4 trusted people know I grow.
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well I explained why high grade outdoor should cost atleast 200 an oz with that statement.

but that's w/ overhead and shit, I only expect 2200 a pound, which is about 145 an oz... for high grade....
 
NotYouAgain said:
I stated my explanation would follow approximately an hour later, all I had time for at the time was to say it was dumb (and this isn't elementary school, there is in fact such things as dumb questions and dumb opinions).


Some things in life are fair. For instance, 3 buddies + myself all chipped in equally for a P, it was distributed equally with a QP going to each participant. That's part of life, and that's fair. Now you're arbitrarily capitalizing random words for emphasis backing an untrue principle. Not much in life is "fair," but when you capitalize "NOTHING," and get an example to the contrary, I'm fairly certain it makes you look childish.


But it is a free market. There are very few barriers to market entry, not an extraordinarily high start up cost, and many small firms in competition. My youngest brother who didn't quite make it to Cornell could have told you that after his second semester at community college in the business administration program. Now that we've established that it is a free market, and you're less intelligent than someone attending community college we can move on.

The reefer is a renewable resource with a pretty high price elasticity of demand. There isn't a Wal-Mart of dispensaries that has a monopoly on all of the dispensaries in an area, there is no conspiracy, it's just been determined through market research that 20$ a gram (or whatever they're charging that you're complaining about) is the optimal price for maximizing revenue.

Selling weed out of a dispensary isn't about having a conscious (besides I'd figure only 20% of people really need it as medication, if that), it's about running a profitable business. You wouldn't complain to a painting company that their prices are too high, even though a freshly painted house provides similar (in other aspects obviously) marginal benefit. You wouldn't complain to a grocery store that their prices are too high even though you need the food to survive (food that was incidentally grown very similarly to the way marijuana is grown).

Bottom line is substitute your bleeding heart liberalism for an understanding of small business, then stop buying from dispensaries and grow your own if you have a problem with small business staying in business. Businesses that provide a substantial amount of reefer to people at a price that they are satisfied with paying.
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Nice ad hominem attacks Not(pun just worked out ;) ).

Let me more clearly state my intent and hopefully can get a non-egotistical response.

An UNmAniPUlateD free market. If you think there is not MAJOR manipulation of market, especially this one, all the Cornell eduacation in the world won't help you understand my position.
 
poplars said:
I think your man hours are off.

outdoor plants start in may and end in october.

thats several months of atleast 4 hours a day work.

time to recalculate.

plus it also takes away from your life, you can't leave the property during harvest season so you essentially are doing 2 jobs, security, and tending to the plants. so that goes up to a lot higher than 10 dollars an hour, atleast 15.
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although i respect guyincognito's calculation to some degree, you make an excellent point that needs to be taken into account.

guyincognito, although i love your avatar and laugh a little on the inside every time i see it, i have to take issue with some of your calculations, namely that you can't pull a pound a month using only $20-$40 in soil every "few months" as well as other things. but first i need to go take a dump.
 
oh no. hes going to take a dump. dont you know all hell is about to break loose. lmao.

sorry. i find tiolet humor surprisingly funny. along with homer wit a stash
 
A 5 gal bucket holds roughly 1 cu ft of soil based on my experience of filling one and having 1/4 to 1/2 a 1.5 cu ft bag.

Just my contributing observation. As for pulling the pound? Well some can and some can't.
 
UncleBuck said:
although i respect guyincognito's calculation to some degree, you make an excellent point that needs to be taken into account.

guyincognito, although i love your avatar and laugh a little on the inside every time i see it, i have to take issue with some of your calculations, namely that you can't pull a pound a month using only $20-$40 in soil every "few months" as well as other things. but first i need to go take a dump.
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8 x 3gal pots = 24 gallons of soil = 96 quarts of soil in a single 4x4 tent under 1,000 watt hps.

One tent comes down each month, meaning I use 96 quarts of soil every month.

64 quart bags of miracle grow moisture control soil is about $13. 96/64 x $13 = $19.50

I did forget to add the perlite into the equation. I'm still running strong on my second $20 bag, though I have been scaling up production as I learn. I would say less than $10/mo for the perlite, and certainly less than $40/mo for final soil mixture.
 
guy incognito said:
8 x 3gal pots = 24 gallons of soil = 96 quarts of soil in a single 4x4 tent under 1,000 watt hps.

One tent comes down each month, meaning I use 96 quarts of soil every month.

64 quart bags of miracle grow moisture control soil is about $13. 96/64 x $13 = $19.50

I did forget to add the perlite into the equation. I'm still running strong on my second $20 bag, though I have been scaling up production as I learn. I would say less than $10/mo for the perlite, and certainly less than $40/mo for final soil mixture.
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i was calculating based on my own experience as well.

one bag of fox farm for $14 (i can buy for as little as $12.50, but need to spend $2.50 on gas to get it, so the $14 bag is cheaper in the end) can fill 3 of my buckets. i do 6 buckets, so 2 bags per cycle = $28. add perlite, which is $18 for a huge bag that mixes 6 buckets. so $28 + $18 = $46 for one go around that does not pull a pound a month, as your original calculation said. if you want to pull a pound each month, double that.

don't forget the gas money required to get you to the store and back. and i believe that gas goes into a car, which costs money to buy, insure, and maintain.

don't forget that the plants take up a certain percentage of the space of the home, which costs money to rent or buy.

and don't forget that tents are not free and do depreciate, just like lamps, fans, and everything else (a good accountant always factors in depreciation).

and lights don't hang magically from the sky, you need hardware to do so. and you need to go to a store to get it. which costs money as well.

do you grow indoors in the summer? be sure to account for the air conditioning, which takes up many kilowatts.

do you water your plants with free water, or does it come from the tap? do you pay a monthly water bill and use a certain percentage of it on your plants? factor that in.

ever get bugs, mold, etc? factor in the cost to control those issues.

in any case, the calculation i come to is generally in the $105- $120 per ounce range for top shelf, indoor meds.

that is giving away my labor for free, which is in the range of 20-25 hours per week.
 
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