ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize

420built240

Active Member
Title pretty much explains it. No tricks, no heating, no pressing, just agitated, collected, dried, and smoked.
I am sorry if you get this question a lot, But I am 24 pages in today; and I cant find an answer.

My first time doing this I used 2 buckets with no holes.

I used my 220bag by itself with the Ice, Water and Cannabis inside. After chilling the mixture, I began to agitate for a very very long time by hand. I then lifted my 220bag leaving behind hash water in the bucket.

I then bring a brand new clean bucket.
I pour my hash water into my new bucket with only 1 bubble bag the first one. 190microns.
I then repeat the process alternating buckets, but always using one bag at a time. stopping at 25microns.

I then collect all my bubble hash and let sit on a non sticky surface.

2 or 3 hours later, I find my self cutting pieces with a razor blade. Did I do something wrong? I get a fantastic yield. But I am not getting the consistency. Is it my crappy genetics?

Thank you for all you do, And anyone please chime in for some info.

Thanks!
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
I am sorry if you get this question a lot, But I am 24 pages in today; and I cant find an answer.

My first time doing this I used 2 buckets with no holes.

I used my 220bag by itself with the Ice, Water and Cannabis inside. After chilling the mixture, I began to agitate for a very very long time by hand. I then lifted my 220bag leaving behind hash water in the bucket.

I then bring a brand new clean bucket.
I pour my hash water into my new bucket with only 1 bubble bag the first one. 190microns.
I then repeat the process alternating buckets, but always using one bag at a time. stopping at 25microns.

I then collect all my bubble hash and let sit on a non sticky surface.

2 or 3 hours later, I find my self cutting pieces with a razor blade. Did I do something wrong? I get a fantastic yield. But I am not getting the consistency. Is it my crappy genetics?

Thank you for all you do, And anyone please chime in for some info.

Thanks!
I use a microplane to achieve the ice wax texture, grating the puck. Details must be in this thread somewhere.
 

BA142

Well-Known Member
Is it possible to make ice water wax without a machine? Can you get the same results using 5 gallon buckets and screened bags only? I'm on a budget. Thanks for sharing your knowledge?
It's very possible....I never use a machine and I get full melt in my 90 and 73 micron bags with just a big spoon. The machine is theoretically better, but you can make a fine product with just ice, a big spoon, and your bags.
 

poplars

Well-Known Member
It's very possible....I never use a machine and I get full melt in my 90 and 73 micron bags with just a big spoon. The machine is theoretically better, but you can make a fine product with just ice, a big spoon, and your bags.

I bet the spoon would yeild more. but I find the machine to be so nice and easy and fun haha.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
And this is why I <3 full melt sooooo much... LOL and ENjoy!

[video=youtube;myi2ozA19WE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myi2ozA19WE[/video]
 

audbuds

Member
i jus signed up for this site cuz i wanted to thank you matt for all info on ice wax i recently had to stop usin medicine for personal reason but im still involved wit patients and try and help them wit hash making...i had my own methods that were very close to urs in the makin of bubblle but the info u provided will certainly help me help those who are new to concentrates...ive read alot of this thread and im impressed by the way u willingly give info on how to make some killer hash...knowledge is meant to be shared and not hoarded..ur the man and thanks again
 

poplars

Well-Known Member
many ways to go about the same thing, some just choose to be more nasty than others whilst going about it.


peace.
 

haze2169

Member
hey matt, i live in LA and will be driving up to frisco on thurs the 27th, can you tell me which dispensary has some of your ice water extract in stock? id like to grab a few grams while up there!! thanks
 
I finally achieved a 95% melt and I'm stoked. I've read that you make your own ice. Whats your opinion on ice cube size and can you recommend a good tray? Thanks for sharing your knowledge I appreciate it.
 
I got all my trays (like 60) at the dollar store. Basic ice cube shape. It's more about ice density and ice water quality than the ice shape. Fill trays with RO water and deep freeze until ready to use
 

Kalyx

Active Member
Dank you:

1. Matt for the concentrate education
2. Dollar store for the ice trays on the cheap
3. People who make high quality extraction bags
4. The sentiment to lessen the hate and increase the love in hashmaking and in all aspects of the medical cannabis scene.

This said I do not think competition is necessarily a bad thing, so long as it is good natured and with the intent of increasing the quality of the medicinal offerings to the patient community. In my state there is no competition (only 23 licensed producers for 9,000 plus patients).

Straight up calling people out is the only way that some people will get the important message being handed down here. Do it right and DO NOT taint or in any way degrade the medicinal resins in the process of concentrating them!
 

UGGEB420

Active Member
wow thats all i can say wow
This post might get me in trouble, might fuck up my career. But I am here to spread the truth

Sam the Skunkman is a moderator on ICmag, the largest and most heavily moderated canna forum out there. IC has a ridiculous list of rules that basically say "if they don't pay IC you can't mention their name here.". That is a rule and it is enforced. This list of off-limits topics is huge and includes: dispensaries, high times, reeferman, subcool, tga, kyle kushman, nevil, david watson*, and many more. 'Matt Rize' is banned at IC for linking to my blog, such crap. But I rule debate over there, and administration knows I use Thomkal Vwalaa.

IC is not for Americans but some are there anyways, they hate CA the most.

