SmokeyMcSmokester
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that could only happen in a "free" country..But good post man...the scenario at the end made me chuckle
if we legalize it, i'll need a job
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i love this. exactly the discussion i'm looking for. i think i would focus on greenhouse growing with supplemental lighting. 1000 watters and the sun. have a sun roof that closes so i can flower mid summer. i could do some things.
"Bud Dr. fdd". lol
"Bud Dr. fdd". lol
Ph03nix and I spend a lot of time discussing the threads we read here. That's the advantage of having a partner that you can talk with, it keeps your brain active...
Here is a hypothetical that formed while we were talking about all the posts here so far, with a focus on the small grower:
The scenario is that cannabis is fully legalised for medicinal use according to its use. For example, lower potency would be sold the same as Panadol. Higher strengths such as used to deal with pain, depression etc, would also be available over the counter. It would also be legal for personal recreational use much the same as alcohol. IOW, if you are over 18, you can walk into a drug store/chemist, clinic, co-op or bottle shop and buy your pot without need for a card or any other 'permit'.
Growers such as FDD can become licenced as a commercial grower, or can become licenced to grow for personal use (unlike tobacco where the laws [I think] still prohibit growing and processing in your back yard).
The commercial licence allows the grower to sell to either Government licenced co-ops, commercial processors who market pre-packaged, strength specific medicinal strains for chemists/drugstores, or to distributors for sale through liquor stores and clubs etc.
Commercial growers can grow as much pot as they want (supply and demand will control this), but must grow specific strains of specific strengths. Growers who produce superior crops with known, stable potency (read FDD) will command premium prices from buyers in the pharmaceutical sector. Growers of lower quality weed will sell to the recreational market where limits will be placed on the potency of the pot that can be sold, much the same as alcohol and tobacco. A further option for commercial growers will be to open their own 'boutique' outlet (like ilkhan's vintners) and sell their best quality products to the general public in the same way as a winery. This would be covered under a special licence.
The personal use licence will allow people to have thirty seedlings (up to budding stage) and five mature plants (in full bud) per season. It will be illegal to trade, sell or otherwise profit from these plants. You can share your harvested bud with friends, the same as home brewed beer, but not sell it. If you get busted breaking the rules, you lose your licence FOREVER and cop big fines. You will then have to buy your weed the same as anyone else. THERE WILL BE NO JAIL TERMS FOR THESE OFFENCES. However, the fines will be steep and you will forever lose the opportunity to have a growers licence.
Much the same as home brew, there will be some who grow as a hobby and to save money. Others will go big like Budweiser or Fosters and grow acres and acres of mids for the recreational market. Others will concentrate on the medicinal trade, while others will be happy to run their own outlet.
With full legalisation come taxes of course. We're not economists, so we couldn't think of what sort of a rate. Probably based on a potency and quantity rate. That way small high potency boutique growers wouldn't be paying higher taxes in comparison to large scale commercial mid-strength enterprises. Higher potency crops would attract higher taxes. However, if the grower was producing small amounts (coffee shop amounts), it would be reasonable. This would deter large scale high potency crops other than for the high end medicinal market. Government concessions would be available to medicinal patients to offset the tax component.
...I'll continue this later because we are really late and have to go out very soon else we'll miss the bus... (sorry for 'jacking the thread FDD)...
we've still got to think about prices, say between $100 and $300 an ounce retail including taxes etc. depending on potency. Top end boutique pot could even sell for more than it is today. Consider the value of a fine bottle of single malt scotch or a barrel proof bottle of Wild Turkey. Think of the price of some fine wines.
Anyway, the point is... imagine yourself going to a big flashy cocktail party and discussing your job with some old lady dripping in diamonds:
"So, Mr Fdd, what do you do for a living?"
"Well, I grow top grade medicinal canabis for Canafine (a fictional pharmaceutical company)".
"Oh, how lovely. I know your products well. I'm completely off Valium now. And is that going well for you, dear?"
"Well yes. I have 100 000 acres of the finest quality bud, almost ready to harvest, and I just bought a small plot to plant out with a little experiment of my own. It seems that this new pot we're growing can completely eliminate any type of cancer cell known. Oh, I'll have to show you my new yacht. We took delivery last week... *blah, blah, blah*
That'd be a pretty cool job, I think.
Gryphonn
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Fully light tight when the roof is closed. Fully climate controlled...ah dreams...i love this. exactly the discussion i'm looking for. i think i would focus on greenhouse growing with supplemental lighting. 1000 watters and the sun. have a sun roof that closes so i can flower mid summer. i could do some things.
"Bud Dr. fdd". lol
I hope the day comes though...I'd nearly move countries for fully legal pot.
gogrow
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i love this. exactly the discussion i'm looking for. i think i would focus on greenhouse growing with supplemental lighting. 1000 watters and the sun. have a sun roof that closes so i can flower mid summer. i could do some things.
