If the November bill gets passed, what does that mean for us growers?

fdd2blk said:

hello, indica calling.


incase you missed it, ...

you said no one would be taxing anyone.

i posted info stating otherwise.




it's that simple.

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they will try, and other cities will try too, and this will happen prop 19 or not
but will these taxes hold up in court? maybe not, some of this on the sketchy side of the law
i believe the rationale was house with grows will require more police and other emergency services
the principle may be allowed(but that's far from certain), but the rates they have pulled out of their asses will be closely scrutinized

fdd2blk said:

hello, indica calling.


in case you missed it, ...

you said no one would be taxing anyone.

i posted info stating otherwise.




it's that simple.

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So if prop 19 passes are you going to call the authorities and inform them you're growing so you can be taxed?

If prop 19 passes, and my friend wants to throw five on it...they could throw me and him in jail. It'll be called "resale" and we'll both be fined, jailed or both. Give caesar what belongs to Caesar, sure. But this plant belongs to US. This proposition is a mechanism of control. Look at it this way... It's called the control & tax cannabis act. This implies that it is not controlled, and not taxed. Both are false. Any Dispensary that I know of is already getting taxed. There are already regulations in place that limit grow space, sale and transportation, carrying limit etc... All of this is available for anyone OVER 18 (not 21) who decides they would like to use marijuana medicinally. What purpose then, does this bill serve? To limit our right as adults, and producers of cannabis. Under this law, any transaction involving marijuana will have to be taxed to be legal. Bullshit. The new controls enacted would make thing that I do now JAILABLE offenses. Don't sell dope to anyone between 18-21. 6 months in county. Don't smoke anywhere near minors either. 3-7 years. I am in complete agreement with anyone who asserts that this bill is giving away our authority.

I keep hearing people say, "we gotta start somewhere". Right, we started with SB 420 and prop 215. This is a step backward. I digress, it will be great for the state's coffers.

Dan Kone said:

So if prop 19 passes are you going to call the authorities and inform them you're growing so you can be taxed?

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if it's is determined that i must, then yes. i have a family to think about.

i apologize if you can't accept this. it's just how i am.

B2GROW said:

If prop 19 passes, and my friend wants to throw five on it...they could throw me and him in jail. It'll be called "resale" and we'll both be fined, jailed or both.

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Wait, what? Is your friend going to snitch on you or are you going to turn yourself in. I don't understand how you'd go to jail for throwing down on a sack.

Give caesar what belongs to Caesar, sure. But this plant belongs to US.

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Huh? I'm not sure I get this metaphor. Is the government Caesar and you're stash is Alexandria?

This proposition is a mechanism of control. Look at it this way... It's called the control & tax cannabis act. This implies that it is not controlled, and not taxed.

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It's called that because they did polling and control and tax cannabis gave them the best chance of it passing. When called legalization of marijuana, it gets less than 50% of the vote. It's just marketing. No need for a tinfoil hat to protect you from the black helicopters.

There are already regulations in place that limit grow space, sale and transportation, carrying limit etc... All of this is available for anyone OVER 18 (not 21) who decides they would like to use marijuana medicinally.

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Prop 19 has nothing to do with medical cannabis. Prop 19 is about recreational use.

What purpose then, does this bill serve? To limit our right as adults, and producers of cannabis. Under this law, any transaction involving marijuana will have to be taxed to be legal. Bullshit. The new controls enacted would make thing that I do now JAILABLE offenses

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You sell pot at schools or what?

Don't sell dope to anyone between 18-21. 6 months in county.

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Only if they can prove you knew they were under 21.

Don't smoke anywhere near minors either. 3-7 years.

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That's false. 3-7 years is if you get busted for selling to someone under 14. No where in prop 19 does it say that if you smoke in front of a minor you can get 7 years.

I am in complete agreement with anyone who asserts that this bill is giving away our authority.

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What authority?

Dan Kone said:

Wait, what? Is your friend going to snitch on you or are you going to turn yourself in. I don't understand how you'd go to jail for throwing down on a sack.

