If true how will this affect/or not affect the california mmj business

This is the same topic that started the civil war. Legally there is a huge discrepancey...states are to be able to approve their own laws, yet federal law in other readongs trump state law.

Even if it gets COMPLETELY shut down, its not like they were effective for the 40 years of prohibition befor it became medically legal...

This is like ahen a parent tells their adult child they are grounded. All the child has to do is say,"no im not"....they are in many ways powerless

kindfarms420 said:

dude im NOT trying to say weed should be free and that is NOT a realistic thing what i am saying is bullshit is dispensaries selling weed for 400+ dollars an oz when it costs about 400 dollars to produce a pound indoors and less money outdoors.. yes i am a hard working person that does work their ass off keeping up on my grow.. but after being a grower and know what it takes to produce fire i could never charge somebody over 200 dollars and oz no matter what and if your not making enough money selling it for 200 then 1. your greedy or 2. you don't have a big enough grow.. my grow is only 8k in the flower and i pay my bills pay my taxes and have PLENTY of money left over to do whatever i want with. SO REALIZE IM NOT SAYING IT SHOULD BE FREE.. I DO AGREE THAT GROWERS PUT IN HARD WORK AND SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE PAID FOR WHAT WE DO BUT I DONT THINK THAT A DISPENSARY OWNER SHOULD BE JACKING THE PRICE 100% UP FOR WHAT THEY BOUGHT IT FOR.. DISPENSARIES ARE MIDDLE MEN AND WE ALL KNOW MIDDLE MEN JUST WANT THERE MONEY..

YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT YOU KNOW IM RIGHT LOL

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$400/pound is what it costs to grow indoors? You're way off, friend. And if it were true, and you're selling for $3,200/lb (200/oz), then who's the greedy bastard? That's an 800% markup. Maybe do your own math before posting.

collective gardener said:

$400/pound is what it costs to grow indoors? You're way off, friend. And if it were true, and you're selling for $3,200/lb (200/oz), then who's the greedy bastard? That's an 800% markup. Maybe do your own math before posting.

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i have done my math and i should have been more clear on this it costs about 400 after you already have your equipment paid off but to get started and what not yes it costs alot more to produce a pound but when your equipment is paid off 1.veg 2 months that costs about 600 for the 2 months 2. flower for 2 months that costs 2000 for 2 months running 8k. so you have 2600 dollars so far. then tack on 4000$ for rent for those 4 months so your at 6600$ now spend a max of 1000$ on nutrients and soil. 7600$ and if your running 8k you should be yeilding atleast 16 pounds if you know what your doing and know your strains..so if you do the math that equals out to 475 a lb which i said ABOUT 400 so i was 75$ off not way off...also im not greedy especially when i give alot of it to my patients for free

collective gardener said:

$400/pound is what it costs to grow indoors? You're way off, friend. And if it were true, and you're selling for $3,200/lb (200/oz), then who's the greedy bastard? That's an 800% markup. Maybe do your own math before posting.

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i dont want to argue i was just stating thats how much it cost ME to produce

kindfarms420 said:

dude im NOT trying to say weed should be free and that is NOT a realistic thing what i am saying is bullshit is dispensaries selling weed for 400+ dollars an oz when it costs about 400 dollars to produce a pound indoors and less money outdoors.. yes i am a hard working person that does work their ass off keeping up on my grow.. but after being a grower and know what it takes to produce fire i could never charge somebody over 200 dollars and oz no matter what and if your not making enough money selling it for 200 then 1. your greedy or 2. you don't have a big enough grow.. my grow is only 8k in the flower and i pay my bills pay my taxes and have PLENTY of money left over to do whatever i want with. SO REALIZE IM NOT SAYING IT SHOULD BE FREE.. I DO AGREE THAT GROWERS PUT IN HARD WORK AND SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE PAID FOR WHAT WE DO BUT I DONT THINK THAT A DISPENSARY OWNER SHOULD BE JACKING THE PRICE 100% UP FOR WHAT THEY BOUGHT IT FOR.. DISPENSARIES ARE MIDDLE MEN AND WE ALL KNOW MIDDLE MEN JUST WANT THERE MONEY..

YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT YOU KNOW IM RIGHT LOL

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Well if dispensaries buy bud at ~$200 an ounce, how can they sell bud @ $200 an ounce? Dispensaries have extremely high overhead, they can't just sell bud at the price they bought it at or they'd go broke. It's really hard to get a dispensary open and you are risking your freedom to open one. They deserve to get paid, even more important, it's good they get paid. They provide a buffer between the grower and law enforcement. That's a good thing.

There are now so many dispensaries taking in so much money that they have the potential to bring political/legal change. I'm disappointed in them for not doing this yet, but if it becomes legal, they are going to play a big part in that. We'll need that money to achieve legalization.

state law.........supersedes federal law.....that is how MMJ came about.

