ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
i feel the exact opposite, higher yields fromoutdoor, poorer quality and taste.. whereas indoor premium quality, and taste with a quarter the weight. indoor i avg a qp per plant under 2k watts mh/hps outdoor i yield just under a pound per plant. the indoor taste is candy, the outdoor taste is not bad but no candy... and i flush, even outdoor, 120 gal of ro water per plant the last week.
my indoor trim is much better graded. this is due to the way outdoor plants grow. its hard to compare because my indoor is all sugar trim.
 

poplars

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i feel the exact opposite, higher yields fromoutdoor, poorer quality and taste.. whereas indoor premium quality, and taste with a quarter the weight. indoor i avg a qp per plant under 2k watts mh/hps outdoor i yield just under a pound per plant. the indoor taste is candy, the outdoor taste is not bad but no candy... and i flush, even outdoor, 120 gal of ro water per plant the last week.

poorer quality statement you speak for yourself... also with the flavor I've had outdoor that tasted much better than any indoor I've ever had... all depends on the grower...


so like I said, you speak for yourself, and only yourself.
 

malignant

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well i have yet to smoke anything spectacular that was grown outdoor, that being said ive never been to cali. or canada, or anywhere with a thriving cannabis scene. i live in methtown new mexico.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
well i have yet to smoke anything spectacular that was grown outdoor, that being said ive never been to cali. or canada, or anywhere with a thriving cannabis scene. i live in methtown new mexico.
yeah, thats whatsup. The outdoor here looks better than the indoor. Same cuts, same moms, vegged together.
 

poplars

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yeah i live in a desert
thats a bummer but don't knock the desert I live in the nor-cal high desert and we can grow some of the best weed on earth up here... maybe one day you'll be able to try to breed some strains that can actually /flourish / in your area.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
thats a bummer but don't knock the desert I live in the nor-cal high desert and we can grow some of the best weed on earth up here... maybe one day you'll be able to try to breed some strains that can actually /flourish / in your area.
big difference between high desert and low desert. high desert is similar climate to the hash motherlands of the hindu kush. low desert is just hot and bad for annual plants.
 

poplars

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big difference between high desert and low desert. high desert is similar climate to the hash motherlands of the hindu kush. low desert is just hot and bad for annual plants.
ah I could see that...... climatizatoin can do wonders but theres definitely significant atvantages up here from the get-go...
 

malignant

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we are high altitude, its just so dry, you have to use humidifiers if you want your herb to hang for 5 days.. otherwise its bone dry in 3, makes the cure very tricky
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
we are high altitude, its just so dry, you have to use humidifiers if you want your herb to hang for 5 days.. otherwise its bone dry in 3, makes the cure very tricky
I've heard all of herb in Colorado and New Mexico are over dried. On the other hand you probably aren't constantly having to prevent powdery mildew like I am lol

actinovate + serenade + sulfur FTW!
 

NightbirdX

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Neem Oil, Matt. :) You were the one who taught me that, lol. Neem has always been the best method for dealing with mildew for me. I tried the serenade. That smells like BO and beach lotion, lol. It did work, but not as quickly or long lasting as Neem for me.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Neem Oil, Matt. :) You were the one who taught me that, lol. Neem has always been the best method for dealing with mildew for me. I tried the serenade. That smells like BO and beach lotion, lol. It did work, but not as quickly or long lasting as Neem for me.
Heck yeah. Its like I miss one week of neem and my veg tent gets PM (basically 90% RH in the veg tent)
 

malignant

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neem on mildew?? wow, we dont ever have to worry about mildew, mold or any kind of fungis here, its always 0-5% humidity out here.

yeah over drying is a problem. i dry in a sealed bathroom with a leaky shower, and 2 5 gal buckets with airstones to make it take 5 days to dry.. otherwise stems snap in half in 3..
 

NightbirdX

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I live in the midwest and it is a constant battle. Wet falls, winters, and springs, humid summers. Neem for sure has done the best. It doesn't cure the plant of the PM, but it does coat the leaves and make it unable for PM or any fungi to attach and grow on it.
 

mellokitty

Moderatrix of Journals
MILK people!! lactoferrin is your friend!!

(for those of you who think kitty just lost it, i'm talking about the 1:10 skim milk spray for pm.....)
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
GOOD SHIT !!!!!!!! never even heard of that nor crossed my mind.
Milk is more of a temporary cure than an actual preventative. I prefer biological methods because they tend to attack the root of the problem instead of just temporarily changing the pH of the plant surface.
 

mellokitty

Moderatrix of Journals
Milk is more of a temporary cure than an actual preventative. I prefer biological methods because they tend to attack the root of the problem instead of just temporarily changing the pH of the plant surface.
indeed; this article in wine business monthly talks about a multi-pronged approach for an actual preventative, BUT, of the "alternatives," milk and whey outperformed both "horticultural oil" and bacillus subtilis....
i have to admit i'm very very curious about whey, as it hadn't occurred to me as an option until i read this article....

http://www.winebusiness.com/wbm/?go=getArticle&dataId=46910

"The materials that displayed efficacy against PM in greenhouse trials were then evaluated in a series of trials in commercial vineyards. The following is a summary of the results from Verdelho and Syrah vineyards:

The Bacillus subtilis product provided a significantly lower severity of PM infection than the untreated control but was not as effective in reducing disease severity when compared to sulfur, milk or whey. The bacterium performed more poorly in field trials than it did in the greenhouse trials.

Similarly, the potassium bicarbonate material showed efficacy relative to the untreated control in the field, but did not perform as well as sulfur, milk, whey or programs of mixed materials (horticultural oils, potassium bicarbonate, whey and sulfur). And finally, the horticultural oils alone did not perform as well as milk, whey, the combination programs or the potassium bicarbonate.

Clearly, the best performance was seen in the milk and whey materials, with whey being the single most consistent performer. Whey was shown to be effective in a spray concentration of 15 g/L (2 ounces per gallon) when combined with either a surfactant or horticultural oil.

Why whey? Milk and whey convey control for PM through several means. For one, free oxygen radicals are produced when milk or whey are exposed to sunlight. The free radicals destroy the fungal hyphae and conidia. Additionally, a natural antimicrobial compound in milk (lactoferrin) ruptures the fungal conidia."

i've recently been discussing this with one of my gardening gurus and he mentioned something about how the presence of mineral salts in milk are also believed to help inhibit the "grow back".... i always thought milk was a pH thing too, just like baking soda. but apparently there's more to it than that.​
 
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