greenghost420
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who changes the test results from fail to pass?
ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize
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TerpCylia
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I wasn't claiming them to all be only on the surface and am fully aware of systemic and nonsystemic properties. Was just pointing out the diff in IWE(wash/sieve) and BHO(rinse/evap) and the tendencies to concentrate indiscriminately. I see now that I should have been more specific.
I think that the bigger point is that they speculate the IWE makers are pickier and care about what is in their starting material more than BHO makers. This may be true to some extent.
I am under the impression that microbial testing is for the microbes(fungus and bacteria) and mycotoxins not for the fungicides and insecticides.
" Spinosad is a mixture of chemical compounds in the spinosyn family that has a generalized structure consisting of a unique tetracyclic ring system attached to an amino sugar (D-forosamine) and a neutral sugar (tri-Ο-methyl-L-rhamnose).[2] Spinosad is relatively non-polar and not easily dissolved in water.[3]"
-Wiki
hyroot
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The microbial fails can also be from who ever handled it after the entry was submitted. Even labs are not always on top. I've even seen tests from hospitals get screwed up by the lab techs because the lab tech cut her finger and her blood ended up in the sample. So there's no weed labs with techs that have phd's in chemistry. They're all mostly stoner / growers that found their niche. The pick and shovel salesman so to speak ..
Oregon Gardener
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Interesting, the Oregonion Newspaper recently ran a story about independent testing in Oregon dispensaries. (testing the testers) and there several discrepancies as well.
Oregon Gardener
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Holy shit my first Rosin pull. It came out like a Rorschach test! 32% Although I was using my usual hippy hash from 75m and 25m, I decarbed and micro-planed it. I wanted new bags for X-mas but Santa told me to f" off! The second pull didn't go so well. Anyway this shit is headbanging bomb and F'kn Sticky. Shoulda wore gloves! Shouldn't have taken such a big hit. There was spittle. 
my first Rosin pull. It came out like a Rorschach test! 32% Although I was using my usual hippy hash from 75m and 25m, I decarbed and micro-planed it. I wanted new bags for X-mas but Santa told me to f" off! The second pull didn't go so well. Anyway this shit is headbanging bomb and F'kn Sticky. Shoulda wore gloves! Shouldn't have taken such a big hit. There was spittle. Attachments
TerpCylia
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Way to go man! The first squish gets you going. And it only gets better.Holy shit
Try:
-Use mesh bags(or coffee filters if you must)
-Presquish your product(flower or hash)
-Grab a vice from you local hardware store(I would suggest one that will hold the pressure)
Come join us in the Rosin Tech threads:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/rosin-tech.869445/page-34#post-12217283
https://www.rollitup.org/t/rosin.891133/#post-12216361
poplars
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As someone who has made an utter shitload of Ice Wax, I would say that it definitely cleans the trichome's exterior more than any other extraction method. Especially if using R/O water. Do you have proof of trichomes actually absorbing pesticides? As a previous grower myself I'm inclined to believe that they merely coat the trichome and that's why solvent extraction and other methods pick up so much of it vs Ice water as many of these pesticides are water soluble.
hyroot
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Well since trichomes can and do pull moisture out of the air. And pesticides are water soluble. Then it's self explanatory.
Oregon Gardener
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I'm ordering the hash bags tonight from ? ( gotta go back and check my notes. and the Tea-bags from Heddy.com ( unless you have a better idea) and a high quality t-shirt heat press. I did press the hash after I micro-planed/ de-carbed it, but for my next run I'm going to de-carb again right before the pull. I'm waiting until the new hash bags arrive so I dont waste any more material. A couple of years ago we started blowing a lot of oil. I really have never been comfortable with it. Co2 was going to be my next adventure, but I'm quite thrilled with this process. Looking forward to pressing out some Blueberry or Cherry bomb. Thanks for the encouragement. If you're ever this way be sure and stop in. Any NORML person would certainly do that. LoL. I'll be posting my next run in the Rosin Tech threads and If you have a You-tube video and or web site, I'll find it. Thanks again, Highest Regards, O.G.
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Oregon Gardener
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That is part of the reason that I don't share equipment any more. I used to let folks come over and do hash runs, but sadly.... not any more. We still throw hash parties though. Here is our official uniform. The O'l Lady
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Oregon Gardener
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I'm only doing it because I saw it on the Frenchi Canoli thread not because of some great scientific theory. Actually I haven't done any actual research about it. I have been so busy in the grow room that I have not had time.
We are smoking it.