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Section 11301: Commercial Regulations and Controls
(b) retail sale of not more than one ounce per transaction, in licensed premises, to persons 21 years or older, for personal consumption and not for resale;

whether or not I'd get caught is a separate issue entirely. This is from the section dealing with commercial regulations...that would be the sale of marijuana. It clearly states that any lawful sale of marijuana must take place at some sort of licensed store front.

Dan Kone said:

Huh? I'm not sure I get this metaphor. Is the government Caesar and you're stash is Alexandria?

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It has to do with taxes. It's over your head. Why are you so ready to put the weight of sacramento's poor budgeting on your back?

Dan Kone said:

It's called that because they did polling and control and tax cannabis gave them the best chance of it passing. When called legalization of marijuana, it gets less than 50% of the vote. It's just marketing. No need for a tinfoil hat to protect you from the black helicopters.

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You have missed my point entirely. Cities and counties already tax cannabis. Most of the cities around where I live have marijuana related offenses at the bottom of their priority list. What would I gain from this law? The medical model has demonstrated that it works. Why not just expand the rights that patients have to the general population? I don't see a necessity to create so many new regulations.

Dan Kone said:

Prop 19 has nothing to do with medical cannabis. Prop 19 is about recreational use.

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Refer to my previous statement. Expand the medical model.

Dan Kone said:

You sell pot at schools or what?

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Yeah, actually...when I was in high school. Again, you're missing my point.

Dan Kone said:

Only if they can prove you knew they were under 21.

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No, it would be illegal to sell to them in the first place without a license. I doubt that would hold water in court. If a kid asks you for a beer, should you check his license first? yes, according to the law. Ignorance does not exempt you from the law.

Dan Kone said:

That's false. 3-7 years is if you get busted for selling to someone under 14. No where in prop 19 does it say that if you smoke in front of a minor you can get 7 years.

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No, 6 months 18-21. 3,4, or 5 years for 14+ and 3,5 or 7 for 14 and below. My mistake about smoking in front of minors. There is no language that I've found in 19 that addresses punishment for that. Only that it is...FORBIDDEN.

Dan Kone said:

What authority?

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My authority to party, bra

http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/New-Rasmussen-Poll-Showing-75-Americans-Support-Use-Medical-Marijuana-Adults-If-Prescribed-1300402.htm
well at a 52% approval rating for the legalization of the recreational use of marijuana, there's a pretty high chance that this bill is going to pass

willyjones7 said:

http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/New-Rasmussen-Poll-Showing-75-Americans-Support-Use-Medical-Marijuana-Adults-If-Prescribed-1300402.htm
well at a 52% approval rating for the legalization of the recreational use of marijuana, there's a pretty high chance that this bill is going to pass

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the polls do seem to show a 'probably pass', but this is going to be a tough slog
the anti forces will be bringing in the heavy guns soon, if they haven't already
but the thought of real legalization is almost to much to grasp for me
it's been a 'forever war', you just can't believe it can end
and for the prop 19 haters and it's 'not real legalization', that's fine, for a lot of us it is

growone said:

the polls do seem to show a 'probably pass', but this is going to be a tough slog
the anti forces will be bringing in the heavy guns soon, if they haven't already
but the thought of real legalization is almost to much to grasp for me
it's been a 'forever war', you just can't believe it can end
and for the prop 19 haters and it's 'not real legalization', that's fine, for a lot of us it is

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Funny how people that don't even live anywhere near California feel the need to comment on something they know nothing about. First of all if you lived in California you would know that it is legal in California, not completely legal, but legal. Even if this bill passes, MMJ will still not be completely legal, not even more legal. I could understand if this bill made MMJ more legal, but it doesn't. All this bill does is make marijuana more profittable to the state. The state that already taxes the hell out of us. If you think this bill will help prevent people from going to jail over mmj, you would be wrong again. I know medical marijuana patients that followed the law that are out on bail with lawyers fighting cultivation charges, if this bill passed they'll need lawyers. So what is the purpose of passing this bill?

