ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize

Genetics have everything to do with it. Sativas tend to give meltier ice wax. My favorites for full melt are OG and other Chem Dawg relatives. I have just located a cut of the "Matt Rize" Sour D out of Norcal. As in the one we've all seen so oily and melty in Matts posts. I can't wait to spin her after a living organic grow. Some varieties lend themselves better to IWE, some just fall apart and yield greener hash!

Green Water is ok IMO. We throw that out, or water it back into the ladies. Green hash is a fail for sure. Agitate gentler. To remove human error get a mini washing machine. They take the labor down a bit and improve yield and consistency.

Don't quit, hash making is a delicate art that takes skill and experience to perfect. RIZE UP full melt is not an easy thing to mimic, everything need be dialed; from the preferably organic cultivation, to the trim and handling, to the spin and separation, and finally the finishing drying, texturing and curing. True ICE WAX is a fine achievement that requires skill and dedication. The timing of it all is what I am still trying to dial further. Just like in growing; environment and timing are tantamount!

if your hash came out green and you used frozen fresh, maybe you didnt rinse you hash good enough and water got trapped in?

I made my first run of bubble tonight and I have to say I'm pretty pleased so far. I finished a little while ago and have it drying now.
Thank you Mr. Rize for your knowledge and sharing it with the world.

I have one question for anyone making this. If your patty breaks while your micro planing it, how do you shave up the smaller chunks? I had to settle for a few smaller left over chunks that I couldn't get through my sifter.

So, any tips on micro planing the small stuff?

greenghost420 said:

if your hash came out green and you used frozen fresh, maybe you didnt rinse you hash good enough and water got trapped in?

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if you use fresh frozen trim and start agitation before it unfreezes it will shred in the water, ruining the extract.

mightyBUMone said:

I made my first run of bubble tonight and I have to say I'm pretty pleased so far. I finished a little while ago and have it drying now.
Thank you Mr. Rize for your knowledge and sharing it with the world.

I have one question for anyone making this. If your patty breaks while your micro planing it, how do you shave up the smaller chunks? I had to settle for a few smaller left over chunks that I couldn't get through my sifter.

So, any tips on micro planing the small stuff?

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very very carefully. i used to microplane ginger at work....

Hey Matt awesome tutorials and videos, thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience for everyone to learn from. Just a few questions...

I have a 5 gallon set of 420 bags but I never really had enough trim to work with until now. How much trim do you think is adequate for the 5gal set?

The kushberry I am currently growing has very tiny trichomes, they are hardly visible. Is it worth trying to make bubble with this type of trim? My chemdogs on the other hand are very frosty I think they will make great extract.

Could you please explain into detail how you chill your extract before grating, in your video you say not to freeze it just chill it or the water will get mixed with the oil.

Rize up!

Hey guys awesome info on here, I'm new to making bubble but have been a fan since I first saw it in a high times mag when I was still in high school prob almost 10 yrs ago. Anyways, had a couple quick questions: first I am wondering about agitation, I want to try to mimic the xl machine as much as possible but not sure how to do it exactly. Do u guys think its best to just sort of spin the icy mix or is a rougher agitation method needed. Does the bubblenow machine just spin to agitate? And if so, what is the mechanical action that forces it to spin? Water jets? Or some kind of agitator like a washing machine has?

Also wondering if anyone has ever used acetone to make hash. Same principle as butane or any other solvent just doesn't seem like many people use. Just curious because we used it a lot in chemistry labs to clean glassware of fingerprints and other oils, and to dry them faster. It dissolves oils quickly and evaporates quickly as well and can be found in any hardware store. Just curious if anyone has any experience. Thanks

Greetings everyone,

i havent made it all the way through this thread, so forgive me if my questions have been answered.

basically, im just wondering whats up with the price difference in bags. There is 5 gal. 8 bag sets on ebay for like $40 but some brand name bags sell the same number and size of bags for like $300+. Am i missing something here? Thanks.

Also, ive been looking into washers and think this may be a good, cheap option for my situation, check this guy out.
http://www.compactappliance.com/WONDERWASH-Laundry-Alternative-Wonderwash-Washing-Machine/WONDERWASH,default,pd.html?mtcpromotion=PLA>Appliances>Laundry>Portable_Washers>WONDERWASH&src=SHOPPING&gclid=CKGSzO-DqLUCFYqk4Aodv24ACA

Any thoughts on that? Im thinking, since cost is a bit of a factor for me, i might spring for a quality work bag and a cheap 8 bag set and gt one of these washers. A legit small scale setup? If the brand name bags are that much better, just say the word, ill do what i gotta do. Thanks in advance...cant wait to try my luck with some ice! Im thrilled to see that people have found a way to achieve bho like results in a cleaner way. Props!

I know its a hand crank, but it would be a bit more convenient than a spoon and im not doing this all the time haha. But, im not sure if the tumbling motion is good or not?

