I need help - What's the issue?

Logan Burke

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If Potassium is the issue, and particularly in flowering phase, add something like Armor Si, or you could also add a complete base nutrient like Floranova Bloom. I am seeing yellowing between the veins like bars, particularly in that first picture, but I can also see how it also looks similar to a K deficiency in the next few pics. You can provide your opinion without being insultive and, generally, people are much more receptive to it when you're not. I'm not sure I've ever met anyone who enjoys speaking with an asshole, even if the advice they're providing is good.

As for the OP, if you're still on the fence on what this could be, you have a couple of options. You can foliar feed epsoms in flower, however it is at an increased likelihood of mold related problems occuring. If you've lots of good air flow, this likely won't be an issue for you. It's really not that hard to avoid contact with buds when spraying your foliar feed. I don't foliar feed often at all, but I have foliar fed epsoms during the bloom phase with absolutely no problems AT ALL (and subsequently smoked the bud, no problems). If you were going to foliar feed a CalMag product, I would caution against that. If this makes absolutely no difference, or if it even makes the problem worse, you can discontinue foliar feeding and walk away relatively sure that it's not Mg deficiency. You could also water the plants with epsom salts if your humidity and air circulation makes foliar feeding not such a good option. Your other option would be to supplement your plant with potassium if you find that the epsom salts don't help, or if you simply suspect it more likely to be a K def than a Mg def. As I mentioned earlier, Armor Si is a good K containing supplement that also happens to be of great benefit in flower. You could also add a little bit of FloraBloom out of the FloraTrio line up, as it contains little to no N. Something like Floranova Bloom (1 part base nutrient) would certainly work, but it does have a little bit of N in it.
Good luck, and please keep us informed as to what brings your plant back to normal for the sake of future readers, and so that if it doesn't help, we can try and figure it out. :)
 

Timtam420

Member
If Potassium is the issue, and particularly in flowering phase, add something like Armor Si, or you could also add a complete base nutrient like Floranova Bloom. I am seeing yellowing between the veins like bars, particularly in that first picture, but I can also see how it also looks similar to a K deficiency in the next few pics. You can provide your opinion without being insultive and, generally, people are much more receptive to it when you're not. I'm not sure I've ever met anyone who enjoys speaking with an asshole, even if the advice they're providing is good.

As for the OP, if you're still on the fence on what this could be, you have a couple of options. You can foliar feed epsoms in flower, however it is at an increased likelihood of mold related problems occuring. If you've lots of good air flow, this likely won't be an issue for you. It's really not that hard to avoid contact with buds when spraying your foliar feed. I don't foliar feed often at all, but I have foliar fed epsoms during the bloom phase with absolutely no problems AT ALL (and subsequently smoked the bud, no problems). If you were going to foliar feed a CalMag product, I would caution against that. If this makes absolutely no difference, or if it even makes the problem worse, you can discontinue foliar feeding and walk away relatively sure that it's not Mg deficiency. You could also water the plants with epsom salts if your humidity and air circulation makes foliar feeding not such a good option. Your other option would be to supplement your plant with potassium if you find that the epsom salts don't help, or if you simply suspect it more likely to be a K def than a Mg def. As I mentioned earlier, Armor Si is a good K containing supplement that also happens to be of great benefit in flower. You could also add a little bit of FloraBloom out of the FloraTrio line up, as it contains little to no N. Something like Floranova Bloom (1 part base nutrient) would certainly work, but it does have a little bit of N in it.
Good luck, and please keep us informed as to what brings your plant back to normal for the sake of future readers, and so that if it doesn't help, we can try and figure it out. :)
Thank you, will post results.
 

Purpsmagurps

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"You can provide your opinion without being insultive and, generally, people are much more receptive to it when you're not. I'm not sure I've ever met anyone who enjoys speaking with an asshole, even if the advice they're providing is good."

you should see how my inbox now has people asking questions because they liked my response. :bigjoint: and its not IF its a K deficiency, it IS a k deficiency. clear as day. don't confuse the lad. the only question is is his soil PH off and causing it or not. one quick simple thing is to throw a sweetener in with the rest of your run like terpinator or something because you can't OD your plants with it.
staying ORGANIC why would you throw floranova in FFOF? he is already choking on nitrogen, lets just, ya know. OD HIS PLANTS WITH MORE N LOGAN?
in my opinion LOGAN being a dick is the only way to get my point across to people who NORMALLY just ask questions on weed forums to argue with the answer given. but to each their own right?
 

Purpsmagurps

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basically if you follow his advice the organics in your soil will have a hard time with the synthetics in floranova since its a hydroponic nutrient.

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if you didnt have any ph problems before you would surely get them soon!
ya lets offer a guy growing in fox farms general hydroponics products. RETARDED.
 
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Purpsmagurps

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the MG deficiency is completely over. I will repeat again. I have it on some of my plants i currently run right now since i didnt bump up ppms fast enough. it browns out in late stages, if only part of the leaf browns, its over, it would lose the whole thing if it was still going.
 

Timtam420

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Capn-Crunch

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you are retarded. you dont foliar in flower. and any more nitrogen and these things will taste like shit in the finished product! and before you say MG isnt nitrogen you know what i mean.
I feel so bad that you're so off base with your advise, and that you actually believe it to be true.
 

Purpsmagurps

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I feel so bad that you're so off base with your advise, and that you actually believe it to be true.
LOL you dont know the difference between an OLD MG deficiency and a new K deficiency. you have been growing for how long? Welp. sorry to say NOT LONG ENOUGH CAPN :)
 

Logan Burke

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You're basically talking to yourself on this thread...most of us that are watching, are only watching to see what the OP replies back with and how his babies are progressing. Not to see multiple postings in a row of someone patting themselves on the back, or comparing sizes with previous posters. We're here to help the OP, we don't really care about your plants to be honest. That's what grow journals are for.
 

