i want your opinions on something

Hollatchaboy · Jun 29, 2023

It's not a secret that hydro grows bigger plants, faster, with more yield.

In living soil, it works different because the plant itself has to do more work, using energy that could be used for growth. Bottled nutes, are readily available nutes, whereas with the soil, the soil biology has to break down organic matter, to create the nutes. It's a slower process.

If you want more of a hydro growth rate, with organics, get a sub irrigated planter.

beansin · Jun 30, 2023

Hollatchaboy said:
It's not a secret that hydro grows bigger plants, faster, with more yield.

In living soil, it works different because the plant itself has to do more work, using energy that could be used for growth. Bottled nutes, are readily available nutes, whereas with the soil, the soil biology has to break down organic matter, to create the nutes. It's a slower process.

If you want more of a hydro growth rate, with organics, get a sub irrigated planter.

i decided to remove most the soil from them plants and repotted in coca will just have to let them veg a extra week to recover .

soil was interesting and i will miss some aspects of it but i want my yield back haha personially i didint notice any difference in taste of the end product if anything i think the hydro tasted better nd stank more . probably due to maturing faster . maybe someday when i have room for a 4x4 bed or bigger i will have more luck with the yirlds on organic soil

the ones i have in flower now will finish with synthetics but stay in soil . they in a scrog already

WeedIsMySpinach · Jun 30, 2023

It’s a plant…… soil just takes prep work. Coco and hydro is easier to control than soil.
Question I do have for u and for everyone I suppose lol

Organic food is known to taste better, grow better, produce bigger yields and be better for you. So y should it be any different for weed? U smoke it, it goes in your body ffs lol

amneziaHaze · Jun 30, 2023

non organic nutes are great just be careful because organics you need bacteria to turn it in to food soo you use a lot but it breaks down over time. with non organic plant gets the food same day.

allsoo the question you want to ask yourself do you want to smell the weed or get fuckedup on the smoke.

Jjgrow420 · Jun 30, 2023

WeedIsMySpinach said:
It’s a plant…… soil just takes prep work. Coco and hydro is easier to control than soil.
Question I do have for u and for everyone I suppose lol

Organic food is known to taste better, grow better, produce bigger yields and be better for you. So y should it be any different for weed? U smoke it, it goes in your body ffs lol

You are a marketing teams wet dream

amneziaHaze · Jun 30, 2023

hydroponic totally sintetic is known to grow 3 times faster produce 2 times more flower and give higher thc% if you want to play that game XD

Hollatchaboy · Jun 30, 2023

WeedIsMySpinach said:
It’s a plant…… soil just takes prep work. Coco and hydro is easier to control than soil.
Question I do have for u and for everyone I suppose lol

Organic food is known to taste better, grow better, produce bigger yields and be better for you. So y should it be any different for weed? U smoke it, it goes in your body ffs lol

Organic food is known to taste better.... could be placebo effect.
Grow better....I dunno about better, but it is a more natural way of growing.
Produce bigger yield..... no way. Hydro produces more yield.
And be better for you.... there's organic inputs that are known to have high heavy metal content, so not necessarily better for you.

All the nutrients the plant intakes, whether bottled or bagged salts, or organic matter (i.e. dry amendments), are the same elementally.

WeedIsMySpinach · Jun 30, 2023

Both organic and conventional fruits and veggies contain trace amounts of heavy metals based on the soil they are grown in. But pollutants, on the other hand, are found primarily in inorganic foods.
I’m a farmer and I have been since I was a toddler, it’s in my family for over 3 generations and the business has adapted over the years.
I have grown carrots and other friuts and veggies in a comparison grow and trust me organic tastes 1000 times better. Plus if u read up properly u will see the difference in nutrients from organically grown to other methods.

