I have a question for all you veteran growers out there!

Brick Top

New Member
You can't disprove anything? Do you know what the meaning of proof is?
It's a mathematical term, as logic, at the college level and above, is no longer contained in philosophy, but in mathematics.
In order to prove a proposition, it is necessary to use a method of proof. The three most common methods are contradiction, direct, and contra-positive.
We're gonna focus on contradiction specifically.
Given the proposition, one can use the contradiction to DISPROVE the opposite of the proposition, which PROVES the original proposition.
Disproving is actually much easier than proving, because there is so much bullshit out there that's easy to point out.
Example:
Prove 2+2=4
Suppose 2+2 != 4 (!= means does not)
By the law of addition we know that 2+2=4, which means:
4 != 4
This is not true, obviously, so we have reached a contradiction. Which means:
2+2=4
QED.


If something cannot be disproved why is the term used in science? This is from a USC website.


Towards the Future: Quantum Gravity
Einstein's theory of gravity has never been disproved until now (2004). Soon after it's completion, the theory of quantum mechanics was developed, a description of the world in very small scales. However general relativity seems to be incompatible with quantum mechanics and breaks down (theoretically). In most of the cases gravity is so weak that in so small scales it is ignored. However in the interior of a black hole, the huge amount of mass is not negligible. Also, this is the case at the early stages of the universe: ultra-condensed matter, lots of mass suppressed into quantum distances. At these cases a quantum treatment of gravity will be needed, although there is no way right now to test how exactly general relativity must be modified.
The other 3 forces of nature have been modified and work well under the quantum regime, and only gravity escapes for the moment. The complete theory of gravity will include eventually somehow the quantum principles; this theory of quantum gravity is the greatest challenge of our understanding of the world today.
http://www-scf.usc.edu/~kallos/gravity.htm

Maybe you would say that what was done was not that something was disproved but instead proved to be wrong ... but that is just a matter of semantics, isn't it?
 

mccumcumber

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Sorry that I made it unclear, but I was agreeing with you Brick top. I was saying that you can't disprove anything is a ridiculous statement.
 

Brick Top

New Member
Sorry that I made it unclear, but I was agreeing with you Brick top. I was saying that you can't disprove anything is a ridiculous statement.
I apologize, it was my error for not being capable of understanding you. DAMN MARIJUANA! It make clear thinking difficult at times. The stuff should be outlawed.
 

OhioMediGrower

Active Member
Hello everyone great thread for information, But the whole concept here is shock ripening right? then you all have pointed out one part of shock ripening (total darkness b4 harvest), now there is also another of getting more resin out of your plants. The method entails, replicating what mother nature does every fall and into winter. Which is the nights keep getting cooler and the hours of daylight decreases. These colder night and day temps trigger the plants to develop a coat of resin armor, to help protect the plant from the cold! So combine the three, cooler nights, decreasing daylight hours, and total darkness for the last 2-5 days, and you'll have some superbly encrusted flowers.:leaf:

This is just my take on all this, not trying at all to stir anything up, just looking to maybe spark some light bulbs lol grusfraba to all bongsmilie

Watch This In HD, roll on up or pack your bowl and enjoy some pretty organic flowers!
[video=youtube;KhjbcOvnkhY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhjbcOvnkhY[/video]
 

DrFever

New Member
Hello everyone great thread for information, But the whole concept here is shock ripening right? then you all have pointed out one part of shock ripening (total darkness b4 harvest), now there is also another of getting more resin out of your plants. The method entails, replicating what mother nature does every fall and into winter. Which is the nights keep getting cooler and the hours of daylight decreases. These colder night and day temps trigger the plants to develop a coat of resin armor, to help protect the plant from the cold! So combine the three, cooler nights, decreasing daylight hours, and total darkness for the last 2-5 days, and you'll have some superbly encrusted flowers.:leaf:

This is just my take on all this, not trying at all to stir anything up, just looking to maybe spark some light bulbs lol grusfraba to all bongsmilie

