If Bernie Sanders is for Peace...why did he....

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Rob Roy said:
So you are saying in order to achieve peace there must be an entity that systemically breaks the peace ? (a coercion based government)

I reject that notion that a SYSTEM which arises from coercion...which IS a breaking of the peace, , can also create peace, by the way logic rejects that too.

Society is not a living entity, it is simply the aggregate of all the wonderfully diverse individual people in the world,stop trying to herd people into YOUR Utopia, it's not nice.



No, I don't live in a fantasy land, I live in Sasquatchewan. We don't try to run others lives there, it's quite peaceful.
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No, I'm saying that society stems from necessity and without society, we would not be able to support the population we have

Our system of government didn't arise out of coercion. Thousands of men fought and died for it, voluntarily, during the revolutionary war
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Rob Roy said:
The people that feel they are aggrieved, initially. If they can bring about proof they have been aggrieved, the perpetrator of the crime seems like a logical choice to then restitute any victims he / she has created.

You never read The Market for Liberty though did you...I'm pretty sure I told you many of your questions concerning dispute arbitration in the absence of a coercion based government holding a forcible monopoly on dispute resolution could be answered there. It's a short book, you should consider reading it.

Have a good night.
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How do you ensure impartiality of the arbiter in legal disputes?

"Let the free market decide"

As if bribes don't exist...


You continuously fail to realize we have the systems in place because we tried it your way and it didn't work

I bet if I bribed the "judge" in the trial where I was being accused of stealing your car, and he sided with me, you'd be singing a much different tune..
 
see4

see4

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Rob Roy said:
You gave me a large list. I'll ponder it some.



Can you tell me if you or I have any right to delegate authority we don't have ? I'll guess you can't. (trust me... you can't) I have no right to tell you how to live your life, UNLESS you intervene in mine.

The whole foundation of a coercion based government rests on that flawed assumption though, that people can delegate a right they don't have to be exercised by government ....doesn't it?

My opinion of the military industrial complex is that the world would be better off without it.

In place of a coercion based government I propose peaceful human interactions and viewing people as individuals rather than livestock on tax farms that some people know as nation / states.
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I want unicorns that shit ice cream and large breasted women to tickle my taint while they suck my mushroom cap while I bathe in gold infused bath gels.

Now back to reality.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Padawanbater2 said:
No, I'm saying that society stems from necessity and without society, we would not be able to support the population we have

Our system of government didn't arise out of coercion. Thousands of men fought and died for it, voluntarily, during the revolutionary war
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zerogov.com is where you can read more...

Government is not the glue that holds society together. It is the savage adhesive that bonds subject populations to their rulers through the use of violence and the threat of violence to milk every possible liter of unearned succor to support the imperious warfare/welfare state that is so commonplace today. The genius of the mechanism is the endless parade of useful idiots and willing slaves, especially in all facets of the media, who sing endless serenades to their keepers and controllers. A somewhat Hobbesian version the Stockholm syndrome et large.

While I subscribe to the first and third definitions mentioned above, I do quibble with absence of law asserted in the first variation. Laws aren’t necessarily codified only by government. Countless large and small variations on the laws originated in spontaneous order occur every day. The small business owner knows that cutting corners may afford short-term gains but will lead to long-term losses. The family man knows that the care he affords his children is also a long-term investment.

Honor is a gift a man gives to himself.

You participate in anarchy every day, simply expand the practice and prove to friends and family that a life lived without a yoke is a better life worth living.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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see4 said:
I want unicorns that shit ice cream and large breasted women to tickle my taint while they suck my mushroom cap while I bathe in gold infused bath gels.

Now back to reality.
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I want to abolish human slavery, so we both have our work cut out for us.

If you could train Uncle Buck to shit ice cream, he might become more useful.


I notice nobody has explained why Bernie voted to fund human misery yet.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Padawanbater2 said:
How do you ensure impartiality of the arbiter in legal disputes?

"Let the free market decide"

As if bribes don't exist...


You continuously fail to realize we have the systems in place because we tried it your way and it didn't work

I bet if I bribed the "judge" in the trial where I was being accused of stealing your car, and he sided with me, you'd be singing a much different tune..
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Feedback is very effective to the continuation of a free market business. Perhaps you've heard of e-bay ? Amazon ?
Credit reporting ?

How would you ensure that government agents can never be bribed? Can that happen when most have a measure of immunity and don't have any incentive to provide good service, since they get paid anyway?

Also, it's interesting that your version of how things ought to be ( a coercion based system) can have flaws built into it systemically, but any suggestions I make in order to satisfy you must be able to eliminate any possibility of error. Why ?
 
see4

see4

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Rob Roy said:
I want to abolish human slavery, so we both have our work cut out for us.
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Your interpretation of the word slavery is both obtuse and offensive.

Rob Roy said:
If you could train Uncle Buck to shit ice cream, he might become more useful.
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You in to that sort of thing? Interesting...

Rob Roy said:
I notice nobody has explained why Bernie voted to fund human misery yet.
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How about you direct that question toward your Republican comrades? I'm sure desert dude will do an amazing job of enlightening us why [certain] politicians want to increase military spending.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Rob Roy said:
Feedback is very effective to the continuation of a free market business. Perhaps you've heard of e-bay ? Amazon ?
Credit reporting ?

How would you ensure that government agents can never be bribed? Can that happen when most have a measure of immunity and don't have any incentive to provide good service, since they get paid anyway?