Sam left here (CA) in the 70s after the only seed bizank at the time here (Cultivators Choice or Sacred Seeds can't remember) was busted. He managed to get 5 lbs of those seeds to amdam and sell them to nevil with the help of ed rosenthal. There are many theories about the details. Many think Sam snitched up to get out of the hot seat, took to opportunity to snag the inventory, and came up big on the bust. This founded the modern amsterdam seed scene, he brought them haze and so much more. It is the single most historic move and is still not detailed. Ed won't talk about it, I asked. Sam has one story, Nevil another, and there are wild criminal accusations on both sides. It's a heated topic.

Sam is loudest authority on all things cannabis. We debate many topics including proper nomenclature (is it called hash or resin?) and much more including politics, the cannabinoids, safe medicine, and all concentrate topics. Sam claims to have invented bubble hash, and is mad he didn't get credit. He gets mad I call it bubble hash, lol. So I wonder... how is this guy the world authority when I read every book on cannabis and don't know his name...

*David Watson and Robert C Clarke dominate the cannabis literature. And you can talk about RCC on IC mag, but not David Watson... Sam Skunkman is David Watson. Joe Petri pulbished this in his book and started a whole drama, which I find fascinating. This David=Sam was revealed somewhat recently and has caused Sam/David some grief. So I don't like to make a big deal about it. But considering David's status in the cannabis world, and Sam's lack of disclosure on IC with regards to promoting David's work... well I think the cat is out of the bag.

David Watson of Hortapharm, aka ‘Magic’ Ed Selezny aka Sam Skunkman is the man behind Sativex. He is the only one allowed to do commercial cannabis in the world and works with top scientists to make Sativex and plant derived pharma-cannabinoids. I'm not really that sure of everything he is involved in and don't really want to go into detail because I don't know what all to believe.

Sam is pro 19 because it means he can sell sativex here, and form centralized commerical pot farms to put us all out of business. He claims this is good because commercial medicine will be cheaper and safer. I think it will be of lesser quality, barely trimmed, and therefore cheaper. And growing anything commercially is not the safest path. Small organic farms working with labs like Steep Hill is ideal imo.

Take it all with a grain of salt. Sam is not a snitch from what I can tell.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/3-daily-news/5599-marcos-apology.html

What was apologized for, sorry for bad formatting. This is pretty much garbage should be taken with much skepticism.
 
I mean really, there's a difference between educating and talking shit. but I'm sure you don't care to know the difference...

the fact is, well made BHO is a fine product, though I don't consider it as artful as making ice water hash, a fine product is a fine product, period.
Serriously?.. Are you educated?.... Butane bonds to the cannabis molecules in a way similar to brake cleaner!! Once these molecules are bonded they are bonded FOR LIFE!!! No ammount of purging or waxing or refinining it to budder or amberglass will seperate these chemical bonds!!!! think about it!! Do you know the definition of crack ? Isnt it just coke with an extra sodium bicorbanate molecule attached?... A new drug 10x more addictive with a way NEW high!! Now think about your first dab.. that BHO WAX hit...How did you feel?.. Forehead sweating, heart racing/palputating.... Very similar if not identical to a crack high!!! Kush hash shouldnt make you feel like youve just smoked Vortex IMO!! "BHO WAX" the NEW "WEED CRACK"!!!! Call matt a hater all day it doesnt matter he's just keepin it 100... know what your talking about before you speak of that which you know nothing of!!! So go ahead keep smoking your earwax that "WAS" anti-cancer cuz now its full of it!!!! Real Talk.... stonerwithacold....kiss-ass ...
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
Serriously?.. Are you educated?.... Butane bonds to the cannabis molecules in a way similar to brake cleaner!! Once these molecules are bonded they are bonded FOR LIFE!!! No ammount of purging or waxing or refinining it to budder or amberglass will seperate these chemical bonds!!!!
I call bullshit on that. VOC testing isn't a state of mind, it's a real thing and you can test for butane.
 

poplars

Well-Known Member
Serriously?.. Are you educated?.... Butane bonds to the cannabis molecules in a way similar to brake cleaner!! Once these molecules are bonded they are bonded FOR LIFE!!! No ammount of purging or waxing or refinining it to budder or amberglass will seperate these chemical bonds!!!! think about it!! Do you know the definition of crack ? Isnt it just coke with an extra sodium bicorbanate molecule attached?... A new drug 10x more addictive with a way NEW high!! Now think about your first dab.. that BHO WAX hit...How did you feel?.. Forehead sweating, heart racing/palputating.... Very similar if not identical to a crack high!!! Kush hash shouldnt make you feel like youve just smoked Vortex IMO!! "BHO WAX" the NEW "WEED CRACK"!!!! Call matt a hater all day it doesnt matter he's just keepin it 100... know what your talking about before you speak of that which you know nothing of!!! So go ahead keep smoking your earwax that "WAS" anti-cancer cuz now its full of it!!!! Real Talk.... stonerwithacold....kiss-ass ...

lets see the lab tests proving this, otherwise this is pretty much useless babble.


and I have NEVER smoked a dab of butane hash oil, I am NOT biased based on effects, I am judging this in an objective scientific way.

if you say butane bonds to these molecules, PROVE IT.
 
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