Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
I could care less how it effects him. No matter how you try and spin it, it's still a major step towards ending prohibition. I can't believe people would try to deny everyone that over some petty nonsense.
If the November bill gets passed, what does that mean for us growers?
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Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
Yep. Always has been. The money is why it was made illegal in the first place and if it becomes legal it'll be about the money then too. All we can hope for is that despite all of that we still get something positive. Ending prohibition is a big positive. If that makes some people rich, fine.
I don't understand how people can be such haters that they'd deny everyone a potential end to prohibition just because someone might get rich in the process. That's sick.
deprave
New Member
All I have to say is that if your voting 'NO' you are essentially prolonging the drug war worldwide, peoples lives are being destroyed and people (and their pets) are being killed every day. People are being enslaved and marked as criminals for life. Go ahead an be the snobby pricks that a lot of you californians are and keep caring about only yourselves and living in your little california bubble that so many of you are convinced is the greatest place on earth. Let some other state like oregon or washington take the first leap at ending prohibition and go down in history as the ones who failed - that is blood on your hands california. This is much bigger than you and your little personel problems.
Warrentheape
Member
"Snobby pricks " ??? Well then post on the oregon or washington threads then.
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
Well said. I don't think it's fair to stereotype all Californians like that, but I can see why you'd get that impression. There is a lot of hating going on throughout California over Richard Lee. Some very respectable people are even doing it. People are so concerned with him that they aren't seeing the big picture.
deprave
New Member
How so? The bill does not effect medical growers and patients....
chewystuart
Member
THE DRUG WAR IS NOT GOING TO END IF THEY LEGALIZE MARIJUANA! there is alway going to be a black market because after its legal and people see that the prices aren't goin down but actually goin up, they'll get their product elsewhere (the streets don't charge sales tax). The government is in it for the money. When the government bought out Chevrolet did they lower the prices to make there cars more affordable? Politicians aren't thinking about making marijuana more affordable, they're trying to figure out to pay for their own mistakes without having to go into their pockets. I pay taxes. Every time i get my paid check the state of california taxes me, every time i buy something to eat or drink i get taxed. when i register my car i get taxed. when i pay my cell phone bill, i get taxed. when i pay any bill, for that matter i get taxed. gas tax goes up every year in the name of building more roads. While at the same time the government sells our roads to private companies that put up toll booths and red light cameras so that they can get more money out us in the name of "safety". You guys that feel that it should be legal for rec. use need to realize that the government does not represent US as residents and OUR needs. Although that is their job, that is not how they have been running things. so i guess i am being selfish by being against this bill. I come out the pocket enough as it is and can't afford additional costs. So if you are for this bill and vote to legalize then YOU pay the weed tax that applies. I'll get mine off the black market were they don't tax me.
MAc DRe
Well-Known Member
Well said. I agree one hundred percent with chewystuart, that is one of the best post i have read on this thread. IMO good post peace out
Danger Russ
Member
I'm voting yes on this.
Med. users are not going to be affected which is a big plus.
People with large illegal grows are't going to be affected, it will still be illegal.
People selling black market weed, will still sell black market weed. ( probably alot more of it )
I doubt the po-po will be able to tell the difference between taxed weed and untaxed weed if you get caught with an ounce or less in public.
If you own a motorhome, or 5th wheel your made in the shade. they are considered a private residence, so you can transport as much as you like.
basicly I don't like alot of things about this law. It's far from perfect, But I can live with it. It's a vast improvement over our current situation.
I think it will be alot easier to ease regulation after this passes, Then it was to end prohibition in this state.
We will all have a chance to prove we are responsible citizens, and not a bunch of low life, criminal @ssholes. If we can do that then easing the regs. shouldn't be too difficult.
I think we are stuck with the taxes no matter what. I just can't imangine the gov. not taxing weed. It's easy money for them.
I'm proud of my hobby and would like to share it with other people openly. I would also really like not being treated like a criminal for it.
Just my oppinion
Med. users are not going to be affected which is a big plus.
People with large illegal grows are't going to be affected, it will still be illegal.