Also, it's interesting that your version of how things ought to be ( a coercion based system) can have flaws built into it systemically, but any suggestions I make in order to satisfy you must be able to eliminate any possibility of error. Why ?
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You can't ensure gov. agents or the bullshit voted arbiters in your system can't be bribed. THAT'S THE FUCKIN' POINT. My system has a clear result of accountability and consequence, your system doesn't as nobody can be held accountable for anything or appeal any decisions.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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see4 said:
Your interpretation of the word slavery is both obtuse and offensive.



You in to that sort of thing? Interesting...



How about you direct that question toward your Republican comrades? I'm sure desert dude will do an amazing job of enlightening us why [certain] politicians want to increase military spending.
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Your interpretation of freedom being protected by an institution which assumes automatic control over you with or without your consent is irrational and illogical.

Slavery is a matter of degrees, some people of course are enslaved more abusively than others, but that doesn't change the fact people can NEVER be free if they are subjects of a coercion based entity without their individual consent. You can't deny that, in fact it is impossible to present a coherent argument to the contrary.

No, I'm not into that type of thing, but I do like ice cream, just not from a Unicorns ass.

I don't think it is up to me to explain how a a small, but coercion based government would operate or speak for others on that topic.

I think Desert Dude grasps some liberty concepts better than many here though, but again I'm not responsible for explaining his beliefs, that's not my business, it's his..


So, why DID peace loving Bernie (snicker) vote to continue funding the bloated military budget and to kill people ? Do you think he should get a nobel peace prize for that ?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Padawanbater2 said:
You can't ensure gov. agents or the bullshit voted arbiters in your system can't be bribed. THAT'S THE FUCKIN' POINT. My system has a clear result of accountability and consequence, your system doesn't as nobody can be held accountable for anything or appeal any decisions.
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I hope I can recall this post of yours, it is ripe for abuse.

I'm going to get me some ice cream now, but maybe I'll be back in day or three to correct your erroneous assumptions in the post above.
 
AllynIndoorFarms

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Rob Roy said:
So, why DID peace loving Bernie (snicker) vote to continue funding the bloated military budget and to kill people ? Do you think he should get a nobel peace prize for that ?
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Not sure which vote(s) you are speaking of specifically, but I'd imagine if it were in the past year, it was to secure a more "mainstream" voter demographic. It comes down to every politician's dilemma: popularity/success vs ethics. If it was before that timeframe, then it would seem that he acted in contrast to his current platform for reasons I do not know.
 
Not GOP

Not GOP

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Rob Roy said:
So, why DID peace loving Bernie (snicker) vote to continue funding the bloated military budget and to kill people ? Do you think he should get a nobel peace prize for that ?
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If Obama gets a piece prize for sneezing, then yes. Bernie should get one as well
 
OddBall1st

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Rob Roy said:
Your interpretation of freedom being protected by an institution which assumes automatic control over you with or without your consent is irrational and illogical.

Slavery is a matter of degrees, some people of course are enslaved more abusively than others, but that doesn't change the fact people can NEVER be free if they are subjects of a coercion based entity without their individual consent. You can't deny that, in fact it is impossible to present a coherent argument to the contrary.

No, I'm not into that type of thing, but I do like ice cream, just not from a Unicorns ass.

I don't think it is up to me to explain how a a small, but coercion based government would operate or speak for others on that topic.

I think Desert Dude grasps some liberty concepts better than many here though, but again I'm not responsible for explaining his beliefs, that's not my business, it's his..


So, why DID peace loving Bernie (snicker) vote to continue funding the bloated military budget and to kill people ? Do you think he should get a nobel peace prize for that ?
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Maybe he has stocks in Raytheon or Boeing.....
 
see4

see4

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Rob Roy said:
Your interpretation of freedom being protected by an institution which assumes automatic control over you with or without your consent is irrational and illogical.

Slavery is a matter of degrees, some people of course are enslaved more abusively than others, but that doesn't change the fact people can NEVER be free if they are subjects of a coercion based entity without their individual consent. You can't deny that, in fact it is impossible to present a coherent argument to the contrary.

No, I'm not into that type of thing, but I do like ice cream, just not from a Unicorns ass.

I don't think it is up to me to explain how a a small, but coercion based government would operate or speak for others on that topic.

I think Desert Dude grasps some liberty concepts better than many here though, but again I'm not responsible for explaining his beliefs, that's not my business, it's his..


So, why DID peace loving Bernie (snicker) vote to continue funding the bloated military budget and to kill people ? Do you think he should get a nobel peace prize for that ?
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Unicorn shit tastes like ice cream, and I don't particularly like Bernie Sanders, he's not my candidate. And remember, Bernie is the representative of the people, technically his constituents are voting for a bloated military, just as the rest of the nation who has voted Republican, has decided.

You familiar with John Locke? How about the term 'state of nature'? You should go read up on those topics.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Not GOP said:
lol. It's when you separate a country into collective groups and pieces. Creating a divisive and sometimes hostile environment for citizens for the purpose of distracting attention away from elected representatives, specifically the president.
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Who you gonna blame when Obama's gone?
 
The_Herban_Legend

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Not GOP said:
lol. It's when you separate a country into collective groups and pieces. Creating a divisive and sometimes hostile environment for citizens for the purpose of distracting attention away from elected representatives, specifically the president.
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Awe, I see. Was Bush a recipient of this "piece prize"?
 
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