Dan Kone said:

Well if dispensaries buy bud at ~$200 an ounce, how can they sell bud @ $200 an ounce? Dispensaries have extremely high overhead, they can't just sell bud at the price they bought it at or they'd go broke. It's really hard to get a dispensary open and you are risking your freedom to open one. They deserve to get paid, even more important, it's good they get paid. They provide a buffer between the grower and law enforcement. That's a good thing.

There are now so many dispensaries taking in so much money that they have the potential to bring political/legal change. I'm disappointed in them for not doing this yet, but if it becomes legal, they are going to play a big part in that. We'll need that money to achieve legalization.

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I understand what your saying man and yes the money is good (for the dispensaries willing to "give back" to the medical community) but money can also be bad if in the wrong hands i know for a fact that many are ONLY doing it for income not to help people or help to legalize thats what im saying... also i know of many that pay less than 200 an oz and still charge 400 oz.. ill leave it at this there are GOOD dispensaries and there are BAD dispensaries the bad ones are fucking it up because yes they got money but they wont put it toward legalization... i agree we should have the good ones

kindfarms420 said:

I understand what your saying man and yes the money is good (for the dispensaries willing to "give back" to the medical community) but money can also be bad if in the wrong hands i know for a fact that many are ONLY doing it for income not to help people or help to legalize thats what im saying... also i know of many that pay less than 200 an oz and still charge 400 oz.. ill leave it at this there are GOOD dispensaries and there are BAD dispensaries the bad ones are fucking it up because yes they got money but they wont put it toward legalization... i agree we should have the good ones

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I agree they should pool the money together to help fight for legalization. And it's terrible that they aren't. It's very short sided.

I was just objecting to the idea that cannabis clubs that use marketing or girls in tight clothing to sell bud is hurting mmj. I really don't think it is. I think all that stuff is fair game. Anti cannabis efforts will happen no matter what. There is always going to be oppositions and raids. It's up to us to fight back. Sure, law enforcement may point to these people as justification of why they are busting people, but it's really just a flimsy pretext. They would be busting people no matter what. When Bush was president and medical collectives were extremely limited, they were going in and busting aids patients for smoking. That's what cops do, they bust people. Now that we have all these big baller clubs law enforcement is going after them instead of raiding aids patients. That's a good thing IMO.

It doesn't matter how good we behave. Law enforcement will always want us locked up. So we might as well make the most of it while we can.

when has federal law not trumped state law???

Dan Kone said:

I agree they should pool the money together to help fight for legalization. And it's terrible that they aren't. It's very short sided.

I was just objecting to the idea that cannabis clubs that use marketing or girls in tight clothing to sell bud is hurting mmj. I really don't think it is. I think all that stuff is fair game. Anti cannabis efforts will happen no matter what. There is always going to be oppositions and raids. It's up to us to fight back. Sure, law enforcement may point to these people as justification of why they are busting people, but it's really just a flimsy pretext. They would be busting people no matter what. When Bush was president and medical collectives were extremely limited, they were going in and busting aids patients for smoking. That's what cops do, they bust people. Now that we have all these big baller clubs law enforcement is going after them instead of raiding aids patients. That's a good thing IMO.

It doesn't matter how good we behave. Law enforcement will always want us locked up. So we might as well make the most of it while we can.

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Dan, that "get it while you can" attitude is a slippery slope. You and I usually see things from a similar perspective. We are shaping the future of this industry. If it ends up a shitball business concerned only with profits, it will be our fault. Let's bring an ounce of moralality to this thing of ours. If everyone just tried to do a little good withing the biz, we'd all be better off. To put it in a way that the true capitolist's can understand: we have a chance to shine in the public eye.

collective gardener said:

Dan, that "get it while you can" attitude is a slippery slope. You and I usually see things from a similar perspective. We are shaping the future of this industry. If it ends up a shitball business concerned only with profits, it will be our fault. Let's bring an ounce of moralality to this thing of ours. If everyone just tried to do a little good withing the biz, we'd all be better off. To put it in a way that the true capitolist's can understand: we have a chance to shine in the public eye.

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I totally agree with that. This whole industry does come with certain obligations IMO. But at the same time, money is power. That's undeniable. And the more money, the more protection the whole community has IMO.

you are all highly miss informed, THE UNITED SATES OF AMERICA.

The tittle in its self STATES, that the individual STATES I.E. Virgina, Maryland. UNITED into ONE BODY.