It’s a forum everyone has their own opinion ahahahaha

Hollatchaboy · Jun 30, 2023

WeedIsMySpinach said:
Both organic and conventional fruits and veggies contain trace amounts of heavy metals based on the soil they are grown in. But pollutants, on the other hand, are found primarily in inorganic foods.
I’m a farmer and I have been since I was a toddler, it’s in my family for over 3 generations and the business has adapted over the years.
I have grown carrots and other friuts and veggies in a comparison grow and trust me organic tastes 1000 times better. Plus if u read up properly u will see the difference in nutrients from organically grown to other methods.

It’s a forum everyone has their own opinion ahahahaha

I grew no till for a couple years, so I know how the process works. Taste.... no difference.... smell.... no difference. Yield..... less than hydro. There was no real, discernable benefit, imo, growing organic.

green_machine_two9er · Jun 30, 2023

To me it’s a simple cents and dollars question.

I can grow bomb ass sticky icky for basically less than 10-20$ a plant organically. Not sure I could do that just buying the medium over and over again ever run, let alone nutrient cost.

And yields. I find with organics to get the yields you have to grow the plants differently. For example
In a 5x5 a lot of people like 4-5 plants. And veg for 6-8 weeks. Maybe get 1,5-2 lbs.

For organic runs I would put fucking 16 in 5 gallon pots and veg for 10 days in 5x5 Yields. 2lbs in less time, with less inputs and less lighting. Also the hardest thing about soil grows is the soil stalling out. Not putting a huge veg demand on the containers helps a lot.

This thread made me sad, cause beds should be for many years of growing. It’s sucks seeing them torn out cause it didn’t match up to coco growing.

Hollatchaboy · Jun 30, 2023

For me, the biggest issue growing organic, indoors.... there's lots of bugs. I don't care for them being inside, even though for the most part they stayed in tent, but still, I don't like bugs in the house. I don't even have 1 fungus gnat flying around. It's a great feeling. Plus, it's dirtier. I keep my tents much cleaner using coco and hydro nutes.

I'm not knocking organic. It's the way nature intended. Outdoors, for me, it would be the way to go, only I can only grow indoors here, so no more organic for me.

There's a method for everyone. Some more ideal for particular situations, like growing in a condo. Hydro is better suited for that, imo.

beansin · Jun 30, 2023

WeedIsMySpinach said:
Both organic and conventional fruits and veggies contain trace amounts of heavy metals based on the soil they are grown in. But pollutants, on the other hand, are found primarily in inorganic foods.
I’m a farmer and I have been since I was a toddler, it’s in my family for over 3 generations and the business has adapted over the years.
I have grown carrots and other friuts and veggies in a comparison grow and trust me organic tastes 1000 times better. Plus if u read up properly u will see the difference in nutrients from organically grown to other methods.

It’s a forum everyone has their own opinion ahahahaha

i have smoked only my own stuff for that many years i honestly couldnt really say if one or the other tastes better . its all the same to me

Jjgrow420 · Jun 30, 2023

WeedIsMySpinach said:
Both organic and conventional fruits and veggies contain trace amounts of heavy metals based on the soil they are grown in. But pollutants, on the other hand, are found primarily in inorganic foods.
I’m a farmer and I have been since I was a toddler, it’s in my family for over 3 generations and the business has adapted over the years.
I have grown carrots and other friuts and veggies in a comparison grow and trust me organic tastes 1000 times better. Plus if u read up properly u will see the difference in nutrients from organically grown to other methods.

It’s a forum everyone has their own opinion ahahahaha

If you read up properly, you would see most 'organic' nutrients are only partly organic sourced, organic is a buzz word. It costs more money, and the fruits are generally smaller, so cost is inflated. Rock dusts contain high levels of heavy metals. Still within legal limits but compare to other nutes and you'd be surprised. I seriously question the fact that you're a farmer I've seen the questions you ask.

beansin · Jun 30, 2023

green_machine_two9er said:
To me it’s a simple cents and dollars question.

I can grow bomb ass sticky icky for basically less than 10-20$ a plant organically. Not sure I could do that just buying the medium over and over again ever run, let alone nutrient cost.

And yields. I find with organics to get the yields you have to grow the plants differently. For example
In a 5x5 a lot of people like 4-5 plants. And veg for 6-8 weeks. Maybe get 1,5-2 lbs.