People selling black market weed, will still sell black market weed. ( probably alot more of it )
I doubt the po-po will be able to tell the difference between taxed weed and untaxed weed if you get caught with an ounce or less in public.
If you own a motorhome, or 5th wheel your made in the shade. they are considered a private residence, so you can transport as much as you like.
basicly I don't like alot of things about this law. It's far from perfect, But I can live with it. It's a vast improvement over our current situation.
I think it will be alot easier to ease regulation after this passes, Then it was to end prohibition in this state.
We will all have a chance to prove we are responsible citizens, and not a bunch of low life, criminal @ssholes. If we can do that then easing the regs. shouldn't be too difficult.
I think we are stuck with the taxes no matter what. I just can't imangine the gov. not taxing weed. It's easy money for them.
I'm proud of my hobby and would like to share it with other people openly. I would also really like not being treated like a criminal for it.
Just my oppinion
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
It'd be a damn good start.
History says otherwise. You don't see any Al Capone's running around any more. I know a few people still make moonshine, but that's nothing compared to how it was during prohibition. It would effectively end the black market.
What? No one is suggesting a government take over of the cannabis industry. And yes, if it were legal to grow and sell cannabis legally it would be cheaper. The larger the scale, the cheaper to produce. But putting that aside, between the cost to produce cannabis and retail sales there is about 400-600% markup due to risk. No other legal product that I know of has that kind of markup.
And this is an opportunity to make government represent our needs on this issue and you want to throw it away why? I don't see how continuing to send people to jail over cannabis solves any problems, yet you seem to be on the same side as the police here. Interesting...
A tax is cheaper than a lawyer. It's not just selfish, it's short sighted. What if you get busted? Even if you have a medical rec and every thing you have is within legal limits, some asshole cop could bust you. Even if you get off in the end, you still pay the lawyer. It happens all the time. My lawyer has pictures all over his wall of people who've gotten busted for legal medical amounts. Even though they end up free, they still pay thousands of dollars.
Even with a tax, legalization will bring lower prices. It'll probably be a wash in the end.
And if you are against legalization then you are siding with the cops against your own kind. You are supporting prohibition and people going to jail over cannabis. The tax is worth ending all that.
Pumert
Well-Known Member
that was the previous legalization bill that was presented last year which did not receive enough signatures to be on the ballot
cindysid
Well-Known Member
It is legal to grow tomatoes, but they are still expensive to buy at the store. If you believe in the value of pot as a healing agent, and you know better than to believe all the negative hype our fearless leaders have been putting out for years, then why would you not want it legalized? Do you think that it's right for people to be jailed and fined for using it? I know that you might be worried about losing revenue, but if you produce a quality product, I don't think it would ever be a problem. No one wants to smoke chemically laced bud, and no one would buy it. The taxes that it would bring in would help our communities. People would choose pot over dangerous prescription drugs. To me, it sounds incredibly selfish to advise voting against legalization. I think that it would make the world a much better place!
Moldy
Well-Known Member
You Cali folks have a chance to stick it to the man. I thought that should qualify as pretty good reason to vote yes? Ya all still have the best god damn MMJ law in the country so what the fluck? Nothing changes there. If Cali's Prop 19 fails to legalize this year then another state will be first. It's only fitting that Cali is first after all they were the pioneers that opened everything up for many of us.
Just think... a f-cking cop won't be able to bust down your door just because he smelled herb. That is a beautiful thing.
Just think... a f-cking cop won't be able to bust down your door just because he smelled herb. That is a beautiful thing.
actually, the cop WILL bust down your door, simply to make sure you are within the "LIMITS".
it's like pinning a bulls eye on our chest. better hope you don't have an ounce and a gram.
Danger Russ
Member
You may want to re-read prop 19, it says you can keep as much as you can grow in a 5x5 space in your private residence, as long as you plan to smoke it.
That means an ounce, 50 lbs or whatever.
The one ounce rule, is on your person in a public place.
And come on, the cops always knock before they kick down my door.
If this passes I'll just open it for them, instead of trying to jump out a window and run away.
