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What's the price ranges for the party? May determine one big ass panel, or several smaller ones.. C'mon Rrog, you know.. DIY that shit

LOL!!! No price range, just wondering what unit might theoretically replace a 1000Watter!

I, personally, think it'd take ~600w of good led quality and coverage to stand up to a 1k. Spread it out right, good diodes with good angle. Ironically, that's what the AT600 is, and what 3-4 SGS' would be, both pretty close in price. BUT. I've never ran a 1k, SO! Im waiting to hear from hyroot, Coacoa (cmh), T, and who ever else im forgetting who has exp with 1k's to speak up.

Id personally be all over the 600' for a straight replacement, but I do really like the SGS'. easily the quietest/coolest running panel I've had so far.

That's a great comparison, man. The AT600.

I'm more sold on a smaller top panel, maybe 1/2 that to 300W, then supplementing with maybe 50W side panels. Really soak the plant, put the 50W (6" x 6") panels on separate little arms so you can place wherever.

Limits the ol' inverse square law and all that

The Dawg said:

Let Me Rephase Brother 2 In Your 3x3 Will Be Just Fine.Theirs Really No Need For Side Lighting.I Got 18 Inches Of Awsome Canopy Penetration.

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THANKS DAWG! Crystal clear! I have a 3x3x6.5 flower tent w a 600w, a 2x4x5 veg tent w a 400 w hps...and a clone area on top of the veg tent w a 150w cfl. I do a perpetual grow and harvest 1 plant per week. Through trial and error I've become rather proficient at growing some sweet buds. I have barney's van kush, pineapple chuck, dinafem super silver, nirvana aurora n ak48...and Kannabia's faraona (which is the most beautiful plant ive ever grown...just harvested it today!!!!!). Nice but my electric is high and I battled heat issues all summer...which led to a spider mite issue i am currently managing. What a ballbuster. Dr Doom, Azamax...ugh!!!!

I figure if i replace the 600w with 2 area51, replace the 400w w 1 area51 and some side cfls for veg I will save in the long run w electric and eliminate the heat problems without losing yield. Sounds logical...we shall see. My concerns are the veg tent height (5ft) given the distance an led needs fro plant (around 18 inches) AND that it's a $1500 investment. It's so great to bounce my ideas off of other "hobbyists". lol

thanks to you and to all!!!

I'm interested in germinating and starting clones with the rapid rooter plastic shoe box bin method. At first i was going to hang a cfl bulb, but since im saving watts with LED Panels everywhere else, I would like to use LED for the shoe box. Would anyone care to point me in the right direction as to a specific bulb or bulbs or tube? The box dims should be around 24" x 14" IIRC

In a 3x3 I could go w ONE bigger led instead of two area51 leds. But I have read that cross coverage is better. Ive read about lots of lamps...and from the comments here, their site and a few vids on youtube, area51 seem reputable.

Need assistance with LED setups.

Ideally Looking to setup a 10x10 tent with 4x1000 HPS equivilant LED panels. Budget 5k, would prefer to be in the 3k range though, but from what i've seen, i'm not sure if that's likely.

We carry a full line of NEW 3rd Generation 3W LED Grow Light shipped directly from the manufacturer. Why pay the exorbitant prices charged by online websites? These LED lights are the same product sourced at a quality manufacturer in China that are sold by online retailers at significant savings, cutting out the middle man and shipped directly to you. These products have the same 3 year manufacturer's warranty. These are NOT knockoffs, these are the original Diamond Series and the real deal.

Please email or call with your questions 203-962-5081 AdvancedLEDgrow dot com.

