Snapthatbowl
Member
Im sure this is an obvious question but how do you tell its dab worthy prior to the run?
My friend and I have been making BHO for years and want to move onto this instead.
Thanks!
ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize
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My friend and I have been making BHO for years and want to move onto this instead.
Thanks!
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
15 years of looking at cannabis under a scope. The resin gland heads reveal the truth of the grow. And genetics... well thats just more experience. Anything SourD/Chem/OG will make amazing full melt.
Snapthatbowl
Member
For sure man, what micron bubble bags do you recommend to start off? Were gonna get the bubblenow XL I think.
Thanks again
Gandalph62
Member
Congrats hope your first turned out as well as you hoped
Gandalph62
Member
Bubblenows are ok but over priced all they are is a portable/camping wash machine which you can pick up for 45.00 to 85.00 dollars than buy a set if payload or other less expensive bags and save yourself the money have used all kinds, know the owners but would still not waste money on their high proced bags
Snapthatbowl
Member
So any portable washing machine with a pump would work?
OLD DUDE
Active Member
Well, I said I was going to have to relearn how to make water hash, and the small differences in making it the way I used to do it and the way you do it is frickin amazing! THANKS!!!!!
Now, I have a shit load that is dried and in big chunks that sucks, it gets ya stoned but it's ugly and my friends bitch about it! Is there anyway to redo it???? I tried soaking it for a couple days but it is still a bit chunky
Now, I have a shit load that is dried and in big chunks that sucks, it gets ya stoned but it's ugly and my friends bitch about it! Is there anyway to redo it???? I tried soaking it for a couple days but it is still a bit chunky
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Once its made its done. No going back.Well, I said I was going to have to relearn how to make water hash, and the small differences in making it the way I used to do it and the way you do it is frickin amazing! THANKS!!!!!
Now, I have a shit load that is dried and in big chunks that sucks, it gets ya stoned but it's ugly and my friends bitch about it! Is there anyway to redo it???? I tried soaking it for a couple days but it is still a bit chunky
Hi Matt. I was wondering what you think about the more rare 185 micron bag. Do you think this bag yould catch most of the same contaminents as the 160, and let some of the larger trichomes through to my 120 bag that would usually get caught up in the 160? Also there is the 38 micron bag. Do you think this is big enough to let the same contaminates through that the 45 does but catches a few more of the smaller trichomes. Why are these bags not as available as the other sizes. What brand is better for them iceolator, bubblelator, is there another one evan. I have read most of this entire thread over the past two days. I am finally ready to start making hash the right way and leave my past methods behind. Thanks Matt.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Dont worry so much over the specific bag numbers. Find goood material. Learn to extract properly, and you won't have contaminants to filter out.
Iceolator is the best. Mila is the hash queen. Trust her, her products, her customer service. She is over in amdam and to order you work directly with the company, often her. You basically email your info over and they ship you an upgraded version of what you ordered. I paid for 5 gallons, she sent me 20s because she knows thats what I need as a professional hashmaster.
http://x-traktor.com/ is a friend of mine and she makes very high quality bags, the only one making bags in the US that I support.
Bubbleman's bags are whack. They cost too much and do not have extended mesh (#fail), plus he is a hater.
SenorBrownWater
Well-Known Member
yay! finished the thread...i took notes...just what i thought might help me later...
ill paste them here....
hope to help others...and matt not have to reHASH it over and over....
here are my notes: (all copy pasta not my words)
[video=youtube_share;e_wlN4cSmbY]http://youtu.be/e_wlN4cSmbY[/video]
I'll start with tips for using the BubbleNowXL:
-Wrap that b*tch with some kind of insulation. Crucial design flaw. An easy fix is to wrap your machine with one of those car window sun blocks, the shiny 'metal' looking ones.
-Temperature of tap water varies greatly, as I learned from a brewer. Something to keep in mind for several reasons.
-Store bought ice sucks. I have a whole article on that, soon to be posted.
-Temperature of the air affects the overall efficiency. Bubble early or late when it is hot out. Or bubble indoors and keep it cool.
-NEVER overfill the work bag, worst move ever. 3/4 full or less.