by HEAVY GUNS do you mean TRUTH, LOGIC, AND COMMONSENSE!!!!!
and how does this bill make it legal in NY state anyways? sounds like wishful thinking.

chewystuart said:

Funny how people that don't even live anywhere near California feel the need to comment on something they know nothing about. First of all if you lived in California you would know that it is legal in California, not completely legal, but legal. Even if this bill passes, MMJ will still not be completely legal, not even more legal. I could understand if this bill made MMJ more legal, but it doesn't. All this bill does is make marijuana more profittable to the state. The state that already taxes the hell out of us. If you think this bill will help prevent people from going to jail over mmj, you would be wrong again. I know medical marijuana patients that followed the law that are out on bail with lawyers fighting cultivation charges, if this bill passed they'll need lawyers. So what is the purpose of passing this bill?

by HEAVY GUNS do you mean TRUTH, LOGIC, AND COMMONSENSE!!!!!
and how does this bill make it legal in NY state anyways? sounds like wishful thinking.

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don't like the proposition? then vote no, it's your own call

since you see this as a California only deal, then you're not looking at the bigger picture
the passage of prop 19 is a blow to federal law, it continues the process started under 215
it affects NY because we're quite close to passing MMJ, pass 19 and see what happens in NY this year
prop 19 passage will be a bomb going off, NY MMJ will seem like nothing, barely noticeable, politicians tend to prefer to vote for controversial legislation when there are few negative consequences

vote it down and that is taken as a message of weakness
'California has come to its senses, let's get 215 under control'
215 looks pretty much impossible to get rid of, but what about the city that putting up a tax proposition on 19 grows(if it passes) and MMJ grows?
count on more of the same, will it work? maybe not, but 19 doubles the problems for anti MMJ forces who haven't given up

my parents used to get PISSED whenever i would say "well stevie's parents let him do it."

fdd2blk said:

my parents used to get PISSED whenever i would say "well stevie's parents let him do it."

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california has been doing the heavy lifting, no question
but who's been getting the rewards? not like you haven't been rewarded for your efforts - best weed and not a bad industry

growone said:

don't like the proposition? then vote no, it's your own call

since you see this as a California only deal, then you're not looking at the bigger picture
the passage of prop 19 is a blow to federal law, it continues the process started under 215
it affects NY because we're quite close to passing MMJ, pass 19 and see what happens in NY this year
prop 19 passage will be a bomb going off, NY MMJ will seem like nothing, barely noticeable, politicians tend to prefer to vote for controversial legislation when there are few negative consequences

vote it down and that is taken as a message of weakness
'California has come to its senses, let's get 215 under control'
215 looks pretty much impossible to get rid of, but what about the city that putting up a tax proposition on 19 grows(if it passes) and MMJ grows?
count on more of the same, will it work? maybe not, but 19 doubles the problems for anti MMJ forces who haven't given up

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Why are you hating on progress? you said it " the process started under 215 affects NY" so sb 215 has already helped NY state get to the point of almost allowing MMJ, thats a good thng. SB 215 is completely different from prop 19 though. SB 215 only worked as well as it has because it states that marijuana is medicinal. Medicine is a private matter that involves a patient and a doctor. Prop 19 opens the doors for big business and politicians with corporate interests in what was once just a medicine under sb215 in cali. Especially in a state like NY with wallstreet and all the big banks that make money off of money and legally steal from the people as it been proven, its would probably be best to leave the medicine private between a patient and a doctor. So hopefully NY state and other states start to recognize marijuana as a useful medicine, but banking on prop 19 to lead the way is a long shot. Cause if a law like that passes its gonna end up not benefitting the people. Even if it passed a judge is still gonna comb thru the bill with a fine tooth comb and make amendments he feels necessary and unless the judge grows, thats gonna be the first amendment to the bill. Just cause prop 19 passes doesn't mean it can't be modified to benefit a selected few. Example, prop. 8 was passed in 2008 and two years laters a judge decide to overruled deciding against the law after the people spoke with their votes. If we leave it in the governments hands their not gonna have our best interests at heart.