Watch This In HD, roll on up or pack your bowl and enjoy some pretty organic flowers!
[video=youtube;KhjbcOvnkhY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhjbcOvnkhY[/video]
exactly what i do as heading towards flowering stage i lower my temps to trigger
58 - 60 degrees this giving me flowers in less then a week as we all try to replicate mother nature it also makes common sense as you head further into fall you lose 1 min per day of sunlight so what i came up with is running 12 /12 up to 4th week and from there i slowly lower my light cycle and by the end week 7 - 8 i am running 11 hrs light 13 off this is pretty straight foward stuff IMO in reality how much light can a plant really up take before it becomes wasted power
in a day
 

OhioMediGrower

Active Member
exactly what i do as heading towards flowering stage i lower my temps to trigger
58 - 60 degrees this giving me flowers in less then a week as we all try to replicate mother nature it also makes common sense as you head further into fall you lose 1 min per day of sunlight so what i came up with is running 12 /12 up to 4th week and from there i slowly lower my light cycle and by the end week 7 - 8 i am running 11 hrs light 13 off this is pretty straight foward stuff IMO in reality how much light can a plant really up take before it becomes wasted power
in a day
now thats the method! growing MJ is fairly simple just follow what mother nature does.

great post man you described my method too a tee, great in depth!

+rep for sure!
 

intensive

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i just tried 48 hours of darkness for the first time. i had just harvested acapulco gold,then took two other plants and put them in the dark after they had 12 weeks too. the trichs came out milkier looking all over and it once it was dry enough to smoke the plants in the dark were already as potent if not better, then the buds chopped first and already had two weeks to cure.


ill do it again, seemed to help, just make sure they still have airflow
 

OhioMediGrower

Active Member
i just tried 48 hours of darkness for the first time. i had just harvested acapulco gold,then took two other plants and put them in the dark after they had 12 weeks too. the trichs came out milkier looking all over and it once it was dry enough to smoke the plants in the dark were already as potent if not better, then the buds chopped first and already had two weeks to cure.


ill do it again, seemed to help, just make sure they still have airflow
killer strain! was it from barneys? you got some pics?
 

Brick Top

New Member
i just tried 48 hours of darkness for the first time. i had just harvested acapulco gold,then took two other plants and put them in the dark after they had 12 weeks too. the trichs came out milkier looking all over and it once it was dry enough to smoke the plants in the dark were already as potent if not better, then the buds chopped first and already had two weeks to cure.


ill do it again, seemed to help, just make sure they still have airflow
Next time give them the full 72-hours that the research study found works best and you will see even better results.
 

bulla

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Where do I live in Colorado... no

Do you know where I live ...No

Do you know where my Medical grow is located? No

Heres my trichomes .......alls your doing is flaping off at the mouth and trying to cause problems with no knowledge ....



And droll is French for funny.... you ignorant fuck




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fuck spelling guy that mofo can grow look at his pics lol i been looking at pics on hear for awhile and think fuck these guys go small and i know most have to go small but finaly i see someone that grows like i do NICE PICS. oh and i have not tryed the dark thing so no disrespect to either poster but i do think maybe 3 days of dark may work ill try my own test
 

bulla

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"The Stichting Institute of Medical marijuana (SIMM), the first company to sell marijuana through the pharmacies of Holland, has been investigating the medical possibilities of cannabis, together with TNO laboratories and the University of Leiden.

One of their discoveries has been that to keep the ripe plants in the dark before harvesting could increase their potency.SIMM’s growers separated a crop of mature plants, harvested half of them and kept the other half in absolute darkness for 72 hours before cutting and drying. Analysis of the resulting dried buds showed that some varieties had seen an increase of THC of up to 30%, while CBD and CBN remained the same."
that post is enough to make me do my own test
 

Brick Top

New Member
exactly what i do as heading towards flowering stage i lower my temps to trigger
58 - 60 degrees ....... we all try to replicate mother nature it also makes common sense as you head further into fall you lose 1 min per day of sunlight
Do you attempt to replicate the temperature and hours of daylight/darkness in the area you live or the area a stain would be from or the area where the majority of the genetics in a strain would be from?