-The goal is to perform the spinning agitation at as cold of a temperature as possible. Start with ice in the machine, fill the bag with layers of ice/trim, zip and double knot, more ice. Now add water, but only about half way up. Next, turn the machine on, then slowly add more water until the contents barely begin to spin. You can help the bag find it's home in the ice/water mixture and the machine does the rest.
-Don't be afraid to take the screw out that holds the spinning disk in place. Clean down there once and a while.
TO LOAD THE MACHINE:
-I load the machine with 20 lbs of ice to begin.
-Then I place the work bag on top of that.
-In the work bag goes the trim and ice.
-Layered ice/trim/ice. I like to run about half and half, and would love to hear what you guys do for this step.
-Fill the work bag 3/4 or less. And about half full if using dry trim, as it will expand when rehydrated.
-Double knot the bag closed, or more, worst mess ever if it opens.
-Add more ice, on top and the sides of the work bag.
-Do not fill the machine too miuch or the separation will not be efficient. Leave at least 6 inches at the top.
-Sometimes I let it sit at this point, if the trim is not frozen.
-Then add water, not enough to see it, that is the trick. You will have enough water just before you see it Rize up through the ice.
-Let it soak, just a little if wet/frozen trim. 20+ minutes for dry trim.
-Agitate 20-30 minutes, depends on many factors. I usually just watch an episode of the Simpsons and call it good.
-Drain... see: Draining the Machine post tba
To allow my wet hash to dry:
1) I lay it out as-is overnight, sometimes 24 hours if it is cold out.
2) I grate it to a sand texture with my micro-plane, used ONLY for this purpose. Consider this a disposable tool that needs to be replaced if you are a big hash maker. They can't be sharpened like knives/scissors.
3) I lay this wet sandy bubble hash out on a baking sheet used ONLY for this purpose. I use a non-stick, so no metal for the next step.
4) I let it slowly dry, covered with a silk screen, and occasionally 'cut' it up with a card to let it dry from all sides.
5) As soon as it is dry it goes into my hash curing jar.
Originally Posted by RPsmoke420 View Post
Do you dry and cure while the hash is separated? Do you press your hash after the cure? How long of a cure? Or do you prefer unpressed? Just curious. Also a little confused... after you remove hash from the bags... you place the glob on the drying screen... is that how you leave it over night? Or do you break it up first? I immidiately begin breaking the hash down into sand-like texture out of fear of water/mold/funk.
Great questions.
I dry the blob as-is overnight, mold/mildew won't grow that fast on bubble that is exposed. By the next day the blob has completely changed texture, and at this point I can already judge the overall qualities of the hash. I can judge the purity by color, which is related to my separation process. I can also judge how melty the hash will be when cured, which mostly depends on strain an if you did a wet or dry trim and separation. By the next day this oily mass doesn't want to crumble, it has melted into a solid. This allows me to really grate the hash into a powder (because it won't crumble), which ensures 100% mold/mildew free bubble hash... and frankly the hashes get the best colors from this drying method.
My blackberry hash picts show both drying methods together. The brown candy is simply broken up by hand, the gold powder was grated, then combined to make this image. That was my secret, but now it is everyones
Now I do 15 to 30 minutes of "soft" setting agitation. I used to do an hour. Fresh trim gets agitated slightly longer than the dry.
Some popular full melt varieties are sour d, blackberry kush, og, blue dream.
Updates include:
using more bags: 220 (work), 220, 190, 160, 120, 73, 45
using no ice in the work bag (for machines)
using all RO water
using (chlorine free) paper towels instead of cloth to wick out the water after collection
33 degrees F
Hash does not need curing to be hash, that is only for old school contaminated hash. Pure extracts can be smoked about 24 hours after being made, although they continue to cure over a couple weeks. After about 6 months the potency actually goes down as THC is converted to CBN.
1. After scooping your hash out of your bag and putting it on your screen do you not press any of the water out at all? Just leave it for 12-24 hours?
CORRECT
2. What's the point of the silk screen over the top of the drying pan, just to keep unwanted things like dust and hair out?
