I have a hermie. Don't know what to do or to expect.

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rkymtnman said:
do you have any weed in storage right now? or is this all you were gonna have? if so, then harvest and pluck the balls off
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Not even one gram in storage right now. I stopped growing for a while and now I've started again. With a new setup. Powerfull LED and so on. First time using powerfull LEDs. So yeah no weed in storage right now.

I'm scared of harvesting too early since I read a lot here that a lot of people harvest too early. I don't want to loose potency and yield. But more important is the potency...
 
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This is a picture of a bud of the hermie plant. They are not really developed I think. And I don't know how potent they already are.

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rkymtnman said:
harvest when ever they are ready. don't make a hermie problem into an early harvest problem too.

my high school and college years were spent plucking seeds out of mexican brick schwag
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Haha ok so you also think it's better to ride it out than to harvest early like some others here?

You can take a look at the picture of the bud it's really not ripe right now...
 
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This is a picture of a bud of the hermie plant. They are not really developed I think. And I don't know how potent they already are.

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And I know the leaves look terrible... As I said I think I light burned/stressed the shit out of them and that's why their leaves look like shit... And dried but still hard to pluck. Not like leaves dieing from not enough nutrients which pluck easy or even by themselfs... EC constantly rising plant isn't eating right now for a long time which is I think due to the light burn/stress... but I don't know I don't have experience with these LEDs
 
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rkymtnman said:
probably 3 more weeks or so. those burnt leaves aren't an led problem though.
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Ok week 6 started now so yeah maybe by end of week 8 they may be ready?

Hmm what do you think is the problem? I have very high VPD... above 2 easy... Leave surface temp is too high and room RH is too low...

room temp 80f 27C
leaf temp 86f 30C
RH 40-55%

That makes VPD very high... 2.5 kPa VPD... Which is waaay too high...
 
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hmm ok... but I can't find the reason they are not eating... The only thing in my mind is the light was to powerfull or the VPD way to high... nothing else changed... mid flower they stopped eating... before it was all good had to feed everytime. Now only water no nutes... The only thing that has changed was me increasing the light strength on the dimmer from 80% to 100%.... In the same time the VPD skyrocketed... and soon they stopped eating and now they haven't eaten for a while... I only add water for a long time...
 
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Looking at my notes it's even worse... about 1 month ago they stopped eating... I've always thought they will be eating again soon but it did't happen. Sometimes the EC dropped slightly but most of the time since then the EC is raising and I only add water... So they have this problem a long time... and I don't know how to revive them other than dimming down the light and let them recover... I think they could have been way bigger already if they would have eaten the whole time...

Also she dropped a lot of fan leaves from the bottom maybe because she wasn't eating and she cannibalized herself... Good that there were enough fan leaves LOL
 
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rkymtnman said:
probably 3 more weeks or so. those burnt leaves aren't an led problem though.
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Yeah right burnt leaves were due to high EC but what about the dead crispy fan leaves? I really don't know what the problem is but I had a lot of problems with this run and often the light was to powerfull. I've dimmed it down in veg because they looked awful and they recovered after that... Now I hope after dimming down again they will recover too...
 
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I find it very hard to believe that the leaf surface temp is 6° higher than ambient with LEDs. The reason people run led grows at 82-85 degrees is led lights don't have enough IR to raise leaf temps the same as CMH and HID lights do. I'm betting your temp gun is off by a good bit. You need to get at least a lux meter to properly dial in your lights. Anything over 1,000 ppfd without added CO2 is probably going to light stress the plant.
As many have said, seeded bud is fine. I grew up smoking it for 20 years before I ever started seeing Sinsimelia. It's just a good excuse to buy a new Frisbee. They work great for deseeding bud as do double album covers if you find one these days.
 
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Ok week 6 started now so yeah maybe by end of week 8 they may be ready?