For a general example, take a strain that is equatorial , or predominantly equatorial genetics, wouldn't it's natural environment be rather different that that of the climate and number of hours of daylight and darkness in Ohio or Michigan.

So from what part of the world do you attempt to replicate Mother Nature's conditions and is it strain/genetics based or based on the climate of your area regardless of strain genetics?

What you are saying is something I always said made sense but if you were growing a strain that in nature would be grow around roughly 4 degree North latitude would you attempt to replicate those conditions or replicate Mother Natures conditions at 39 degrees or 42 degrees North latitude because that is where the grower lived?
 

DrFever

New Member
what i did is got a strain rather then just grow it like most would i studied the gelogical area HIND Kush mountains and decided to ty to replicate it as best i could

Taking the highlands of the country as a whole, there is no great difference between the mean temperature of Afghanistan and that of the lower Himalaya. Each may be placed at a point between . However, the remarkable feature of Afghan climate is its extreme range of temperature within limited periods. The smallest daily range in the north is when the weather is cold; the greatest is when it is hot. For seven months of the year (from May to November) this range exceeds 17 K (30.6 °R) daily. Waves of intense cold occur, lasting for several days, and one may have to endure a cold of −24 °C (−11.2 °F), rising to a maximum of −8 °C (17.6 °F). On the other hand, the summer temperature is exceedingly high, especially in the Oxus regions, where a shade maximum of 45–50 °C (113–122 °F) is not uncommon. At Kabul, and over all the northern part of the country to the descent at Gandamak, winter is rigorous, but especially so on the high Arachosian plateau. In Kabul the snow lies for two or three months; the people seldom leave their houses, and sleep close to stoves. At Ghazni the snow has been known to lie long beyond the vernal equinox; the thermometer sinks as low as −25 °C (−13 °F), and tradition relates the destruction of the entire population of Ghazni by snowstorms more than once.

Topography


The summer heat is great in the Sistan Basin, Jalalabad and Turkestan, especially Sistan. All over Kandahar province the summer heat is intense, and the simoom is not unknown. The hot season throughout this part of the country is rendered more trying by frequent dust storms and fiery winds; whilst the bare rocky ridges that traverse the country, absorbing heat by day and radiating it by night, render th
Taking the highlands of the country as a whole, there is no great difference between the mean temperature of Afghanistan and that of the lower Himalaya. Each may be placed at a point between . However, the remarkable feature of Afghan climate is its extreme range of temperature within limited periods. The smallest daily range in the north is when the weather is cold; the greatest is when it is hot. For seven months of the year (from May to November) this range exceeds 17 K (30.6 °R) daily. Waves of intense cold occur, lasting for several days, and one may have to endure a cold of −24 °C (−11.2 °F), rising to a maximum of −8 °C (17.6 °F). On the other hand, the summer temperature is exceedingly high, especially in the Oxus regions, where a shade maximum of 45–50 °C (113–122 °F) is not uncommon. At Kabul, and over all the northern part of the country to the descent at Gandamak, winter is rigorous, but especially so on the high Arachosian plateau. In Kabul the snow lies for two or three months; the people seldom leave their houses, and sleep close to stoves. At Ghazni the snow has been known to lie long beyond the vernal equinox; the thermometer sinks as low as −25 °C (−13 °F), and tradition relates the destruction of the entire population of Ghazni by snowstorms more than once.