Meaning. All states before the Constitution was created where considered there own country's. The Constitution was created to make a new country called Washington DC, that was CARVED out of 2 states called Virgina and Maryland. (Virgin-Mary, also has a huge penis called the Washington memorial, the Vatican also has the exact same symbols and jurisdiction) for anyone paying attention.
The Constitution is the LEAGLE TREATY that the "FEDERAL GOV" AKA Washington DC is supposed to adhere to. The Fed is not supposed to ENCROACH onto the states because remember they are still considered there own country's. The past 200 years they have been trying to convince you the fed gov has more power then the states. look it up.
Washington DC is a separate body then the country of the states. that's why there are several JURISDICTIONS in place.
All states have there own constitution and normally it states they do not have to comply with any federal "statute". You are simply ketteld sheep because the people who control the body of law control the body of law makers.

here is an example of what im talking about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYYiv0w9Vk0

Be that as it may, federal law still supersedes state law in pretty much every situation.

Dan Kone said:

I was just objecting to the idea that cannabis clubs that use marketing or girls in tight clothing to sell bud is hurting mmj. I really don't think it is. I think all that stuff is fair game.

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Really? You don't think the general public opinion of us matters? You don't think making a mockery of the medical aspect might be against our best interests? You think chicks in thongs are going to help keep middle America convinced this is medicine that folks need access to?

Dan Kone said:

It doesn't matter how good we behave. Law enforcement will always want us locked up. So we might as well make the most of it while we can.

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"Make the most of it while we can."

And that's exactly what got us where we are today. Feds. Congratulations. Funny how they ain't fucking with Colorado.

d.s.m. said:

Really? You don't think the general public opinion of us matters? You don't think making a mockery of the medical aspect might be against our best interests? You think chicks in thongs are going to help keep middle America convinced this is medicine that folks need access to?

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I think the general public doesn't see the chics in thongs. At least not enough for it to make a difference in their opinion of 215. I think people blow this stuff out of proportion. The average person in middle America has no clue what's inside a dispensary. So no, I don't think it makes a difference.

There is always going to be someone who doesn't act right. There will always be some shit cops come up with for why medical marijuana is just drug dealing. They'll always find that picture that makes us look bad. And even if everyone is on their best behavior all the time, then they'll just turn to making shit up. Cops will always be trying to convince people they are doing the right thing when they bust dispensaries. So it doesn't matter. All we can do is keep doing what we are doing. Hopefully get enough money and better organization to the point where we can fight them. That's what it all comes down to for me. If dispensaries want girls in bikinis working behind the counter that doesn't really have an effect on anything IMO.

And that's exactly what got us where we are today. Feds. Congratulations.

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Where we are today is bigger and stronger than ever, even when you consider the busts. Back when for the most part medical marijuana was limited to severely ill people, the feds were raiding aids patients and doing this same shit. That's not likely to change no matter what we do unless we can get enough money behind an organization to change it all. It's not about bikinis, it's about pharmaceutical companies and police. And they'll try and stop us no matter what.

These busts are a national effort and clearly a result of lobbying the whitehouse for a crackdown. This would have happened no matter what as long as there are dispensaries in business. And even if all the dispensaries shut down, they'd start perusing growers more aggressively. This is about money. Medical marijuana cuts into pharmaceutical company profits and law enforcement jobs. That's what it's all about and it's always going to be a fight no matter how well behaved people are.

Funny how they ain't fucking with Colorado.

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They fucked over Montana pretty bad and they weren't doing this stuff. And they are doing the same thing in Colorado. 23 dispensaries in Colorado just got the same threatening letters Cali dispensaries got.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/01/12/federal-crackdown-hits-colorado-dispensaries-near-schools/

Dan Kone said:

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/01/12/federal-crackdown-hits-colorado-dispensaries-near-schools/

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They were all near schools.

NoGutsGrower said:

They were all near schools.

U.S. Attorney John Walsh said 23 dispensaries within 1,000 feet of schools have until Feb. 27 to shut down or face federal penalties, which can include asset seizure or forfeiture of property. The warning letters dated Thursday were being sent to dispensary owners and their landlords.​

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Right across from schools is one thing, 1000 feet is another. That's why those clubs in SF and Marin were shut down. The 1000 feet law. The dispensaries even had the schools advocating for them saying the dispensaries had no effect on them. And in one case the school moved in AFTER the dispensary had been operating for several years. The FEDs didn't care, they shut them down anyways.

money in this industry leads to protection

just like any other subject that has to do with laws
period

FEDS can and will do whatever they, whenever they want...They rule not the state IMO....I personally think people r full of BS when they say they give away there meds, it makes me laugh...Yeah maybe a gram or 2 to test, but not everything that patient needs, unless a wife/ husband real close family...Everyone does it for the money and some do it becuz its what they r really good at and enjoy doing it becuz they r disabled and maybe cant do nothing else..But never just they r just really nice people and wanna grow meds for everyone and not charge them for it and run up a few thousand dollars in the process...JMO