JustCoasting
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God man, I like your avatar and for some strange reason, I'm starting to like stripes.
Lol I strongly disagree. I use FF and molasses and they work well together. It alone does not contain all the nutrients a plant will need. Also although molasses is great for added flowering nutrients, it probably attracts more pests/insect's than anything else you could use. It's just basically Iron and sugars, and sugar attracts thrip's and fruit-flys. You seem to be saying information that in my research and knowledge from the many great growers here that is not true... So who's the dummy? ...Really?o yea dummies... if your buying nutes from a hydroponic store (like AN, FF etc.) then you are buying overpriced molassas with a few add ons here and there. molassas can also defend agains certain inscts too... you guys need to read! dummies....
Notice how it says SOIL SWEETENERS.....Not Foilage Spray....Learn to read before acting like a jackass on here. You clearly didnt no what you were doing. You saw a friend do it once and because of that you think it works. If your friend really did this why not just ask him whats going on with your plants?? You had no clue what you were doing when you sprayed them, You fucked them up and came on here asking what to do. Then when you didnt like the response, you become a punk ass. You are nothing but a troll dude. You will soon notice that acting like that wont do anything but make others ignore you, purposely give you wrong advice, and hijack your threads. Quit being a punk......you dont know what you are or were doing, you want help, be polite, wanna be a dick, prepare to be fucked with.this is all that should have been done, DIALOG about the subject, not how dumb i was etc... nuff said...
This was posted by 3LBs at OG and is one of the best written pieces on the use of molasses and makes for great reading.
3LBs Molasses Manual - a growers guide to soil sweeteners
This is the second in our series of threads on organic gardening techniques and tools started with the Guano Guide / Manure Manual. That particular guide was designed to be a fairly comprehensive look at the uses of poop in gardening. While we tried to keep that topic (and our puns) tasteful - theres no avoiding the fact its not exactly an appetizing subject (unless you happen to be a plant!)
Like manure, this subject is another one of those magical organic goodies that contributes to plant health in more than one way. Its also like manure in that its a waste or by-product, but when we think about it, this topic really is the other end of the stick!
Now its time to move on to a much much sweeter topic . . .
Molasses . . .
like the boys on South Park are sometimes known for saying - Thats what I call a sticky situation! . . .
Sweet Organic Goodness - Magical Molasses
There are a number of different nutrient and fertilizer companies selling a variety of additives billed as carbohydrate booster products for plants. Usually retailing for tens of dollars per gallon if not tens of dollars per liter, these products usually claim to work as a carbohydrate source for plants. A variety of benefits are supposed to be unlocked by the use of these products, including the relief of plant stresses and increases in the rate of nutrient uptake. On the surface it sounds real good, and while these kinds of products almost always base their claims in enough science to sound good, reality doesnt always live up to the hype.
The 3LB are pretty well known for our distrust of nutrient companies like Advanced Nutrients who produce large lines of products (usually with large accompanying price tags) claiming to be a series of magic bullets - unlocking the keys to growing success for new and experienced growers alike. One member of the three_little_birds growers and breeders collective decided to sample one of these products a while back, intending to give the product a fair trial and then report on the results to the community at Cannabis World.
Imagine, if you will, Tweetie bird flying off to the local hydroponics store, purchasing a bottle of the wonder product - Super Plant Carb! (not its real name) - and then dragging it back to the birds nest. With a sense of expectation our lil bird opens the lid, hoping to take a peek and a whiff of this new (and expensive) goodie for our wonderful plants. She is greeted with a familiar sweet smell that it takes a moment to place. Then the realization hits her. . .
Molasses! The Super Plant Carb! smells just like Blackstrap Molasses. At the thought that shes just paid something like $15 for a liter of molasses, our Tweetie bird scowls. Surely she tells herself there must be more to this product than just molasses. So she dips a wing into the sweet juice ever so slightly, and brings it up to have a taste.
Much the same way a sneaky Sylvester cat is exposed by a little yellow bird saying - I thought I saw a puddy tat . . . I did I did see a puddy tat . . . and hes standing right there! - our Tweetie bird had discovered the essence of this product. It was indeed nothing more than Blackstrap Molasses, a quick taste had conformed for our Tweetie bird that she had wasted her time and effort lugging home a very expensive bottle of plant food additive. Molasses is something we already use for gardening at the Birds Nest. In fact sweeteners like molasses have long been a part of the arsenal of common products used by organic gardeners to bring greater health to their soils and plants.
So please listen to the little yellow bird when she chirps, because our Tweetie bird knows her stuff. The fertilizer companies are like the bumbling Sylvester in many ways, but rather than picturing themselves stuffed with a little bird, they see themselves growing fat with huge profits from the wallets of unsuspecting consumers. Let us assure you its not the vision of yellow feathers floating in front of their stuffed mouths that led these executives in their attempt to pounce on the plant growing public.
And the repackaging of molasses as plant food or plant additive is not just limited to the companies selling their products in hydroponic stores. Folks shopping at places like Wal-Mart are just as likely to be taken in by this tactic. In this particular case the offending party is Schultz® Garden Safe All Purpose Liquid Plant Food 3-1-5. This is a relatively inexpensive product that seems appealing to a variety of organic gardeners. Heres Shultz own description of their product.
Garden Safe Liquid Plant Foods are made from plants in a patented technology that provides plants with essential nutrients for beautiful flowers and foliage and no offensive smell. Plus they improve soils by enhancing natural microbial activity. Great for all vegetables, herbs, flowers, trees, shrubs and houseplants including roses, tomatoes, fruits, and lawns. Derived from completely natural ingredients, Garden Safe All Purpose Liquid Plant Food feeds plants and invigorates soil microbial activity. Made from sugar beet roots! No offensive manure or fish odors.
That sure sounds good, and the three_little_birds will even go as far as to say we agree 100% with all the claims made in that little blurb of ad copy. But heres the problem, Shultz isnt exactly telling the public that the bottle of fertilizer they are buying is nothing more than a waste product derived from the production of sugar. In fact, Schultz® Garden Safe 3-1-5 Liquid Plant Food is really and truly nothing more than a form molasses derived from sugar beet processing that is usually used as an animal feed sweetener. If you dont believe a band of birds, go ahead and look for yourself at the fine print on a Garden Safe bottle where it says - Contains 3.0% Water Soluble Nitrogen, 1.0% Available Phosphate, 5.0% Soluble Potash - derived from molasses.
The only problem we see, is that animal feed additives shouldnt be retailing for $7.95 a quart, and thats the price Shultz is charging for its Garden Safe product. While we dont find that quite as offensive as Advanced Nutrients selling their CarboLoad product for $14.00 a liter, we still know that its terribly overpriced for sugar processing wastes. So, just as our band of birds gave the scoop on poop in our Guano Guide, were now about to give folks the sweet truth about molasses.
Tell me about it...Hahahaha....I'm a dummy