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• Wide-screen for LEDs to emit more effective light
• Produce less heat, 10 ºC-12 ºC temperature rise
• Two quality switches control different colors, vegging & flowering
• Hang kits included
• 50,000 hours life time
• Three-Year factory warranty
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Core Coverage
DS 100- 150W 46x12x7cm $219 vs $295 at advancedledlights.com....2 ft x 2.5 ft
DS 200- 300W 48x21x7cm $359 vs $545..............................................2.5 ft x 3 ft
DS 300- 450W 50x30x7cm $569 vs $795..............................................3 ft x 3 ft
DS 400- 600W 89x21x7cm $649 vs $995..............................................2.5 ft x 4 ft
DS 600- 900W 89x30x7cm $839 vs $1395............................................3 ft x 4 ft
DS 800-1200W 91x37.5x7cm $1289 vs $1995......................................3.5 ft x 4.5 ft

Please email us back for offering prices, dimensions, details, etc.....your friends at AdvancedLEDgrow. Guys offering this for 220$ I am seriously considering doing a dr120 cab all led and a dr 120 hid kooltube grow off for the folks here just for shits and giggles im not on either side of the light debate just a curious farmer wanting to get the most for my efforts in my gardens. I'd appreciate your insight on this guys gals and others lol. thankyou ahead of time for your input.

Maybe a couple hans panels instead? yeah I may just jump in with both feet fuck it. area 51 is sweet but 600 bills for one light, I can get two from these guys for same price.

forgotten your password said:

I'm interested in germinating and starting clones with the rapid rooter plastic shoe box bin method. At first i was going to hang a cfl bulb, but since im saving watts with LED Panels everywhere else, I would like to use LED for the shoe box. Would anyone care to point me in the right direction as to a specific bulb or bulbs or tube? The box dims should be around 24" x 14" IIRC

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http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cree-9-5-Watt-60W-A19-Soft-White-2700K-Dimmable-LED-Light-Bulb-6-Pack-E-BA19-08027OMF-12DE26-2U100/204084366#.UoORSnDZitM

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Philips-10-5-Watt-60-Watt-A19-Bright-White-3000K-Household-LED-Light-Bulb-4-Pack-429381/203667330#.UoORjHDZitM

dukeofprunes said:

In a 3x3 I could go w ONE bigger led instead of two area51 leds. But I have read that cross coverage is better. Ive read about lots of lamps...and from the comments here, their site and a few vids on youtube, area51 seem reputable.

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Definitely TWO................many pros over one larger panel.

fuzzy123 said:

Need assistance with LED setups.

Ideally Looking to setup a 10x10 tent with 4x1000 HPS equivilant LED panels. Budget 5k, would prefer to be in the 3k range though, but from what i've seen, i'm not sure if that's likely.

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10x10 with 3k budget is impossible with leds atm..............5k may cover your area with chinese panels.............which I don't recommend

you may want to look at these http://growershouse.com/neosol-300w-led-plant-grow-light cover a large area due to fixture size and it's a commercial panel(no fans/waterproof) made in the usa....... don't know how they perform, still zero grows with them

VTMi'kmaq said:

We carry a full line of NEW 3rd Generation 3W LED Grow Light shipped directly from the manufacturer. Why pay the exorbitant prices charged by online websites? These LED lights are the same product sourced at a quality manufacturer in China that are sold by online retailers at significant savings, cutting out the middle man and shipped directly to you. These products have the same 3 year manufacturer's warranty. These are NOT knockoffs, these are the original Diamond Series and the real deal.

Please email or call with your questions 203-962-5081 AdvancedLEDgrow dot com.

The Third Generation of LED Grow Light - 11 Band Diamond Series with 3W Epistar and Bridgelux, 11-bands- 760nm, 740nm, 720nm, 660nm, 630nm, 615nm, 480nm, 460nm, 440nm, 415nm, 380nm

• Save 70-80% in electric bills over HPS and MH lights.
• Wide-screen for LEDs to emit more effective light
• Produce less heat, 10 ºC-12 ºC temperature rise
• Two quality switches control different colors, vegging & flowering
• Hang kits included
• 50,000 hours life time
• Three-Year factory warranty
• FREE Fedex Shipping International Economy with Tracking
• Your payment secure with Paypal

Models: 3G Diamond Series Lens - OUR PRICES ARE 35% LOWER THAN SAME LED LIGHTS SOLD BY OTHERS!

