I ordered from them recently, the black widow, the process of ordering , mailing in and receiving the seeds went good, honestly the seeds have a date on the 5 of them I ordered , the date is feb 2007,no breeders pack,plain dime sized zip biggie, I hope they are still viable, also for 89 dollars I would have liked a few freebies, maybe 2 or 3 seeds or a sticker or something ya know. Well we will see I really wanted some black widow and didnt want to send $ to europe again, always takes 6 weeks or I get ripped off. I have been buying from seeds here now with great success but they had no ww or bw and I wanted some in my stable.