But I have agree with you a good carbon filter to remove odors is a must, if not just to keep the cops away but also thieves.
Heres the section, its paragraph (a) line iii
Section 3: Lawful Activities
Article 5 of Chapter 5 of Division 10 of the Health and Safety Code, commencing with section 11300 is added to read:
Section 11300: Personal Regulation and Controls
(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it is lawful and shall not be a public offense under California law for any person 21 years of age or older to:
(i) Personally possess, process, share, or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis, solely for that individual’s personal consumption, and not for sale.
(ii) Cultivate, on private property by the owner, lawful occupant, or other lawful resident or guest of the private property owner or lawful occupant, cannabis plants for personal consumption only, in an area of not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence or, in the absence of any residence, the parcel. Cultivation on leased or rented property may be subject to approval from the owner of the property. Provided that, nothing in this section shall permit unlawful or unlicensed cultivation of cannabis on any public lands.
(iii) Possess on the premises where grown the living and harvested plants and results of any harvest and processing of plants lawfully cultivated pursuant to section 11300(a)(ii), for personal consumption.
(iv) Possess objects, items, tools, equipment, products and materials associated with activities permitted under this subsection.
(b) “Personal consumption” shall include but is not limited to possession and consumption, in any form, of cannabis in a residence or other non-public place, and shall include licensed premises open to the public authorized to permit on-premises consumption of cannabis by a local government pursuant to section 11301.
(c) “Personal consumption” shall not include, and nothing in this Act shall permit cannabis:
(i) possession for sale regardless of amount, except by a person who is licensed or permitted to do so under the terms of an ordinance adopted pursuant to section 11301;
(ii) consumption in public or in a public place;
(iii) consumption by the operator of any vehicle, boat or aircraft while it is being operated, or that impairs the operator;
(iv) smoking cannabis in any space while minors are present.
chewystuart
Member
why do people continue to think that police are gonna stop arresting people for pot? there are still limitions within the bill. Its far from an all out pot free for all. Of course at first it will start like that, and only a dumbass would think that they're not gonna be just as many pot heads in jail if not more. Marijuana DUI(cause thats a guarantee), over the limit possessions(cause thats a guarantee). If its okay to grow your own then the black market will still exist but its still gonna be illegal to sell pot(example:you need a permit to sell tobacco and alcohol) so that means that police are still gonna be locking people up for sells and if you have more than a zip, possession over the legal limit for the purpose of sales(felony). Smoking marijuana in presence of a minor(cause those guys aren't everwhere *sarcasticly) Consumption in a public place(thats everywhere) Everyone thinks that because some of us are against this bill we must be against legalizing marijuana, period. But the truth is I to believe that its should be legal, AND IT IS!!!!!! I just believe that laws regarding marijuana usage should stay in the hands of doctors and the people. And not completely regulated by politicians and our government cause we can all agree that they don't handle things that well these days, particularly, our tax dollars. "The government isn't taking over the marijuana industry" you say. your blind, this is the first step in the process. The feds have full control over the tobacco industry and they make themselve known every year by raising the cost and add more strict regulations regarding tobacco laws to the point were people go to mexico to reup on the tobacco. Hstory shows that the same will happen regarding marijuana laws and when its in the hands of the government(the feds) we will no longer have a say so.
Danger Russ
Member
Back to you 
You'd have to spread an ounce pretty thin to measure it in sq. ft
section (d) Definitions
line (iv)
paragraph (b)
I'm sure you know but you read it like this.
like it's a single paragraph
(d) Definitions
For purposes of this Act: (iv) In determining whether an amount of cannabis is or is not in excess of the amounts permitted by this Act, the following shall apply:
(b) living and harvested cannabis plants shall be assessed by square footage, not by weight in determining the amounts set forth in section 11300(a);
I know it's creating a big gray area and alot of confusion. But basicly
they are treating you and your home or growing area as two seperate things.
So outside your home it's 1 oz. Inside it's as much a you can grow for personal
consumption.
Makes for some intersting court hearings, Where someone gets caught with more than an oz in their house. His defense is (it's whats left from a personal grow and he got rid of all his equipment / and the weed was what was left from it.)