CORRECT
3. When you say at last it goes into your curing jar does that mean you cure it similar to herb? IE fill your jar up 7/8's full and burp 1-2 times a day as needed? Or just putting it in a container waiting for it's time to be smoked?
CORRECT, But I don't burp. I fill the jars all the way full and leave them closed.
Stick it in your pocket for a bit.. pull it and let cool. POOF. taffy
the pocket cure. 100 F is a very safe temperature for cannabis resins. You won't drive off or alter flavor at such a low temp.
and IMO, pressing hash isn't a bad thing, just let it cure in powdered form first, and press it by hand, using only the heat of your hands.... prevents oxidation and probably is better in the long term IMO.
hey Matt i made some hash today using dry ice, don't know if you like the method, personally with my cheap set of bubble bags, i got really nice quality using the 73 micron, and then finishing with the 120 bag....u like???
Pocket cure = putting it in a jar in your pocket while you work for a day, the body heat will melt it together and make it easily dabbable
With fresh frozen it goes from the trim table to the freezer tray (exposed to air in the freezer during this stage) for 2-3 hours till flash frozen, then into the ziploc for longer storage or to free up space for the next tower o' fresh to flash
ill paste them here....
hope to help others...and matt not have to reHASH it over and over....
here are my notes: (all copy pasta not my words)
[video=youtube_share;e_wlN4cSmbY]http://youtu.be/e_wlN4cSmbY[/video]
I'll start with tips for using the BubbleNowXL:
-Wrap that b*tch with some kind of insulation. Crucial design flaw. An easy fix is to wrap your machine with one of those car window sun blocks, the shiny 'metal' looking ones.
-Temperature of tap water varies greatly, as I learned from a brewer. Something to keep in mind for several reasons.
-Store bought ice sucks. I have a whole article on that, soon to be posted.
-Temperature of the air affects the overall efficiency. Bubble early or late when it is hot out. Or bubble indoors and keep it cool.
-NEVER overfill the work bag, worst move ever. 3/4 full or less.
-The goal is to perform the spinning agitation at as cold of a temperature as possible. Start with ice in the machine, fill the bag with layers of ice/trim, zip and double knot, more ice. Now add water, but only about half way up. Next, turn the machine on, then slowly add more water until the contents barely begin to spin. You can help the bag find it's home in the ice/water mixture and the machine does the rest.
-Don't be afraid to take the screw out that holds the spinning disk in place. Clean down there once and a while.
TO LOAD THE MACHINE:
-I load the machine with 20 lbs of ice to begin.
-Then I place the work bag on top of that.
-In the work bag goes the trim and ice.
-Layered ice/trim/ice. I like to run about half and half, and would love to hear what you guys do for this step.
-Fill the work bag 3/4 or less. And about half full if using dry trim, as it will expand when rehydrated.
-Double knot the bag closed, or more, worst mess ever if it opens.
-Add more ice, on top and the sides of the work bag.
-Do not fill the machine too miuch or the separation will not be efficient. Leave at least 6 inches at the top.
-Sometimes I let it sit at this point, if the trim is not frozen.
-Then add water, not enough to see it, that is the trick. You will have enough water just before you see it Rize up through the ice.
-Let it soak, just a little if wet/frozen trim. 20+ minutes for dry trim.
-Agitate 20-30 minutes, depends on many factors. I usually just watch an episode of the Simpsons and call it good.
-Drain... see: Draining the Machine post tba
To allow my wet hash to dry:
1) I lay it out as-is overnight, sometimes 24 hours if it is cold out.
2) I grate it to a sand texture with my micro-plane, used ONLY for this purpose. Consider this a disposable tool that needs to be replaced if you are a big hash maker. They can't be sharpened like knives/scissors.
3) I lay this wet sandy bubble hash out on a baking sheet used ONLY for this purpose. I use a non-stick, so no metal for the next step.
4) I let it slowly dry, covered with a silk screen, and occasionally 'cut' it up with a card to let it dry from all sides.
5) As soon as it is dry it goes into my hash curing jar.