Topography


The summer heat is great in the Sistan Basin, Jalalabad and Turkestan, especially Sistan. All over Kandahar province the summer heat is intense, and the simoom is not unknown. The hot season throughout this part of the country is rendered more trying by frequent dust storms and fiery winds; whilst the bare rocky ridges that traverse the country, absorbing heat by day and radiating it by night, render the summer nights most oppressive. At Kabul the summer sun has great power, though the heat is tempered occasionally by cool breezes from the Hindu Kush, and the nights are usually cool. At Kandahar snow seldom falls on the plains or lower hills; when it does, it melts at once.
e summer nights most oppressive. At Kabul the summer sun has great power, though the heat is tempered occasionally by cool breezes from the Hindu Kush, and the nights are usually cool. At Kandahar snow seldom falls on the plains or lower hills; when it does, it melts at once.
 

hoagtech

Well-Known Member
what i did is got a strain rather then just grow it like most would i studied the gelogical area HIND Kush mountains and decided to ty to replicate it as best i could

Taking the highlands of the country as a whole, there is no great difference between the mean temperature of Afghanistan and that of the lower Himalaya. Each may be placed at a point between . However, the remarkable feature of Afghan climate is its extreme range of temperature within limited periods. The smallest daily range in the north is when the weather is cold; the greatest is when it is hot. For seven months of the year (from May to November) this range exceeds 17 K (30.6 °R) daily. Waves of intense cold occur, lasting for several days, and one may have to endure a cold of −24 °C (−11.2 °F), rising to a maximum of −8 °C (17.6 °F). On the other hand, the summer temperature is exceedingly high, especially in the Oxus regions, where a shade maximum of 45–50 °C (113–122 °F) is not uncommon. At Kabul, and over all the northern part of the country to the descent at Gandamak, winter is rigorous, but especially so on the high Arachosian plateau. In Kabul the snow lies for two or three months; the people seldom leave their houses, and sleep close to stoves. At Ghazni the snow has been known to lie long beyond the vernal equinox; the thermometer sinks as low as −25 °C (−13 °F), and tradition relates the destruction of the entire population of Ghazni by snowstorms more than once.

Topography


The summer heat is great in the Sistan Basin, Jalalabad and Turkestan, especially Sistan. All over Kandahar province the summer heat is intense, and the simoom is not unknown. The hot season throughout this part of the country is rendered more trying by frequent dust storms and fiery winds; whilst the bare rocky ridges that traverse the country, absorbing heat by day and radiating it by night, render th
Taking the highlands of the country as a whole, there is no great difference between the mean temperature of Afghanistan and that of the lower Himalaya. Each may be placed at a point between . However, the remarkable feature of Afghan climate is its extreme range of temperature within limited periods. The smallest daily range in the north is when the weather is cold; the greatest is when it is hot. For seven months of the year (from May to November) this range exceeds 17 K (30.6 °R) daily. Waves of intense cold occur, lasting for several days, and one may have to endure a cold of −24 °C (−11.2 °F), rising to a maximum of −8 °C (17.6 °F). On the other hand, the summer temperature is exceedingly high, especially in the Oxus regions, where a shade maximum of 45–50 °C (113–122 °F) is not uncommon. At Kabul, and over all the northern part of the country to the descent at Gandamak, winter is rigorous, but especially so on the high Arachosian plateau. In Kabul the snow lies for two or three months; the people seldom leave their houses, and sleep close to stoves. At Ghazni the snow has been known to lie long beyond the vernal equinox; the thermometer sinks as low as −25 °C (−13 °F), and tradition relates the destruction of the entire population of Ghazni by snowstorms more than once.

Topography


The summer heat is great in the Sistan Basin, Jalalabad and Turkestan, especially Sistan. All over Kandahar province the summer heat is intense, and the simoom is not unknown. The hot season throughout this part of the country is rendered more trying by frequent dust storms and fiery winds; whilst the bare rocky ridges that traverse the country, absorbing heat by day and radiating it by night, render the summer nights most oppressive. At Kabul the summer sun has great power, though the heat is tempered occasionally by cool breezes from the Hindu Kush, and the nights are usually cool. At Kandahar snow seldom falls on the plains or lower hills; when it does, it melts at once.
e summer nights most oppressive. At Kabul the summer sun has great power, though the heat is tempered occasionally by cool breezes from the Hindu Kush, and the nights are usually cool. At Kandahar snow seldom falls on the plains or lower hills; when it does, it melts at once.
I love doing that. Finding an areas export and dialing in the conditions.
This is how im gonna get my pineapple plants going.