And the cops tetifiy that he wasn't growing weed at his house.
Ought to be f'ing Funny as hell. Talk about turning the tables.
(d) Definitions
For purposes of this Act:
(i) Marijuana and cannabis are interchangeable terms that mean all parts of the plant Genus Cannabis, whether growing or not; the resin extracted from any part of the plant; concentrated cannabis; edible products containing same; and every active compound, manufacture, derivative, or preparation of the plant, or resin.
(ii) One ounce means 28.5 grams.
(iii) For purposes of section 11300(a)(ii) cannabis plant means all parts of a living Cannabis plant.
(iv) In determining whether an amount of cannabis is or is not in excess of the amounts permitted by this Act, the following shall apply:
(a) only the active amount of the cannabis in an edible cannabis product shall be included;
(b) living and harvested cannabis plants shall be assessed by square footage, not by weight in determining the amounts set forth in section 11300(a);
(c) in a criminal proceeding a person accused of violating a limitation in this Act shall have the right to an affirmative defense that the cannabis was reasonably related to his or her personal consumption.
(v) residence means a dwelling or structure, whether permanent or temporary, on private or public property, intended for occupation by a person or persons for residential purposes, and includes that portion of any structure intended for both commercial and residential purposes.
(vi) local government means a city, county, or city and county.
(vii) licensed premises is any commercial business, facility, building, land or area that has a license, permit or is otherwise authorized to cultivate, process, transport, sell, or permit on-premises consumption, of cannabis pursuant to any ordinance or regulation adopted by a local government pursuant to section 11301, or any subsequently enacted state statute or regulation.
You'd have to spread an ounce pretty thin to measure it in sq. ft
section (d) Definitions
line (iv)
paragraph (b)
I'm sure you know but you read it like this.
like it's a single paragraph
(d) Definitions
For purposes of this Act: (iv) In determining whether an amount of cannabis is or is not in excess of the amounts permitted by this Act, the following shall apply:
(b) living and harvested cannabis plants shall be assessed by square footage, not by weight in determining the amounts set forth in section 11300(a);
I know it's creating a big gray area and alot of confusion. But basicly
they are treating you and your home or growing area as two seperate things.
So outside your home it's 1 oz. Inside it's as much a you can grow for personal
consumption.
Makes for some intersting court hearings, Where someone gets caught with more than an oz in their house. His defense is (it's whats left from a personal grow and he got rid of all his equipment / and the weed was what was left from it.)
And the cops tetifiy that he wasn't growing weed at his house.
Ought to be f'ing Funny as hell. Talk about turning the tables.
(d) Definitions
For purposes of this Act:
(i) Marijuana and cannabis are interchangeable terms that mean all parts of the plant Genus Cannabis, whether growing or not; the resin extracted from any part of the plant; concentrated cannabis; edible products containing same; and every active compound, manufacture, derivative, or preparation of the plant, or resin.
(ii) One ounce means 28.5 grams.
(iii) For purposes of section 11300(a)(ii) cannabis plant means all parts of a living Cannabis plant.
(iv) In determining whether an amount of cannabis is or is not in excess of the amounts permitted by this Act, the following shall apply:
(a) only the active amount of the cannabis in an edible cannabis product shall be included;
(b) living and harvested cannabis plants shall be assessed by square footage, not by weight in determining the amounts set forth in section 11300(a);
(c) in a criminal proceeding a person accused of violating a limitation in this Act shall have the right to an affirmative defense that the cannabis was reasonably related to his or her personal consumption.
(v) residence means a dwelling or structure, whether permanent or temporary, on private or public property, intended for occupation by a person or persons for residential purposes, and includes that portion of any structure intended for both commercial and residential purposes.
(vi) local government means a city, county, or city and county.
(vii) licensed premises is any commercial business, facility, building, land or area that has a license, permit or is otherwise authorized to cultivate, process, transport, sell, or permit on-premises consumption, of cannabis pursuant to any ordinance or regulation adopted by a local government pursuant to section 11301, or any subsequently enacted state statute or regulation.