Originally Posted by RPsmoke420 View Post
Do you dry and cure while the hash is separated? Do you press your hash after the cure? How long of a cure? Or do you prefer unpressed? Just curious. Also a little confused... after you remove hash from the bags... you place the glob on the drying screen... is that how you leave it over night? Or do you break it up first? I immidiately begin breaking the hash down into sand-like texture out of fear of water/mold/funk.
Great questions.
I dry the blob as-is overnight, mold/mildew won't grow that fast on bubble that is exposed. By the next day the blob has completely changed texture, and at this point I can already judge the overall qualities of the hash. I can judge the purity by color, which is related to my separation process. I can also judge how melty the hash will be when cured, which mostly depends on strain an if you did a wet or dry trim and separation. By the next day this oily mass doesn't want to crumble, it has melted into a solid. This allows me to really grate the hash into a powder (because it won't crumble), which ensures 100% mold/mildew free bubble hash... and frankly the hashes get the best colors from this drying method.
My blackberry hash picts show both drying methods together. The brown candy is simply broken up by hand, the gold powder was grated, then combined to make this image. That was my secret, but now it is everyones
Now I do 15 to 30 minutes of "soft" setting agitation. I used to do an hour. Fresh trim gets agitated slightly longer than the dry.
Some popular full melt varieties are sour d, blackberry kush, og, blue dream.
Updates include:
using more bags: 220 (work), 220, 190, 160, 120, 73, 45
using no ice in the work bag (for machines)
using all RO water
using (chlorine free) paper towels instead of cloth to wick out the water after collection
33 degrees F
Hash does not need curing to be hash, that is only for old school contaminated hash. Pure extracts can be smoked about 24 hours after being made, although they continue to cure over a couple weeks. After about 6 months the potency actually goes down as THC is converted to CBN.
1. After scooping your hash out of your bag and putting it on your screen do you not press any of the water out at all? Just leave it for 12-24 hours?
CORRECT
2. What's the point of the silk screen over the top of the drying pan, just to keep unwanted things like dust and hair out?
CORRECT
3. When you say at last it goes into your curing jar does that mean you cure it similar to herb? IE fill your jar up 7/8's full and burp 1-2 times a day as needed? Or just putting it in a container waiting for it's time to be smoked?
CORRECT, But I don't burp. I fill the jars all the way full and leave them closed.
Stick it in your pocket for a bit.. pull it and let cool. POOF. taffy
the pocket cure. 100 F is a very safe temperature for cannabis resins. You won't drive off or alter flavor at such a low temp.
and IMO, pressing hash isn't a bad thing, just let it cure in powdered form first, and press it by hand, using only the heat of your hands.... prevents oxidation and probably is better in the long term IMO.
hey Matt i made some hash today using dry ice, don't know if you like the method, personally with my cheap set of bubble bags, i got really nice quality using the 73 micron, and then finishing with the 120 bag....u like???
Pocket cure = putting it in a jar in your pocket while you work for a day, the body heat will melt it together and make it easily dabbable
With fresh frozen it goes from the trim table to the freezer tray (exposed to air in the freezer during this stage) for 2-3 hours till flash frozen, then into the ziploc for longer storage or to free up space for the next tower o' fresh to flash
SenorBrownWater
Well-Known Member
also thanks matt i have dabbed some of your ice wax from ccc
this thread was fucking great!
i loved the shit about skunk man and the canny cup....
you have done so much to push mmj and iwc forward...
going to make better hash this season!
thanks matt
RISE UP!
this thread was fucking great!
i loved the shit about skunk man and the canny cup....
you have done so much to push mmj and iwc forward...
going to make better hash this season!
thanks matt
RISE UP!
dirtysouthgenetics
Active Member
changing my whole method.....cant wait to have more trim...
CollieMan1
Member
[video=youtube_share;-ZDo_2kkN2U]http://youtu.be/-ZDo_2kkN2U[/video]
Torchless and cordless
Torchless and cordless
reppinhigh22
Active Member
do you make your ice wax with straight buds or with sugar leaf? has to be buds to be that good right? help me step my game up
reppinhigh22
Active Member
lol I just watched this. I wanted to ask you a question but remembered you prefer them here.