"Bud Dr. fdd". lol
that is how all of our grow rooms should look
Cannabolic
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makin bud legal would prolly help out the economy but i'd personally be out of a job. but the thaught of heading down to cop some pot (stop and shop for weed) and pickin up a ounce of kush sounds great to me. imagine just goin into the store and theres like veriety packs of weed like thoes little bags of chips!!! i mean shit that would be the tightest thing ever, but i hope im in a much better financial situation when that happens cuz honestly i'd rather have it decriminalized cuz actually it aint so bad where i live. theres no jail time really for possesion unless you got like the amount thats like intent to sell which i think is like more than a bag of weed. and if u get regular possesion its a 50 dollar fine, which the cop never writes up because the cop winds up smokin your weed anyway. i swear you dont kno how many times i got a so called summons for court and id see that same patrol car at the docks smokin bud. and then when i go to court they say " oh im sorry your name isnt on the list" its fucked up but where i live there isnt any jail time unless you you got alot of weight on u.
Batman407
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who cares if you wont be making money selling pot, get off your ass and get a job. i know id rather have all the weed i can handle, legal, no worries of it getting taken. if it was legal i could grow as much as i wanted and not be confined to a small small closet grow with the possiblity of getting caught.
NewGrowth
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I think he was talking to the wall . . . you know he is a lil . . . wellyou talking to me?
mane2008
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A basher, I knew I spoke too soon.
Da Kine 420
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hell, i know some people who know some people with some friends if ya know what im sayin. haha, i could unload a lbs in a couple of days.
and 100,000 acres is a shit ton of farm land. i mean a shit ton. 10,000 acres of pot would be HUGE!
and 100,000 acres is a shit ton of farm land. i mean a shit ton. 10,000 acres of pot would be HUGE!
This reminds me of a local election. My city was voting on allowing the sale of "take home" alcohol inside the city. Of course if we voted to allow it, it would bring tons of tax revenue into the city so all the sensible people were for the measure. On the other hand you had mostly church groups spreading crap like "if you pass this everyone instantly becomes a no good drunk" and "your kids will be able to buy booze". Someone followed the money trail on the "no" side and the guy who gave the most money to them actually owned a beer store like 25 feet outside the city limits. He was a Muslim but had absolutely no problems selling TONS of booze to rednecks.
edux10
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Imagine all the money lost by the Big Pharma though. Instead of going to the store to ge some IUBPROPHEN you just smoke a bowl and its all good. You mind is instantly off of that. Or what about all the people that are getting pain meds. The dr is going to loose money because the patinets are treating themselves.
The truckdrivers that transport the pills to the pharmacy will loose their jobs. The people working at wallgreens will be laidoff. People won't drive to the drugstore every few weeks and they won't pick up that 12 pack while they are there. They gas compaines and the beer compaines are now loosing and you know how they love money and will do anything to keep it. Let us not forget cigs. Everyone likes cigerittes. If everyone was smoking reefer all day that was free, im sure they wouldn't spend that much cash on cigs anymore.
There are so many people that would actually loose a lot of money if weed were legal. And these aren't your adverage stoner type. These are people that are all about money and power beyond what you can even imagine. It is very deep as you can probably start to see now.
It sucks how it is for the rest of the US, but Cali has it pretty damn good. Maybe if everyone just smokes more herb we will be all good.
The truckdrivers that transport the pills to the pharmacy will loose their jobs. The people working at wallgreens will be laidoff. People won't drive to the drugstore every few weeks and they won't pick up that 12 pack while they are there. They gas compaines and the beer compaines are now loosing and you know how they love money and will do anything to keep it. Let us not forget cigs. Everyone likes cigerittes. If everyone was smoking reefer all day that was free, im sure they wouldn't spend that much cash on cigs anymore.
There are so many people that would actually loose a lot of money if weed were legal. And these aren't your adverage stoner type. These are people that are all about money and power beyond what you can even imagine. It is very deep as you can probably start to see now.
It sucks how it is for the rest of the US, but Cali has it pretty damn good. Maybe if everyone just smokes more herb we will be all good.
maineiac
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the only thing wrong with your philosophy is that not everybody is going to start using marijuana to treat health problems especially in the short of things. think off all the people who are against smoking, they will still be buying ibuprofen, and ibuprofen definitely will not go out of business because not many people will be using marijuana to treat headaches in my personal opinion. i can see in the future smoking marijuana will be more excepted as a medical thing, because kids will grow up using it for that and their kids will do it because of their parents and so forth. people will still be buying cigarettes and beer, maybe not as much but it won't lower that much. and there is no doubt in my mind that at least the major tobacco companies will start planting marijuana crops as soon as it is legalized to make money, beer companies might do that too.
As far as how it is sold, it will probably be sold like cigars and alcohol. you will have your cheaper convenience store brands like Budweiser, white owl, miller, swisher, etc.. But you will also have your specialty stores that carry the finer selections, probably local growths and what not.
I can see marijuana easily being legalized in at least a few states within the next 10-25 years, especially with all the decriminalization laws passing recently. Throughout the whole U.S.i would say 50+ years, whether that happens we will just have to sit back, light up our favorite illegal plant and wait for it to happen, not to mention vote for the laws!
Seems a little selfish and hypocritical of people who grow it legally for medical or what not, to say they dont want it legal. I mean as far as pot smoking goes, the more the merrier right? people and bud. So I just see it as best for everyone. Or well the common smoker/small time grower.
ToastedFox
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i wonder what types of "new" jobs would open up. i worked around the wine industry for several years and we are very much like them. i can only imagine some of the new farming equipment they'd invent.
You should see some of the crazy designs I have for mass production pot farming.
Honestly if you played your cards right you could up the scale of business if it became legal.