Core Coverage
DS 100- 150W 46x12x7cm $219 vs $295 at advancedledlights.com....2 ft x 2.5 ft
DS 200- 300W 48x21x7cm $359 vs $545..............................................2.5 ft x 3 ft
DS 300- 450W 50x30x7cm $569 vs $795..............................................3 ft x 3 ft
DS 400- 600W 89x21x7cm $649 vs $995..............................................2.5 ft x 4 ft
DS 600- 900W 89x30x7cm $839 vs $1395............................................3 ft x 4 ft
DS 800-1200W 91x37.5x7cm $1289 vs $1995......................................3.5 ft x 4.5 ft

Please email us back for offering prices, dimensions, details, etc.....your friends at AdvancedLEDgrow. Guys offering this for 220$ I am seriously considering doing a dr120 cab all led and a dr 120 hid kooltube grow off for the folks here just for shits and giggles im not on either side of the light debate just a curious farmer wanting to get the most for my efforts in my gardens. I'd appreciate your insight on this guys gals and others lol. thankyou ahead of time for your input.

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I would stay away from eshine^^^way better panels to spend your hard-earned money on .

growevolution.com 5 year warranty? too good to be true?

dukeofprunes said:

THANKS DAWG! Crystal clear! I have a 3x3x6.5 flower tent w a 600w, a 2x4x5 veg tent w a 400 w hps...and a clone area on top of the veg tent w a 150w cfl. I do a perpetual grow and harvest 1 plant per week. Through trial and error I've become rather proficient at growing some sweet buds. I have barney's van kush, pineapple chuck, dinafem super silver, nirvana aurora n ak48...and Kannabia's faraona (which is the most beautiful plant ive ever grown...just harvested it today!!!!!). Nice but my electric is high and I battled heat issues all summer...which led to a spider mite issue i am currently managing. What a ballbuster. Dr Doom, Azamax...ugh!!!!

I figure if i replace the 600w with 2 area51, replace the 400w w 1 area51 and some side cfls for veg I will save in the long run w electric and eliminate the heat problems without losing yield. Sounds logical...we shall see. My concerns are the veg tent height (5ft) given the distance an led needs fro plant (around 18 inches) AND that it's a $1500 investment. It's so great to bounce my ideas off of other "hobbyists". lol

thanks to you and to all!!!

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Good Afternoon Brother Duke.Your 5ft Tall Tent Would Do Just Fine For Veg.Im Currently In Week 4 Of Veg And My Lady Including The WaterFarm And Light Height Is A Little Over 3 1/2 Foot From The Floor.

VTMi'kmaq said:

Maybe a couple hans panels instead? yeah I may just jump in with both feet fuck it. area 51 is sweet but 600 bills for one light, I can get two from these guys for same price.

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Brother VTMi'kmaq The Website's Price Is 535.00.However If You Or Anybody Else Contacts The Guys At Area-51 I Know They Will Give You A Better Deal.The Advanced Led Is A Ok Light But it Cant Compare To The Area-51.Just Remeber You Get What Ya Pay For

fuzzy123 said:

Need assistance with LED setups.

Ideally Looking to setup a 10x10 tent with 4x1000 HPS equivilant LED panels. Budget 5k, would prefer to be in the 3k range though, but from what i've seen, i'm not sure if that's likely.

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I don't know what other people here would think about this, but the Inda-GRO Pro-420-PAR covers a 4' x 4' area, so 4 of those would cover an 8' x 8' area. The product description says it replaces a 1000 watt MH. 4 of those would add up to about $3200. Each consumes 420 watts.

The Inda-GRO isn't an LED, but an Electrode-less Fluorescent Discharge Lamp (EFDL). It's cool, bright, 95% efficient and lasts longer than LEDs (10 year warranty!). Not at all like a normal fluorescent.

Now if you want to add the flower-enhancing pontoons to every light, that would raise the total cost to about $6,000. The pontoons attach to the light and contain LEDs to add reds at the right times of day. But if you plan to only use part of your tent for flowering, you won't need to add the expensive pontoons to every light. For example, if you only use half your tent for flowering, you only need 2 pontoons. That would make the total cost around $4600.