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qwizoking
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decarbing is mostly counter productive, and is really only degradation. it gets decarbed when it reaches boiling point and travels to your lungs or other mucous membranes.. one could say that a slow enough decarb would give more thc than decarbing at 500° almost instantly (a bic lighter) ..however even if you did that, it still must be hit by the same high heat .... and any decarbing before hand is just degradation
what frenchy is really attempting to do with the heat and pressure of the wine bottle...if thats what yall are referring.. is to melt and homogenize the hash, this makes it smoother, taste better and its cleaner..ill explain
any possible plant matter that made its way through will be broken down-
secondary metabolites are toxic and must be held in a storage cavity to prevent cell death and indeed "thca and cbga cause 100% cell death in 10 day old suspension cultured cannabis sativa cells at 50um(through apoptosis). The cannabinoid precursors do not have this effect and some can be found in leaf material The results of reverse transcription pcr and heterologous expression suggest that THCA synthase is localized in the apoplastic space of the glandular trichome only"
this apoptosis-little cellular explosions i suppose.. as i said, "cleans" the hash and smooths the smoke, the waxy heads when combusted, are harsh and acrid
the movement, pressing with the bottle, folding and repeating.. also allows oxygen to better reach the active compounds(and temp speeds the processes) as well as the favorful terps esters etc (many of which are also psychoactive) that would normally be trapped behind the waxy head, slowing this process.. this technique aids cyclization and formation of new and additional "desired" products including terpenes..
also, when the trichs are in this... mixture whatever you want to call it, patty lol. less o2 and heat reaches each trich head(if you were just smoking sift), while smoking..less surface area giving a smoother and cooler smoke as you burn it, and makes it easer to dab.. infact it may even "perma goo" with the temps as alot of rosin does, which many people assume is better quality, visually its more appealing and resembles a terp filled extract as they have much lower melting points..gooey.. however this is not what thats from necessarily, hence "perma goo" the compounds are actually forming an azeotrope pulling water from air, they are hygroscopic
*im not talking bad about any tek mentioned..not everyone "burns" or combusts there hash..etc, dont play word games with me lol. i didnt go into pros and cons for a reason
my little penny..
hope it made your dollar
what frenchy is really attempting to do with the heat and pressure of the wine bottle...if thats what yall are referring.. is to melt and homogenize the hash, this makes it smoother, taste better and its cleaner..ill explain
any possible plant matter that made its way through will be broken down-
secondary metabolites are toxic and must be held in a storage cavity to prevent cell death and indeed "thca and cbga cause 100% cell death in 10 day old suspension cultured cannabis sativa cells at 50um(through apoptosis). The cannabinoid precursors do not have this effect and some can be found in leaf material The results of reverse transcription pcr and heterologous expression suggest that THCA synthase is localized in the apoplastic space of the glandular trichome only"
this apoptosis-little cellular explosions i suppose.. as i said, "cleans" the hash and smooths the smoke, the waxy heads when combusted, are harsh and acrid
the movement, pressing with the bottle, folding and repeating.. also allows oxygen to better reach the active compounds(and temp speeds the processes) as well as the favorful terps esters etc (many of which are also psychoactive) that would normally be trapped behind the waxy head, slowing this process.. this technique aids cyclization and formation of new and additional "desired" products including terpenes..
also, when the trichs are in this... mixture whatever you want to call it, patty lol. less o2 and heat reaches each trich head(if you were just smoking sift), while smoking..less surface area giving a smoother and cooler smoke as you burn it, and makes it easer to dab.. infact it may even "perma goo" with the temps as alot of rosin does, which many people assume is better quality, visually its more appealing and resembles a terp filled extract as they have much lower melting points..gooey.. however this is not what thats from necessarily, hence "perma goo" the compounds are actually forming an azeotrope pulling water from air, they are hygroscopic
*im not talking bad about any tek mentioned..not everyone "burns" or combusts there hash..etc, dont play word games with me lol. i didnt go into pros and cons for a reason
my little penny..
hope it made your dollar
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Oregon Gardener
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Yes, that is exactly what we were doing with the hot water bottle. It seemed to us that every process we added improved the taste and changed the high. Our weekly hash party has changed since I discovered this forum. I've been making the same hippy hash for years and years........ and years, but since the arrival of the Oil Jockeys this is a much different market. Thanks for the research. I appreciate it to be sure! However, you should have mentioned that there would be homework... Gosh.. LoL We will be tested throughout the process as is now customary here in Or. This is going to get interesting. We are waiting on this years results, but this is my House strain, and here are the year before's outdoor results. This is what we will be concentrating. anyway, thanks again. O.G.
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TerpCylia
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I do basically the same thing. Except that I just wrap the hash in a parchment and press with the hair straightener on very very low(turn it on and press as it warms up). I find it much more efficient to pre press all materials before you squish it for rosin. You can pack a lot more material in and it's easier to handle and stuff more in the mesh bag.Yes, that is exactly what we were doing with the hot water bottle. It seemed to us that every process we added improved the taste and changed the high. Our weekly hash party has changed since I discovered this forum. I've been making the same hippy hash for years and years........ and years, but since the arrival of the Oil Jockeys this is a much different market. Thanks for the research. I appreciate it to be sure! However, you should have mentioned that there would be homework... Gosh.. LoL We will be tested throughout the process as is now customary here in Or. This is going to get interesting. We are waiting on this years results, but this is my House strain, and here are the year before's outdoor results. This is what we will be concentrating. anyway, thanks again. O.G.