You just replicate the humidity, temperature, and weather variances, and adjust a little for atmospheric pressure and elevation and your good.

I wonder what grows in zimbabwe and madagascar? cool stuff

As far as the topic is concerned. Using dark periods in a large grow could save you a lot of money in electricity. Calculate a few years worth of grows and your saving thousands. Its very appealing
 

Brick Top

New Member
what i did is got a strain rather then just grow it like most would i studied the gelogical area HIND Kush mountains and decided to ty to replicate it as best i could

So if it were a Thai strain you would best attempt to replicate the climatic conditions and lengths of day of Thailand and the same if it were from Panama.

That is how I always figured if someone were to try to mimic nature the thing to do would be try to come as close as possible to mimic the conditions the genetics came from, or where the predominant percentage of genetics came from.

The reason I asked is I have seen people attempt to mimic nature, temperatures and the length of day, but they would be mimicking their own conditions, their own area, like they were growing outdoors where they live, and it always made more sense to me if someone were to attempt to replicate conditions it should be what would be more natural for a strain.

But then I always wondered if any mimicking really made much if any difference because so many times I have read where a breeder would get some strain from some part of the world and the first thing they would do is acclimatize it making it used to their area or even indoor growing and I wondered if once that was done any mimicking of conditions of where the strain had originally come from would help or not or make things better or not.
 

DrFever

New Member
yup thats what i do i have dropped temps almost freezing and excessive fans blowing hard i run temps sometimes as hot as 90 degrees and fluctuate i dont care what people say about stressing once you start to learn where your plant comes, from humidity levels weather fluctuations and what ever its no different then you and I your from the great white north and all of a sudden you moved to a humid dry and hot place my friend it would be aweful
no different to a plant i am talking a pure genetic plant with all the crosssing thats out there now it can be difficult and you try to stay inbetween all there paramaters thats why the norm now is to keep plants in the 72 to 80 degree temps 40 percent humidity and no less then 60 degrees lights off to all thats a safe area to stay in
i hope you agree on me with this as when your crossing sativa with indica dominent plant what might be good for the sativa may harm the indica side of the strain and vice versa
it all comes down to how breeders have really messed up in reality
 

dajosh42069

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I apologize, it was my error for not being capable of understanding you. DAMN MARIJUANA! It make clear thinking difficult at times. The stuff should be outlawed.
Since everyone seems to think they're the next fucking mr wizard....

Brick, can you PROVE to me, that you can't fly?
You CAN prove that you CAN fly, but you can NEVER prove to me that you CANNOT.

I mean, you can jump off a cliff and NOT take to the air, but I could argue that you died to protect your secret.
There is no way to prove what things AREN'T, you can prove what they are.
(And before anyone tried to tear that apart, i know he can't fucking fly, it's an example)


So I guess what I SHOULD HAVE SAID, was that you can not prove a negative...
Feel free to argue if you desire, but I don't think i'll be arguing back...since it's really not worth my time.
 

DrFever

New Member
Since everyone seems to think they're the next fucking mr wizard....

Brick, can you PROVE to me, that you can't fly?
You CAN prove that you CAN fly, but you can NEVER prove to me that you CANNOT.

I mean, you can jump off a cliff and NOT take to the air, but I could argue that you died to protect your secret.
There is no way to prove what things AREN'T, you can prove what they are.
(And before anyone tried to tear that apart, i know he can't fucking fly, it's an example)


So I guess what I SHOULD HAVE SAID, was that you can not prove a negative...
Feel free to argue if you desire, but I don't think i'll be arguing back...since it's really not worth my time.
dude your a idiot Brick top is probably if not one of the most knowledgeable people on this site and your talkin smck to him guys like you make this site what it is today what he suggested 72 hrs off lights and you think its false just keep growin with your CFL's and STFU and smoking your popcorn nuggets


well i can i trim 2 plants and get a pound + so does lights off really work
 
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