rkymtnman
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would be interesting to study pores after a grow.
especially when using: only salt nutes, salt nutes with some organics, all organics, bennies v sterile, etc.
I GOTTA LOSE THE AIR PUMPS! HOW?! Plus my awesome mini DWC :)
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especially when using: only salt nutes, salt nutes with some organics, all organics, bennies v sterile, etc.
rkymtnman
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you should see my spare parts shelf. i think i'm covered for anything dying during a grow. lol.
fragileassassin
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I have both in my flower system.. to lazy to find pics.. but my feed lines into each site have like a sprayer head that shoots down into the water and agitates it. I also have 1 stone with roughly 18lpm to it in each site iirc. Feed lines for water and air are both equal length. I did well equalizing pressure of both across my sites.
Just been playing with both, have had good results with just the sprayers in veg tent but started having issues when it got close to 80. Flower has so much water volume i almost need the air pumps to keep water temps up.
Just been playing with both, have had good results with just the sprayers in veg tent but started having issues when it got close to 80. Flower has so much water volume i almost need the air pumps to keep water temps up.
rkymtnman
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thats how i built mine. when i was testing it, it would redden your skin fairly quick from so much force/volume of water. like one of those showers after a nuclear incident.
I think the angle of entry is important also.
fragileassassin
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flower and veg.
Flower has i think 800gph per 6 sites. 5 holes drilled in a line across the caps in a 45 degree angle
Veg has less room, so 5 in a star-ish pattern that spray straight down. I think I settled on the 1400pgh for 12 buckets? they have some force.
Flower has i think 800gph per 6 sites. 5 holes drilled in a line across the caps in a 45 degree angle
Veg has less room, so 5 in a star-ish pattern that spray straight down. I think I settled on the 1400pgh for 12 buckets? they have some force.
Airwalker16
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You are so wrong
Airwalker16
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The difference between air pumps and a single 450gph pump is HUGE in regards to sound
Airwalker16
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Ive personally helped 4 people build a system like mine and all of them have had success without the need for any airstones
Airwalker16
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Air stones in my eyes are a porous breeding ground for bacteria. They sit and dry between runs, just to be dropped right back into EVERY SITE again at the time they're needed. I'm so far from airstones I'll never use them again.
fragileassassin
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Agreed
the grow in my sig I decided to stop and I ignored for over a month after that with just an auto top off barrel to see what would happen.
They were huge, healthy, and busting out of that 5x5 when i chopped them down. No air, just strong waterfalls, hydroguard, and a little temperature management.
my air pumps are loud, I hang them in the backs of my tents so the sound of the water drowns them out. I can hear the one on my mother box right now from where I am sitting. I just dont mind the ambient noise as I hate silence anyway lol.
Also agreed on bacteria, but everything gets a peroxide bath going into next grow anyway. After everythings cleaned from heavy deposits it gets run with a fairly heavy peroxide solution for a few days then rinsed a couple times. Even boiled all my stones in our biggest pot.
This is the bias I'm talking about.
Who doesn't clean thier airstones in peroxide or bleach .. would you put your dirty nozzles back in a system.
Honestly noise will be better but growth will be no different than if using a proper airstone and pump. No different than using underated water pump.
This statement is rediculous... The bacteria is in the air no matter what and WILL be in contact with your water and waterfalls.
Waterfalls are great and they work but the notion the grow bigger healthier plants and prevent root rot and allow using higher temps is just plain bullshit. They do have some advantages like noise reduction. Maybe easier to clean. Less replacement of lines sure but let's be real here
Sdh777
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I have a very similar set up with spray heads & stones. I went with this approach because I travel often for work, so if one method fails while I’m gone, the other should hopefully sustain my crop.
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Depends.... If CO2 concentrations are higher where the air is taken from.