For organic runs I would put fucking 16 in 5 gallon pots and veg for 10 days in 5x5 Yields. 2lbs in less time, with less inputs and less lighting. Also the hardest thing about soil grows is the soil stalling out. Not putting a huge veg demand on the containers helps a lot.

This thread made me sad, cause beds should be for many years of growing. It’s sucks seeing them torn out cause it didn’t match up to coco growing.

i reused my coca for 7 runs . let it dry out . shake roots off and run 20 ish gals of water throw it and start over . top up with bit of fresh once it starts to brake down and add extra perlite honestly not allot of difference in cost . who ever throws coca away after one run is crazy . dry amendments cost me about the same as sythetic nutes

beansin · Jun 30, 2023

Hollatchaboy said:
For me, the biggest issue growing organic, indoors.... there's lots of bugs. I don't care for them being inside, even though for the most part they stayed in tent, but still, I don't like bugs in the house. I don't even have 1 fungus gnat flying around. It's a great feeling. Plus, it's dirtier. I keep my tents much cleaner using coco and hydro nutes.

I'm not knocking organic. It's the way nature intended. Outdoors, for me, it would be the way to go, only I can only grow indoors here, so no more organic for me.

There's a method for everyone. Some more ideal for particular situations, like growing in a condo. Hydro is better suited for that, imo.

my 1st run in organic was the worst lol sooo many nates . second run in the same soil i had a few but basicly none . . i cant say i liked the idea of bugs in the grow space to start but i liked my wormes lol

WeedIsMySpinach · Jun 30, 2023

Jjgrow420 said:
If you read up properly, you would see most 'organic' nutrients are only partly organic sourced, organic is a buzz word. It costs more money, and the fruits are generally smaller, so cost is inflated. Rock dusts contain high levels of heavy metals. Still within legal limits but compare to other nutes and you'd be surprised. I seriously question the fact that you're a farmer I've seen the questions you ask.

I didn’t say anything about nutrients? I spoke about organic growing…. Using what the earth basically gives u.

are u in U.S?

next u will be telling me the organic/wild grown grass the animals ate contains pesticides which rolls into the manure and then the plant uptakes the pesticide

73 years of organic farming between me and my dad I’ll think I’ll keep doing what I’m doing lol

Hollatchaboy · Jun 30, 2023

WeedIsMySpinach said:
I didn’t say anything about nutrients? I spoke about organic growing…. Using what the earth basically gives u.

are u in U.S?

next u will be telling me the organic/wild grown grass the animals ate contains pesticides which rolls into the manure and then the plant uptakes the pesticide

73 years of organic farming between me and my dad I’ll think I’ll keep doing what I’m doing lol

Actually, you kinda did mention nutrients......"Plus if u read up properly u will see the difference in nutrients from organically grown to other methods'.

Not exactly sure what you were getting at though. Elementally, nutrients are they same, whether organically, or synthetically derived.

cannabiscrusader · Jun 30, 2023

50lb bag of dr earth 4-4-4 $75
75lb bag of dr earth flower girl $100

Not buying anything else for 4 years
never having to take the lid off my sips
Never mixing nutes
Never ph anything
20 zips every 3 weeks from a 4x4

Priceless

WeedIsMySpinach · Jun 30, 2023

Hollatchaboy said:
Actually, you kinda did mention nutrients......"Plus if u read up properly u will see the difference in nutrients from organically grown to other methods'.

Not exactly sure what you were getting at though. Elementally, nutrients are they same, whether organically, or synthetically derived.

I should have explained a little better to what I meant lol
I was over talking about it a while ago but nice one anyway lol

Hollatchaboy · Jun 30, 2023

WeedIsMySpinach said:
I should have explained a little better to what I meant lol
I was over talking about it a while ago but nice one anyway lol

Look im not trying to getting in a pissing match. Some grow methods are better for some than others, but you talk like your way is superior, which it isn't. It's just another way to grow. No more, no less.

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