Capn-Crunch

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You're basically talking to yourself on this thread...most of us that are watching, are only watching to see what the OP replies back with and how his babies are progressing. Not to see multiple postings in a row of someone patting themselves on the back, or comparing sizes with previous posters. We're here to help the OP, we don't really care about your plants to be honest. That's what grow journals are for.
Purpsmagurps a legend...in his own mind, LMAO
 

Medicated Bonsai

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"You can provide your opinion without being insultive and, generally, people are much more receptive to it when you're not. I'm not sure I've ever met anyone who enjoys speaking with an asshole, even if the advice they're providing is good."

you should see how my inbox now has people asking questions because they liked my response. :bigjoint: and its not IF its a K deficiency, it IS a k deficiency. clear as day. don't confuse the lad. the only question is is his soil PH off and causing it or not. one quick simple thing is to throw a sweetener in with the rest of your run like terpinator or something because you can't OD your plants with it.
staying ORGANIC why would you throw floranova in FFOF? he is already choking on nitrogen, lets just, ya know. OD HIS PLANTS WITH MORE N LOGAN?
in my opinion LOGAN being a dick is the only way to get my point across to people who NORMALLY just ask questions on weed forums to argue with the answer given. but to each their own right?
If the OP is growing in quality soil, pH should not be an issue no? Good quality soil will buffer/balance pH for the most part...this is my understanding but I'm no botanist. I'm not the most experienced grower but pH has never seemed to be an issue for me (i've only grown in soil). Perhaps the problem isn't the pH but the health of the soil itself. Have you added anything that could kill the microbial life within your medium? This could cause lack of nutrient intake by your roots as beneficial bacteria aids in this process. As you continue to look for answers, you'll notice a variety of suggestions. My advice is, take these suggestions and do some research of your own. Do Not feed your ladies based on assumptions. Once you're sure of the problem, add the remedy/nutrient in small amounts. Observe her reactions and continue with the treatment appropriately.

Also, try paying more attention to soil biology than the plant itself. A healthy soil should result in a healthy plant.


Sorry if you were looking for a diagnosis. I feel like i'm far more inexperienced than other people that have replied on here. If I were to give my opinion, i'd say something looks to be in Excess. An excess of certain nutrients can restrict the intake of other nutrients. It gets confusing but this is all a learning process. Baby steps is the key, AKA don't poison your ladies. I hope everything works out man!
 

Purpsmagurps

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It's not amended with dolo lime is why he had an issue with the old MG Def. PH or content idk. It's only 5-10-2 guano so I'd say more k. Already thought of that.
If the OP is growing in quality soil, pH should not be an issue no? Good quality soil will buffer/balance pH for the most part...this is my understanding but I'm no botanist. I'm not the most experienced grower but pH has never seemed to be an issue for me (i've only grown in soil). Perhaps the problem isn't the pH but the health of the soil itself. Have you added anything that could kill the microbial life within your medium? This could cause lack of nutrient intake by your roots as beneficial bacteria aids in this process. As you continue to look for answers, you'll notice a variety of suggestions. My advice is, take these suggestions and do some research of your own. Do Not feed your ladies based on assumptions. Once you're sure of the problem, add the remedy/nutrient in small amounts. Observe her reactions and continue with the treatment appropriately.

Also, try paying more attention to soil biology than the plant itself. A healthy soil should result in a healthy plant.


Sorry if you were looking for a diagnosis. I feel like i'm far more inexperienced than other people that have replied on here. If I were to give my opinion, i'd say something looks to be in Excess. An excess of certain nutrients can restrict the intake of other nutrients. It gets confusing but this is all a learning process. Baby steps is the key, AKA don't poison your ladies. I hope everything works out man!
 

Logan Burke

Well-Known Member
If the OP is growing in quality soil, pH should not be an issue no? Good quality soil will buffer/balance pH for the most part...this is my understanding but I'm no botanist. I'm not the most experienced grower but pH has never seemed to be an issue for me (i've only grown in soil). Perhaps the problem isn't the pH but the health of the soil itself. Have you added anything that could kill the microbial life within your medium? This could cause lack of nutrient intake by your roots as beneficial bacteria aids in this process. As you continue to look for answers, you'll notice a variety of suggestions. My advice is, take these suggestions and do some research of your own. Do Not feed your ladies based on assumptions. Once you're sure of the problem, add the remedy/nutrient in small amounts. Observe her reactions and continue with the treatment appropriately.

Also, try paying more attention to soil biology than the plant itself. A healthy soil should result in a healthy plant.


Sorry if you were looking for a diagnosis. I feel like i'm far more inexperienced than other people that have replied on here. If I were to give my opinion, i'd say something looks to be in Excess. An excess of certain nutrients can restrict the intake of other nutrients. It gets confusing but this is all a learning process. Baby steps is the key, AKA don't poison your ladies. I hope everything works out man!
Best response and answer in this entire thread, appreciate ya stopping by Medicated Bonsai! Good point about the microbial life, growing in hydro I sometimes forget the importance of these microbes and their neccessity for soil growing, even if not neccessarily in a 100% organic grow system.
 

Timtam420

Member
It's not amended with dolo lime is why he had an issue with the old MG Def. PH or content idk. It's only 5-10-2 guano so I'd say more k. Already thought of that.
Update - I followed Purpsmagurps advice and it solved my issue. Ladies are looking healthy and producing fat flowers. Thanks for the help.
 

Bernie420

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