I've read good things about the Inda-GRO. Here's an article in Big Buds Magazine that gives it a good review:

http://bigbudsmag.com/grow/gear/article/inda-gro-induction-lighting-systems-september-2011

daveroller said:

I don't know what other people here would think about this, but the Inda-GRO Pro-420-PAR covers a 4' x 4' area, so 4 of those would cover an 8' x 8' area. The product description says it replaces a 1000 watt MH. 4 of those would add up to about $3200. Each consumes 420 watts.

The Inda-GRO isn't an LED, but an Electrode-less Fluorescent Discharge Lamp (EFDL). It's cool, bright, 95% efficient and lasts longer than LEDs (10 year warranty!). Not at all like a normal fluorescent.

Now if you want to add the flower-enhancing pontoons to every light, that would raise the total cost to about $6,000. The pontoons attach to the light and contain LEDs to add reds at the right times of day. But if you plan to only use part of your tent for flowering, you won't need to add the expensive pontoons to every light. For example, if you only use half your tent for flowering, you only need 2 pontoons. That would make the total cost around $4600.

I've read good things about the Inda-GRO. Here's an article in Big Buds Magazine that gives it a good review:

http://bigbudsmag.com/grow/gear/article/inda-gro-induction-lighting-systems-september-2011

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That's quite an investment considering the alternatives. Two 1,000 watt HID's on light movers would cover the same area for a fraction of the cost up front, and you know you're going to get grade A dank production. As cool as a large scale garden would be using LED's or even EFDL's its just not reasonable to spend that kind of cash to set it up.

Let's say 600 LED/Induction watts= 1,000 HID watts. Combined with the HID rule of 50 watts/sq ft, it's easy to figure out how many LED/Induction watts are needed for a given space. Just multiply your square feet by 50, then multiply that number by 0.6. So an 8'x8' space, at 64 square feet (x 50), would require 3,200 watts, or 1,920 LED watts.

This might be total horse sh!t, but it actually seems to work. For a 5'x5' canopy, I'm now thinking of (2) 300 watt inductions and (1) 150 watt red led, for a total of 750 watts.

Speaking of LED/Induction combo, I haven't seen mention of the Sublime Illuminations lights on this forum. If you want your lights to look like an alien mothership coming down, these are the ones. There are lots of pictures, and some more info on his Facebook page too. Looks like they work pretty well to me.

Interesting design with the built in induction. Never seen those before but wouldn't mind seeing how the do

puffenuff said:

Interesting design with the built in induction. Never seen those before but wouldn't mind seeing how the do

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They can run CFL bulbs instead of induction too, or one of each, I believe. BTW, no affiliation here. I saw them mentioned in some YouTube comments while watching a video for another brand.

Well, for what I'm looking at spending on the ibeams and red panels, I could get two of those new Apache AT600 things. I bet RIU likes that. LOL I'd have to get the protective eyeglasses for sure though. Hmm?

Shwagbag said:

That's quite an investment considering the alternatives. Two 1,000 watt HID's on light movers would cover the same area for a fraction of the cost up front, and you know you're going to get grade A dank production. As cool as a large scale garden would be using LED's or even EFDL's its just not reasonable to spend that kind of cash to set it up.

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Yes, it's a lot more expensive up front for this system. The benefits over HIDs are that the induction lamps use less power (420 watts vs 1000 watts for MH), 95% of the light is in the PAR range, they run much cooler and they last much longer. The Inda-GRO lasts 100,000 hours vs about 12,000 hours for MH. So you'd go through 8 MH bulbs before the Inda-GRO would need replacing:

http://indagrow.com/gallery/album/9#3

To make my above math from a few posts back even easier, just multiply your square footage by 30 for the necessary LED watts. And by LED watts, I mean how many watts the panel pulls from the wall, which is not necessarily the number that the marketing people have put on the name of the panel. You must check the specs.

So, LED = 30 watts/sq ft.