Cheap bags break down fast plus many other possible issues. Buy nice or buy twice. I would only go Ice-o-later, bubble bags, or essential bags but these cost more for a quality set.

IMO the point of a machine is consistency and not physically having to do the work. Hand crank eliminates these two pluses. How are you going to dab one handed while cranking? A mini washing machine (5g) will run about $100 on amazon.

Awesome, thanks! So def. gotta get the good bags. I think ill start there and after a run or 2 get a machine. 'Preciate the advice.

its kinds frustrating looking around at the different sites, the 4 bag sets are way cheaper, but lack the best few bags, the the 8 bag set has all the important ones, and a few extras that i prob wont need...tryin to make some money i guess haha.

The expensive bags are going to be manufactured from much nicer material and will have much stronger stitching too. Also the screen sizing will have no variation whe the cheaper bags may say 100 microns but the hole sizes prob vary give or take 5-20 microns because they are much cheaper. Thnk bout $300 worth of material and labor compared to $40. They still have to make a profit so they just use cheap materials and cheap labor and end up with cheap product.

AnywAys, I bought a set of cheap bags to start with and kind of perfect my process. Plus I couldn't find any nicer bags in stores near me. Once I start having more trim regularly I'm going to order better bags.

And one more thing country boy, u can order a smaller set of 4-5 bags and then order single bags of whatever micron size u want. Most sites have an option to select single bags. Thanks guys

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what he said cheap shitty bags make shitty hash

Yeah, i think im getting the 3 bag set and then adding 2 more. The 3 bagger on fresh headies comes with 220 (of course) 73, and 25. Think ill get 2 more individual bags, prob the 45 and 120... Still debating about the 90 tho...decisions decisions haha.

Get an 8 bag set. They are spendy but worth it. Shitty bags dont neccesarily make shitty hash. They just have shitty micron screens that may be labeled the wrong size. I was using appolo bags there cheaper. The hash is good. But i would like the good seperation that the spendy bags have. Might as well go with the spendy bags now. Thats the one thing ive learned while growing all my own meds its best to go with quality than something cheap. The cheap stuff you will have to replace again and again. The quality stuff lasts. Replacing the cheap stuff adds up to Shit i might as well have bought the spendy shit since ive went cheap three times and im already in more than if i would have went qualtiy. Make sense? Sorry havent smoked yet today.

i bought bubble bags in like 2006 and tho they didnt have too many miles til this past year, i love em. great quality. i beat the hell out of em and no probs. i got a 1 gal 8 bag set and lately just run the 220 and 25 with like half zip fresh frozen and always have good results.

well. just spend 3 hours sorting it.... not fun at all holy shit.

this is the junk bag. theres like 5 lbs of stems in there and 1 lb of yellow and shitty fan leaves:

the not bad stuff... small buds in here, lots of small leaves. some stems, but theyre soft and mushy. I dont have the time or patience to sort it 100%. theres like 3 lbs here:



these are buds that I pulled off the stems... there were lots. some would have been over 1g if dried! not bad. there is 160 grams here wet. like 6 oz.








not bad considering it looked like this when I got it lol... the middle was good. the outsides was shit:








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so, my plan is to make this into bubble hash. any suggestions?? I got 3 bags of ice and the trim sitting in the freezer right now. should I just do 1 big clean up at the end? or half ways through? I plan on mixing it like crazy. pulling it out, putting more ice and trim in the mixing it a lot more.

im no hash expert, I dont even like making bubble hash... 10% return is way too low and I bet this willl be a 5% return run. my fingers formed some hash while sorting through it and it looked red and melty like the last hash I got... it looked delicious. not like my bubble hash that looked like blonde pressed kief I am hoping that this weed forms some full melt hash. that would be awesome!!!

Its worth a try. Dont wanna sound like a dick or anything but that trim all looks like pretty much garbage. I would still try it because who knows maybe its good and your camera sucks and i cant see the rest of the trim. Vacpurge if you have read this tutorial you would see that not all bud makes full melt bubble. Some strains melt nice and others not so good. When you say you are going to mix it like crazy thats not good bud makes me think you havent read this at all. If you mix it hard and rough like your saying your most likely gonna get plant material in your hash. You dont want to mix it like crazy a nice gentle agitation the first time. With my Bubble now machine like Matt uses for sub that i have if i put it on 8 mins the agitation is too much and i get a little plant material in my shit which i dont like so i do a 4-5 min and its much better. Im not sure if you have read all this info but if you havent i would go back and look at it again.

The bubble that you make I believe is only as good as your bud and trim. High quality trim = good hash. Low quality trim = low quality hash.

only beat the trim real quick, then gently agitate the water to seperater the heads from leaf. i rotate my bucket back n forth lie a washing mashine and get awesome results. after 2 or 3 runs when im not getting much more, thats when i beat the shit out of it and do a final run. i dont get much green matter in my hash ever! iv started using only fresh frozen.

when microplane ing does it matter if im using the thin long one with fine teeth or should i use the big rectagle looking one with the more coarse teeth.