chewystuart said:

Why are you hating on progress? you said it " the process started under 215 affects NY" so sb 215 has already helped NY state get to the point of almost allowing MMJ, thats a good thng. SB 215 is completely different from prop 19 though. SB 215 only worked as well as it has because it states that marijuana is medicinal. Medicine is a private matter that involves a patient and a doctor. Prop 19 opens the doors for big business and politicians with corporate interests in what was once just a medicine under sb215 in cali. Especially in a state like NY with wallstreet and all the big banks that make money off of money and legally steal from the people as it been proven, its would probably be best to leave the medicine private between a patient and a doctor. So hopefully NY state and other states start to recognize marijuana as a useful medicine, but banking on prop 19 to lead the way is a long shot. Cause if a law like that passes its gonna end up not benefitting the people. Even if it passed a judge is still gonna comb thru the bill with a fine tooth comb and make amendments he feels necessary and unless the judge grows, thats gonna be the first amendment to the bill. Just cause prop 19 passes doesn't mean it can't be modified to benefit a selected few. Example, prop. 8 was passed in 2008 and two years laters a judge decide to overruled deciding against the law after the people spoke with their votes. If we leave it in the governments hands their not gonna have our best interests at heart.

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no question, 215 has been a home run, MJ has become defacto legal(in cali) in many respects
but what about work place protections? you can still be fired for your piss testing positive weeks after smoking
19 gives(or attempts to give) employment protection - that is something you don't have now
it is my understanding that a judge cannot modify a proposition, but they may interpret it in an unexpected way
corporate weed, it's possible, but that's coming anyways - the huge mj factories in oakland? that's prop 215 all the way, they will happen without 19

it angers me to no end of the earth that ANY medical patient would not support this.

f**k monopolistic medical growers, cheap guise and NO ONE is buying your BULLSHIT 'doctor patient i'm sick' garbage.

farmboss said:

it angers me to no end of the earth that ANY medical patient would not support this.

f**k monopolistic medical growers, cheap guise and NO ONE is buying your BULLSHIT 'doctor patient i'm sick' garbage.

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wow, compassion much?

some people just want to get wasted.

farmboss said:

it angers me to no end of the earth that ANY medical patient would not support this.

f**k monopolistic medical growers, cheap guise and NO ONE is buying your BULLSHIT 'doctor patient i'm sick' garbage.

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Can anyone tell that is a guy with bad credit and bad judgment. "I'll take it and figure out how to pay for it later, I just wanna get f*ck up now." Ignorance is bliss!!

growone said:

no question, 215 has been a home run, MJ has become defacto legal(in cali) in many respects
but what about work place protections? you can still be fired for your piss testing positive weeks after smoking
19 gives(or attempts to give) employment protection - that is something you don't have now
it is my understanding that a judge cannot modify a proposition, but they may interpret it in an unexpected way
corporate weed, it's possible, but that's coming anyways - the huge mj factories in oakland? that's prop 215 all the way, they will happen without 19

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why would that change, employers still have the right to fire anyone for pretty much any reason. Alcohol is legal but any employer can choose to fire you if they fiind alcohol in your system, same goes for prescription drugs. If an employer feels that you are a liabilty for any reason they can let you go. Thats not going change with prop 19. And yeah your right Corporate Grows are on their way regardless, but prop 19 just opens the flood gates. And in this world where corporations buy candidates the little guys will drown.

i was busted in ny about 8 months ago for growing.. i was diagnosed with cancer and growing for medical reasons.. 8 months later and the courts still havent sentenced me.. they want me to b" healthy enough" to go to jail.. although i really hope mmj passes soon the damage is done and im now a soonto b felon bc i grew medicine.. effin bullshit oh well cest la vie