Hmm what do you think is the problem? I have very high VPD... above 2 easy... Leave surface temp is too high and room RH is too low...

room temp 80f 27C
leaf temp 86f 30C
RH 40-55%

That makes VPD very high... 2.5 kPa VPD... Which is waaay too high...
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How are you measuring leaf temp? It should be less than the room temp with LEDs unless your lights are in the canopy. In which case your vpd is fine, just sounds like the lights need to be further away
 
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FirstCavApache64 said:
I find it very hard to believe that the leaf surface temp is 6° higher than ambient with LEDs. The reason people run led grows at 82-85 degrees is led lights don't have enough IR to raise leaf temps the same as CMH and HID lights do. I'm betting your temp gun is off by a good bit. You need to get at least a lux meter to properly dial in your lights. Anything over 1,000 ppfd without added CO2 is probably going to light stress the plant.
As many have said, seeded bud is fine. I grew up smoking it for 20 years before I ever started seeing Sinsimelia. It's just a good excuse to buy a new Frisbee. They work great for deseeding bud as do double album covers if you find one these days.
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You may be right the battery of the thermometer is almost dead... maybe the thermometer is faulty...

Ok so over 1000 ppfd without added co2 is too much so yeah I think I have stressed them to much with 100% light at about 1500-1900 ppfd... And thats why the stopped eating and they look like shit now 4 weeks later...

I have a lux meter which reads about 60.000 lux with my led... I was reading that up to 75.000 lux is ok so I thought I can run the light at 100%....

You think I fried the shit out of them with the 100% setting?

I've already dimmed them down yesterday... Do you think they will recover and start eating again?
 
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bubblescrogs said:
How are you measuring leaf temp? It should be less than the room temp with LEDs unless your lights are in the canopy. In which case your vpd is fine, just sounds like the lights need to be further away
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I measure leaf temp with a infrared thermometer... But the battery is almost zero sometimes it doesn't even react turning it on or the light of the display is very dim... So yeah I think I've fucked up on the battery side...

So you also think I fried my plants with too much light? I've dimmed them already hopefully they will recover and eat again soon...
 
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bubblescrogs said:
How are you measuring leaf temp? It should be less than the room temp with LEDs unless your lights are in the canopy. In which case your vpd is fine, just sounds like the lights need to be further away
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FirstCavApache64 said:
I find it very hard to believe that the leaf surface temp is 6° higher than ambient with LEDs. The reason people run led grows at 82-85 degrees is led lights don't have enough IR to raise leaf temps the same as CMH and HID lights do. I'm betting your temp gun is off by a good bit. You need to get at least a lux meter to properly dial in your lights. Anything over 1,000 ppfd without added CO2 is probably going to light stress the plant.
As many have said, seeded bud is fine. I grew up smoking it for 20 years before I ever started seeing Sinsimelia. It's just a good excuse to buy a new Frisbee. They work great for deseeding bud as do double album covers if you find one these days.
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I've tested the temp gun right now and the temp it shows is the same as other thermometers. 3-4 different thermometers all show about the same value.

The leaves are dry as fuck maybe she can't evaporate because the leaves are so dry and that's why the leaves are so much hotte rthan the room temp?

Earlier in flower the leaf temp always was lower but now the leaf temp is higher... idk why
 
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I measure leaf temp with a infrared thermometer... But the battery is almost zero sometimes it doesn't even react turning it on or the light of the display is very dim... So yeah I think I've fucked up on the battery side...

So you also think I fried my plants with too much light? I've dimmed them already hopefully they will recover and eat again soon...
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Yep, replace your batteries and have a look but just assume 2-3f less than ambient for now. They’ve got a month to go yet at least, if you can keep them alive that long. The lux meter might also be talking smack, so I’d cross reference with the manufacturer guidelines on hanging height to see if the readings make sense. What lights are they?
 
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In my vegging tent the thermometer read same leaf temp as room temp... so yeah I think the thermometer is working fine... maybe the leafs are so hot because they dont transpire anymore because the leafs are very dry and crisp... what do you think?
 
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