I usually decarb at 220degF in the oven for 20 minutes and this is only for edibles. Decarboxylation is the process of removing the carboxylic acid from the THC chain and making it digestible(since combustion does this when you smoke but your metabolism doesn't).
TerpCylia
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I have been using 25u bags from Boldtbags only because they hooked it up for taking a month to replace my washer bag that ripped on the second wash.... So I'm not able to say they are any better than others but I have had good results with them. As for a t-shirt press I would highly recommend getting something more substantial if you are going to be processing a decent amount of material and/or are planning on pressing flowers(you need a lot more pressure for flower rosin). That being said I can press 10gs of flower at a time with my hair straightener and a desktop vice. It's all about how you come at it.I'm ordering the hash bags tonight from ? ( gotta go back and check my notes. and the Tea-bags from Heddy.com ( unless you have a better idea) and a high quality t-shirt heat press. I did press the hash after I micro-planed/ de-carbed it, but for my next run I'm going to de-carb again right before the pull. I'm waiting until the new hash bags arrive so I dont waste any more material. A couple of years ago we started blowing a lot of oil. I really have never been comfortable with it. Co2 was going to be my next adventure, but I'm quite thrilled with this process. Looking forward to pressing out some Blueberry or Cherry bomb. Thanks for the encouragement. If you're ever this way be sure and stop in. Any NORML person would certainly do that. LoL. I'll be posting my next run in the Rosin Tech threads and If you have a You-tube video and or web site, I'll find it. Thanks again, Highest Regards, O.G.
Check out the info I've been spreading on the other Rosin thread:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/rosin-tech.869445/page-34#post-12217283
I haven't been making any videos or even taking too many pictures as I don't have a set up that I'm really ready to show off but I like helping people out with the basics and getting them to the point where they can make their own hi quality medicine in a short amount of time. Maybe this weekend I'll take some pics of my set up and start consolidating the info for people to reference. Check out the FB pages that are popping up. Advanced Rosin Tech Discussion is a good one if your looking to get a quality setup for production. Much love brotha and I will definitely drop in if I'm ever in the area and you do the same if you're in the Bay area. Squish on!
Oregon Gardener
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Well, if you mean S.F. Bay Area, I'm from the East Bay when I was a puppy and Berzerkly and Oakland are some of my haunts, so ya never know.
Thanks again. O.G.
MJtheIndicator
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∆9-Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) has a boiling point of 157 °C (315 °F)
∆1-Tetrahydrocannabinolic Acid (THC-A) has a boiling point of 105 °C (220 °F)
@ 50°C (122°F) THCA decarboxylates as water molecules held in the carbonate form evaporate and activate THC.
The window between decarboxylation and boiling point for THCA is relatively small i.e, 55 °C (98 °F). It could be argued that heating product beyond 50°C (122°F) results in degraded THC and product being heated above 105 °C (220 °F) is boiling off THCA leaving zero potential value for THC, so of course you will have a shatter consistency once THCA is spent as qwizoking has pointed out in his comments forecasting perma goo. Although anecdotal, my feeling is waxes and lipids attempting to coalesce beneath 105 °C (220 °F) are more volatile the closer they get to said temperature.
As regards goo, a loose analogy is cake batter or folding in air. We've all heard the term by now being used to describe frothy BHO product. However, I feel meringue would be a better description more indicative of whipping.
∆1-Tetrahydrocannabinolic Acid (THC-A) has a boiling point of 105 °C (220 °F)
@ 50°C (122°F) THCA decarboxylates as water molecules held in the carbonate form evaporate and activate THC.
The window between decarboxylation and boiling point for THCA is relatively small i.e, 55 °C (98 °F). It could be argued that heating product beyond 50°C (122°F) results in degraded THC and product being heated above 105 °C (220 °F) is boiling off THCA leaving zero potential value for THC, so of course you will have a shatter consistency once THCA is spent as qwizoking has pointed out in his comments forecasting perma goo. Although anecdotal, my feeling is waxes and lipids attempting to coalesce beneath 105 °C (220 °F) are more volatile the closer they get to said temperature.
As regards goo, a loose analogy is cake batter or folding in air. We've all heard the term by now being used to describe frothy BHO product. However, I feel meringue would be a better description more indicative of whipping.
Temperature is also a factor, assuming this comment only pertains to pressure. I am still skeptical of the trend to avoid waxes and lipids. I feel their molecular relationship regarding whole plant therapy is disregarded not just in a natural state as in juices, but in terms of their role within combusted product. The avoidance or trend seems to be born of the lotus affect and an anecdotally born paranoia surrounding epicuticular wax crystals' defense duty. I have not heard mention of the crystals' molecular transport mechanism when individuals advise against waxes.